# When did the Borg jump the shark? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 27, 2003, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-the-borg-jump-the-shark/164580 "2003-03-27T19:00:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![hazel-rah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/73ab20/32.png) [@hazel-rah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hazel-rah)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-the-borg-jump-the-shark/164580/41 "2003-03-28T10:45:35Z")
The Borg jumped the shark within seconds of their first appearance when discerning sci-fi fans realized they were basically oversexed Cybermen. Although when they decided to have the Borg jump the shark _again_, they chose the same shark-jumping strategy as the Doctor Who writers did… give the relentless totally inhuman aliens a leader we can totally relate to. Call it, I don’t know… Davros. -fh ---
**Author:** ![RobuSensei](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/919ad9/32.png) [@RobuSensei](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RobuSensei)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-the-borg-jump-the-shark/164580/42 "2003-03-28T11:14:18Z")
Err…Davros was the Dalek shark. With the Cybermen, wasn’t it…um… a fat Cyberdude with black handlebars? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-the-borg-jump-the-shark/164580/43 "2003-03-28T14:07:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Daerlyn \* > \*\*[hijack] > > May I use this as a sig? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease? 😃 > > [/hijack] \*\* The voices in my head say, “Tell her Yes, but reveal nothing else!” why are my walls bleeding again? ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-the-borg-jump-the-shark/164580/44 "2003-03-28T18:43:52Z")
I’m going to go with **Voyager** somehow managing to make the Borg their bitches week in and week out. Species 8472 didn’t help in that matter much either. The Borg Queen doesn’t bother me as I see her as nothing more than the personification of the Borg’s Hive Mind. To me, she’s not a true individual ruler but instead the Borg encapsulated in one body. This also explains why the Borg Cube in _First Contact_ had a Queen that died and why there was still one in the Delta Quadrant circa Voyager. ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-the-borg-jump-the-shark/164580/45 "2003-03-28T18:59:42Z")
I think the point at which I stopped respecting the Borg was after seeing a certain _Saturday Night Live_ skit. Now every time I see “the Borg” I hear it in my head as a bunch of Chicagoites saying, “DAAAA Borg”. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-the-borg-jump-the-shark/164580/46 "2003-03-28T19:29:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Terrifel \* > That’s like having multiple episodes where the Mugatu attacks. > [/SIZE] \*\* The guy who hired Derek Zoolander to model his “Derelicte” line? ---
**Author:** ![hazel-rah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/73ab20/32.png) [@hazel-rah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hazel-rah)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-the-borg-jump-the-shark/164580/47 "2003-03-28T19:57:01Z")
> [@](#): > > Err…Davros was the Dalek shark. With the Cybermen, wasn’t it…um… a fat Cyberdude with black handlebars? Yeah. But Davros is more like the Borg Queen than the Cyberleader. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2003, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-the-borg-jump-the-shark/164580/48 "2003-03-29T01:32:28Z")
True, there are similarities between the Borg and the Cybermen (or even the Daleks, for that matter, both being biologically-based lifeforms who chose to augment themselves with technology for various reasons), but the Cybermen never claimed a hive mind, so Cyber Leader was acceptable. But thinking of the Borg Queen as “the personification of the Collective” (as **Aesiron** put it) makes a lot more sense to me. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2003, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-the-borg-jump-the-shark/164580/49 "2003-03-29T02:18:17Z")
I was going to say just what **Aesiron** said. Besides which, **First Contact** was one of only two Star Trek movies that was actually really good, as opposed to falling somewhere on the “mediocre-to-execrable” meter. So I’m naturally opposed to labeling that as the moment the Borg got lame. That was actually the moment the Borg because, ever so briefly, really cool. C’mon, how many villains make their entrance by being assembled out of their component parts right in front of the heros? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-the-borg-jump-the-shark/164580.md?page=2)