# When Did We Get So Hateful? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 12, 2018, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-we-get-so-hateful/808664 "2018-02-12T02:13:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-we-get-so-hateful/808664/301 "2018-02-16T15:09:12Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Looks like \*\*Shodan \*\*just wants reassurance that these laws that favor his party are legitimately based, not partisan subversions of democracy itself. But he himself can’t think of even a potentially legitimate reason, so he’s asking the rest of us to do it for him. Is that about it? I guess so. It’s weird. I assumed that he’s just trying to get someone to take the bait so that he could nitpick any comment and take the argument away from the core issue down a rabbit hole. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-we-get-so-hateful/808664/302 "2018-02-16T15:53:01Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It wasn’t hypothetical and it pulled nothing out of my ass. I posted a factual cite from freaking _Snopes_ no less. What actually happened is that you pulled out of your ass the speculative hypothetical that > [@Starving Artist](#): > > […] if some of the board’s liberals were arguing against the claim that they favor socialism and then I come in with a post from Maxine Waters forthrightly in favor of it […] and I asked where you were getting that scenario from. And then you scurried around desperately trying to find an example of such a thing actually happening, and finally dug up a decade-old instance of a passing remark in a Congressional hearing where Waters mentioned the hypothetical possibility of socializing an industry as a last resort in the face of extortionate oligarchic profit-gouging. And now you’re trying to pretend that that makes Waters “forthrightly in favor of socialism”. :rolleyes: > [@Starving Artist](#): > > My point (YET AGAIN) is that one’s argument is not rendered moot simply because an official of that person’s party said or advocated something at odds with that person’s argument. What you are now claiming to be your “point” is very different from what you actually posted originally: > [@Starving Artist](#): > > I’ve long noticed on this board a tendency for my liberal brethren to point to Republican politicians as a refutation of or counterbalance to complaints made about the liberal populace at large […] > > […] when some Republican politico’s comment or position is used to broad brush mainstream conservatives […] > > It’s a specious tactic […] That’s you complaining that it’s an unfair “tactic” for people to treat the positions of Republican politicians as generally representative of the positions of the Republican “population at large”. And I repeat: If you think it’s unfair or misleading for people to assume that the political views of mainstream conservatives in general largely align with the political views of their elected Republican representatives, then it’s on you mainstream conservatives to replace those representatives with ones who do a better job of actually representing your views. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-we-get-so-hateful/808664/303 "2018-02-16T21:23:25Z")
Sorry, but there’s so much incoherence in that post I hardly know where to start. In the first place I pulled no ‘speculative hypothetical’ out of my ass or anywhere else. I merely reversed the behavior that I described coming from the board’s left in a attempt to get across to **Miller** that just because someone is elected to public office it doesn’t mean their words and beliefs are in complete lockstep with those of their constituency. Waters made a perfect example. Further, I’m proudly and 100% scurry free, as I had already recalled when Waters let the cat out of the bag and subsequently sought out substantiation from a suitably left-wing prone site, _Snopes_, before I ever brought her up just so there’d be no denying what she said. Of course I obviously failed to count on your argument that she said it ten years ago so never mind. And now you accuse me of ‘pretending’ that Waters’ comments make her forthrightly in favor of socialism. Well, duh! _Of course_ it makes her forthrightly in favor of socialism. She said in so many words that “…this ‘liberal’ is about socialise…uh, uh…silent pause…the government taking over, and running your companies”. How can you post this stuff with a straight face? And now I’m done. I’ve wasted far too much time trying to engage you in good faith while you refuse to acknowledge facts that are right there in front of your face and perform endless verbal gymnastics in an attempt to avoid or deflect from the obvious. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-we-get-so-hateful/808664/304 "2018-02-18T00:58:13Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Sorry, but there’s so much incoherence in that post I hardly know where to start. In the first place I pulled no ‘speculative hypothetical’ out of my ass or anywhere else. I merely reversed the behavior that I described coming from the board’s left in a attempt to get across to **Miller** that just because someone is elected to public office it doesn’t mean their words and beliefs are in complete lockstep with those of their constituency. Waters made a perfect example. > > Further, I’m proudly and 100% scurry free, as I had already recalled when Waters let the cat out of the bag and subsequently sought out substantiation from a suitably left-wing prone site, _Snopes_, before I ever brought her up just so there’d be no denying what she said. Of course I obviously failed to count on your argument that she said it ten years ago so never mind. > > And now you accuse me of ‘pretending’ that Waters’ comments make her forthrightly in favor of socialism. Well, duh! _Of course_ it makes her forthrightly in favor of socialism. She said in so many words that “…this ‘liberal’ is about socialise…uh, uh…silent pause…the government taking over, and running your companies”. > > How can you post this stuff with a straight face? > > And now I’m done. I’ve wasted far too much time trying to engage you in good faith while you refuse to acknowledge facts that are right there in front of your face and perform endless verbal gymnastics in an attempt to avoid or deflect from the obvious. Good thing that Waters’ opinions about what I think actually means are just her opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Stonebow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Stonebow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stonebow)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-we-get-so-hateful/808664/305 "2018-02-19T19:25:02Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Nonsense. Chivalry as practiced in modern times was a way of showing respect toward women and caring for them if appropriate (I’m thinking of walking a female co-worker to her car after dark as an example of the latter). And I can tell you without reservation that it isn’t dead when I’m around. Surprisingly, it seems today’s young women are unaware that it was feminists of generations past who killed it. More than once a young woman who’s been the recipient of chivalry on my part has lamented the fact it’s so rare these days and questioned why this is so. They’re usually sorry to hear it when I point out that it was feminists of the past who are responsible and make gestures as if to say ‘how silly’ or ‘how unfortunate’. > > Manners, including chivalry, were not designed by the rich to make poor people feel bad (as I’ve heard claimed on this board and you seem to think). Manners, courtesy and chivalry are a way of greasing society’s wheels and making life more pleasant and enjoyable for everyone involved. Go hang out sometime where wealthy people and those who aren’t so wealthy congregate and you’ll see wealthy people performing acts of politeness and manners and even chivalry all the time. I’ll guarantee you the aforementioned president of Shell Oil would be as quick to hold the door for a secretary or office worker he’s never seen before as he would for a woman equally as wealthy as he. Rich people (et least of the old money kind with nothing to prove) are often the most charming, likable and chivalrous (when the occasion calls for it) people you’ll see anywhere, and It’s regrettable that people around here seem to have so little experience with them. I respectfully disagree. A few points: 1. Chivalry, as a construct, is all about ‘appropriate roles’ for the ruling and aspirational class. It was not extended to the servants. in what is now a great equalizing of society, people are having a hard time extending those same manners as you call them, to people they consider below them. As a black woman sometime how well she feels served by chivalry. 2. I don’t blame your female peers for wanting a return to the ‘good old days’ because they don’t see the trade-off women of previous generations had to make. 3. I appreciate your distinction of ‘old money’ manners, and tend to agree. It should be noted that we have new money in the White House. 4. I’ve had to listen to entirely too many white males tell me they are sick of ‘identity politics’ and that we need to stick to ‘real issues.’ There’s a disconnect there. If your issue is with these new entrants into the political world not having manners, then step 1 considering your casual dismissal of what are life and death issues for them might make them a bit testy. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-we-get-so-hateful/808664/306 "2018-02-19T20:05:06Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Good thing that Waters’ opinions about what I think actually means are just her opinions. That was pretty much my entire point. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-we-get-so-hateful/808664/307 "2018-02-19T20:13:31Z")
> [@Stonebow](#): > > I respectfully disagree. A few points: > > 1. Chivalry, as a construct, is all about ‘appropriate roles’ for the ruling and aspirational class. It was not extended to the servants. in what is now a great equalizing of society, people are having a hard time extending those same manners as you call them, to people they consider below them. As a black woman sometime how well she feels served by chivalry. > > 2. I don’t blame your female peers for wanting a return to the ‘good old days’ because they don’t see the trade-off women of previous generations had to make. Well, all I can say there is that my Facebook account is full of women my age who detest what life in this country has become. I haven’t sought them out either, some are family while others are friends I’ve known since those days or friends I’ve picked up from other friends. I never in my life heard a women even gripe about her role in society prior to when the baby boom crowd hit college late in the counterculture revolution where they got radicalized by their professors and feminist literature. > [@Stonebow](#): > > 1. I appreciate your distinction of ‘old money’ manners, and tend to agree. It should be noted that we have new money in the White House. Agreed. > [@Stonebow](#): > > 1. I’ve had to listen to entirely too many white males tell me they are sick of ‘identity politics’ and that we need to stick to ‘real issues.’ There’s a disconnect there. If your issue is with these new entrants into the political world not having manners, then step 1 considering your casual dismissal of what are life and death issues for them might make them a bit testy. My issue is with many of the societal changes (and/or the way they were or have been brought about) since the mid-sixties. Even the things I’m in favor of, such as women’s rights and an end to racism have been pursued in ways I find harmful and often ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-we-get-so-hateful/808664/308 "2018-02-19T21:05:04Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Nonsense. Chivalry as practiced in modern times was a way of showing respect toward women and caring for them if appropriate (I’m thinking of walking a female co-worker to her car after dark as an example of the latter). And I can tell you without reservation that it isn’t dead when I’m around. Surprisingly, it seems today’s young women are unaware that it was feminists of generations past who killed it. More than once a young woman who’s been the recipient of chivalry on my part has lamented the fact it’s so rare these days and questioned why this is so. They’re usually sorry to hear it when I point out that it was feminists of the past who are responsible and make gestures as if to say ‘how silly’ or ‘how unfortunate’. > > Manners, including chivalry, were not designed by the rich to make poor people feel bad (as I’ve heard claimed on this board and you seem to think). Manners, courtesy and chivalry are a way of greasing society’s wheels and making life more pleasant and enjoyable for everyone involved. Go hang out sometime where wealthy people and those who aren’t so wealthy congregate and you’ll see wealthy people performing acts of politeness and manners and even chivalry all the time. I’ll guarantee you the aforementioned president of Shell Oil would be as quick to hold the door for a secretary or office worker he’s never seen before as he would for a woman equally as wealthy as he. Rich people (et least of the old money kind with nothing to prove) are often the most charming, likable and chivalrous (when the occasion calls for it) people you’ll see anywhere, and It’s regrettable that people around here seem to have so little experience with them. My fellow counterculture hippies and I have very good manners. The men respect women and are protective of them, without being overreaching or patronizing. When I was young and we would go to late night counterculture hippie parties as a group, the guys would make sure every woman was escorted home, all the way her door. And since we all used mass transit, somrimes these guys were going an hour or more out their way, and spending extra fare money. My friends and I are moral and decent people. We just don’t like uncomfortable restrictive clothing ( and attitudes) But we can’t compare to your Trump, the man that’s going to restore decency and manners to America. When Donald Trump insulted Carly Fiorina after one of his first debates I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous ! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! A few weeks later, when he alleviated the nations concern of the size and strength of his penis, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! A few weeks after that, when he enlightened the nation about how disgusting it was that Hillary Clinton went to the bathroom, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children! When I learned Trump had dodged military service by claiming to have “bone spurs”, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! When he , in reference to Senator John McCain’s war service and time spent as a POW, said “ I like people that weren’t captured”, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! When during his presidential debate, he tried to put his opponents’ husbands’ mistresses in the front row I thought I thought, “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! When he was caught on tape educating the world about how if you worked hard and became rich and famous, women would let you grab their pussies without permission, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! When Trump tweeted about his former friend Mika Brzezinski’s facelift, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! When, after trying to blackmail Mika and her fiancé by offering to suppress a National Enquirer hit piece, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! When the piece ran the same week Mika’s father died, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! When he made a blanket statement calling every woman that had ever accused him of anything a liar, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! When he insulted the widow of a fallen soldier on Twitter, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! When he defended the wife beater on his staff by calling his ex-wives liars, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women was important. What a fine role model for our children ! I can’t post the last paragraph I wrote, because it would be a lapse of decency and good manners. Besides, I remembered I’m not in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-we-get-so-hateful/808664/309 "2018-02-19T21:24:59Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > My fellow counterculture hippies and I have very good manners. The men respect women and are protective of them, without being overreaching or patronizing. When I was young and we would go to late night counterculture hippie parties as a group, the guys would make sure every woman was escorted home, all the way her door. And since we all used mass transit, somrimes these guys were going an hour or more out their way, and spending extra fare money. My friends and I are moral and decent people. We just don’t like uncomfortable restrictive clothing ( and attitudes) > > But we can’t compare to your Trump, the man that’s going to restore decency and manners to America. > > When Donald Trump insulted Carly Fiorina after one of his first debates I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous ! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > A few weeks later, when he alleviated the nations concern of the size and strength of his penis, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > A few weeks after that, when he enlightened the nation about how disgusting it was that Hillary Clinton went to the bathroom, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children! > > When I learned Trump had dodged military service by claiming to have “bone spurs”, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > When he , in reference to Senator John McCain’s war service and time spent as a POW, said “ I like people that weren’t captured”, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > When during his presidential debate, he tried to put his opponents’ husbands’ mistresses in the front row I thought I thought, > “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > When he was caught on tape educating the world about how if you worked hard and became rich and famous, women would let you grab their pussies without permission, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > When Trump tweeted about his former friend Mika Brzezinski’s facelift, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > When, after trying to blackmail Mika and her fiancé by offering to suppress a National Enquirer hit piece, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > When the piece ran the same week Mika’s father died, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > When he made a blanket statement calling every woman that had ever accused him of anything a liar, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > When he insulted the widow of a fallen soldier on Twitter, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > When he defended the wife beater on his staff by calling his ex-wives liars, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women was important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > I can’t post the last paragraph I wrote, because it would be a lapse of decency and good manners. Besides, I remembered I’m not in the Pit. If it were allowed, I would deed my name to you-I am not worthy. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-we-get-so-hateful/808664/310 "2018-02-19T21:33:43Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > My fellow counterculture hippies and I have very good manners. The men respect women and are protective of them, without being overreaching or patronizing. When I was young and we would go to late night counterculture hippie parties as a group, the guys would make sure every woman was escorted home, all the way her door. And since we all used mass transit, somrimes these guys were going an hour or more out their way, and spending extra fare money. My friends and I are moral and decent people. We just don’t like uncomfortable restrictive clothing ( and attitudes) > > But we can’t compare to your Trump, the man that’s going to restore decency and manners to America. > > When Donald Trump insulted Carly Fiorina after one of his first debates I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous ! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > A few weeks later, when he alleviated the nations concern of the size and strength of his penis, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > A few weeks after that, when he enlightened the nation about how disgusting it was that Hillary Clinton went to the bathroom, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children! > > When I learned Trump had dodged military service by claiming to have “bone spurs”, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > When he , in reference to Senator John McCain’s war service and time spent as a POW, said “ I like people that weren’t captured”, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > When during his presidential debate, he tried to put his opponents’ husbands’ mistresses in the front row I thought I thought, > “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > When he was caught on tape educating the world about how if you worked hard and became rich and famous, women would let you grab their pussies without permission, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > When Trump tweeted about his former friend Mika Brzezinski’s facelift, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > When, after trying to blackmail Mika and her fiancé by offering to suppress a National Enquirer hit piece, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > When the piece ran the same week Mika’s father died, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > When he made a blanket statement calling every woman that had ever accused him of anything a liar, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > When he insulted the widow of a fallen soldier on Twitter, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women were important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > When he defended the wife beater on his staff by calling his ex-wives liars, I thought “ How decent ! How chivalrous! This man can certainly return us to a time when good manners and respect for women was important. What a fine role model for our children ! > > I can’t post the last paragraph I wrote, because it would be a lapse of decency and good manners. Besides, I remembered I’m not in the Pit. I’ve been talking about changes in society-wide attitudes and behaviors over a fifty year span. You are talking about one guy who’s been in office for 14 months. One of these things is not like the other. Further reply not warranted. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-we-get-so-hateful/808664/311 "2018-02-19T21:35:51Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Well, all I can say there is that my Facebook account is full of women my age who detest what life in this country has become. For them, personally, or the almost satirized farce shown by Fox News? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-we-get-so-hateful/808664/312 "2018-02-19T21:39:33Z")
From them personally, and based on what they see, hear and experience every. fucking. day. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-we-get-so-hateful/808664/313 "2018-02-19T21:43:59Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > From them personally, and based on what they see, hear and experience every. fucking. day. And there’s nothing more democratic and representative of the country as a whole than someone’s handpicked Facebook page, right? ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-we-get-so-hateful/808664/314 "2018-02-19T21:49:26Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And there’s nothing more democratic and representative of the country as a whole than someone’s handpicked Facebook page, right? So what are your sources? Why should your view be accepted as more accurate than **SA’s** or that of his friends? Or mine? Or anybody’s? What gives you such particularly penetrating insight? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-we-get-so-hateful/808664/315 "2018-02-19T21:51:50Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > So what are your sources? Why should your view be accepted as more accurate than **SA’s** or that of his friends? Or mine? Or anybody’s? What gives you such particularly penetrating insight? I have never used “Almost everybody on my Facebook page agrees with me” as a cite? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-we-get-so-hateful/808664/316 "2018-02-19T21:52:08Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And there’s nothing more democratic and representative of the country as a whole than someone’s handpicked Facebook page, right? For the most part they are women of my approximate age who grew up in the same era I did and who share the same disdain as I do for how fucked up this country has become. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-we-get-so-hateful/808664/317 "2018-02-19T21:53:29Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I have never used “Almost everybody on my Facebook page agrees with me” as a cite? It wasn’t a cite, it was an observation. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-we-get-so-hateful/808664/318 "2018-02-19T21:54:43Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I have never used “Almost everybody on my Facebook page agrees with me” as a cite? So you rely on what, instead? Bloggers? Huffpo? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-we-get-so-hateful/808664/319 "2018-02-19T21:56:02Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It wasn’t a cite, it was an observation. As an observation then, I can think of no better a response than “Well, _duh_!” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-we-get-so-hateful/808664/320 "2018-02-19T22:01:50Z")
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