# When did you stop beating your wife? Challenging loaded questions in FQ **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [December 29, 2022, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife-challenging-loaded-questions-in-fq/977291 "2022-12-29T17:22:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife-challenging-loaded-questions-in-fq/977291/21 "2022-12-29T21:34:15Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …the premise, as presented in the OP, is that it’s a “parenting strategy” designed so that “if they learn about consent and bodily autonomy early, they will be more likely to maintain those boundaries later and so will be less likely to be sexually manipulated or abused.” > > But is it though? > > I don’t think it is. If you don’t think there is a single person out there who has adopted this “parenting strategy” designed so that “if they learn about consent and bodily autonomy early, they will be more likely to maintain those boundaries later and so will be less likely to be sexually manipulated or abused,” then you don’t have the factual answer the OP has requested. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife-challenging-loaded-questions-in-fq/977291/22 "2022-12-29T21:44:00Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > you don’t have the factual answer the OP has requested Perhaps a _reductio ad absurdum_ might help? > OP: What scientific studies and empirical evidence are there to support the trendy notion that I’ve heard recently that I should not eat babies? Because all that stuff about peanuts didn’t have any solid science behind it and that turned out to be stupid and wrong. > > Response: Well, there probably aren’t any studies, because what would you study that would be relevant? The belief that we shouldn’t eat babies doesn’t derive from empirical evidence that they give you indigestion, it derives from an ethical belief in their right to life. > > Moderator/Ruken: This is FQ. If you don’t have the factual information that OP has asked for, please refrain from off-topic comments and opinions, if you wish you may start your own thread. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife-challenging-loaded-questions-in-fq/977291/23 "2022-12-29T21:46:42Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Perhaps a _reductio ad absurdum_ might help? Studies on prion diseases might be appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife-challenging-loaded-questions-in-fq/977291/24 "2022-12-29T21:48:37Z")
That’s why you should pay a little extra for organic cage-free babies. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife-challenging-loaded-questions-in-fq/977291/25 "2022-12-29T21:55:51Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > If you don’t think there is a single person out there who has adopted this “parenting strategy” designed so that “if they learn about consent and bodily autonomy early, they will be more likely to maintain those boundaries later and so will be less likely to be sexually manipulated or abused,” then you don’t have the factual answer the OP has requested. …a single person isn’t statistically significant enough for anybody to conduct scientific research. And thats kinda key to the whole discussion. How many parents do believe this? Who is advocating for this? > [@](#): > > The basic hallmark is to **trust children to draw their own boundaries on their physical bodies**. If they don’t want to be hugged or touched, they are allowed to say no. This teaches children that they can be their own person, invites them to actually consider what they do want and need, and increases self-esteem and autonomy. It will also make it easier for them to understand that others have the same right to make decisions about their own bodies—thus learning to accept a no from other people. Helping kids navigate the hug and touch landscape is the start of a lifelong process. These tools translate directly into an adolescent and young adult’s capacity to engage in sexual and romantic relationships clearly, ethically, authentically, and safely. [To Hug or Not to Hug: Teaching Kids About Consent | Magination Press Family](https://www.maginationpressfamily.org/stress-anxiety-in-kids/to-hug-or-not-to-hug-teaching-kids-about-consent/#:~:text=If%20they%20don't%20want,increases%20self%2Desteem%20and%20autonomy). > [@](#): > > Consent lets us express positive feelings for others in ways that feel good for us and good for them, which is the whole point of hugs, kisses, snuggles and, someday, sex. Starting these lessons early will help kids define boundaries and express themselves in their relationships now and for the rest of their lives. > **[Teaching consent: Why you shouldn’t force your kids to hug relatives -...](https://www.todaysparent.com/family/parenting/why-you-shouldnt-force-your-kids-to-hug-relatives/)** > > Forcing your child to hug an aunt or uncle might seem like an education in kindness, but you’re actually teaching them a dangerous lesson about consent. > [@](#): > > ## Here are 8 reasons why we must support children who say no to a cuddle or kiss: > > ### #1: It teaches consent > > … > > ### #2: He doesn’t want one > > … > > ### #3: He should have control over his own body > > … > > ### #4: It goes against what we believe > > … > > ### #5: Forced physical contact sends a weird message > > … > > ### #6: Lack of attachment > > … > > ### #7: There might be a good reason > > … > > ### #8: Grandma can take it > **[Hugs And Kisses | Must Support Children Who Refuse To](https://www.bellybelly.com.au/parenting/children-refuse-hugs-and-kisses/)** > > Children are small and dependent, and as a result, we tend to have most things for them. As adults and The first three websites I visited on Google, NONE of them mentioned it was to prevent later sexually manipulation or abuse. I’m sure if I dug a bit deeper, some would pop up. The OP is based on, essentially, a strawman. It presented a premise that they asserted to be true, then challenged the board to provide evidence to support the premise they essentially just made up. We should either be allowed to challenge the premise in that thread, or the thread should be moved to a more appropriate forum so the premise can be debated. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife-challenging-loaded-questions-in-fq/977291/26 "2022-12-29T22:02:23Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > That’s why you should pay a little extra for organic cage-free babies. One of the issues I’ve heard with horse meat is that horses are often given medication that is unsuitable for animals intended for human consumption. Jonathan Swift did not consider this. But I see a distinction between: Are there studies on X? We should all X and here’s why. Government policy on X What do you think about X? / Should we X? I read this article about X People who X are poopheads where if placed in the appropriate category/topic or whatever we’re calling the bins these days, I’d prefer the responses _in that thread_ be tailored to FQ/GD/etc. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife-challenging-loaded-questions-in-fq/977291/27 "2022-12-29T22:17:14Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > The first three websites I visited on Google, NONE of them mentioned it was to prevent later sexually manipulation or abuse. I’m sure if I dug a bit deeper, some would pop up. Whereas the [2nd link](https://www.cbc.ca/parents/learning/view/why-i-ask-my-5-year-old-son-for-permission-before-hugging-him) in my search returns: > According to the [Canadian Centre for Child Protection](https://protectchildren.ca/en/), one in 10 children will be victims of sexual abuse before the age of 18. As a parent, that statistic is terrifying — especially as you’re about to send your baby out “into the world” for the first time. But rather than become consumed by fear, my husband and I focused on safety and education. > We have always talked to my son about the parts of his body using proper names, and reinforced the message that when it comes to his body, he is the boss. My son understands that if he needs help cleaning himself in the tub, we will ask before washing him. And he knows that his doctor may need to examine parts of his body during checkups, but likewise, she will ask him first. We let him know that he doesn’t have to give hugs and kisses to people if he doesn’t want to, and that includes mum and dad. We’ve also discussed the importance of privacy, and the idea that certain parts of his body shouldn’t be seen or touched by other people. There is no awkward sit-down or big Power Point presentation here. The focus is on guidance, and getting the message across in a way that isn’t scary. It then goes on to discuss other reasons, e.g. respecting _others’_ bodies. Obviously important IMO but not what the OP asked about. And also possibly not the subject of any studies. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > The OP is based on, essentially, a strawman. It presented a premise that they asserted to be true, then challenged the board to provide evidence to support the premise they essentially just made up. Or, the OP is based on a topic you are not knowledgeable about and nobody is forcing you to participate. That’s why I don’t respond to the vast majority of FQ threads. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife-challenging-loaded-questions-in-fq/977291/28 "2022-12-29T22:34:06Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > Whereas the [2nd link](https://www.cbc.ca/parents/learning/view/why-i-ask-my-5-year-old-son-for-permission-before-hugging-him) in my search returns: …yeah, but that really doesn’t back up the OP’s premise. Its an anecdote on why a mum was motivated to do something, later in the post she says: > [@the article](#): > > To me, this is one of the most important lessons that my son is learning about navigating relationships with the people around him. Not only is he learning to respect other people now, but he’s also learning to become the respectful adult that I hope he will one day be. So what she wanted to accomplish was to teach her son how to navigate relationships, to respect other people, and to become a respectful adult. Which is pretty much what the other cites I provided _also_ said. I’m pretty comfortable now that the entire premise that the original thread is based on is nonsense. Thanks for providing additional evidence. > [@Ruken](#): > > Or, the OP is based on a topic you are not knowledgeable about and nobody is forcing you to participate. Well, I didn’t participate in that thread, so thanks for informing me that nobody is forcing me to participate, but I already know that, thanks. And the assertion that the OP is based on a “topic that I’m not knowledgeable about” is incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife-challenging-loaded-questions-in-fq/977291/29 "2022-12-29T23:56:01Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …yeah, but that really doesn’t back up the OP’s premise. Its an anecdote on why a mum was motivated to do something And thus is confirmed to be a parenting strategy to reduce abuse of the child. The existence of other motivations doesn’t negate this. Other motivations being more important to many or even all parents doesn’t negate this. The strategy exists; anyone who doesn’t already know that from casual news exposure and who inexplicably can’t confirm it in 30 seconds\* would be threadshitting by arguing otherwise in that thread. \*Punching > protect kids from abuse consent hugging into Google provides ample results. That doesn’t mean there are studies. What few papers I found adjacent to the request mentioned little research outside a few specific areas, like adults in medical setting. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife-challenging-loaded-questions-in-fq/977291/30 "2022-12-30T00:40:09Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > And thus is confirmed to be a parenting strategy to reduce abuse of the child. …I haven’t argued that in some instances it may well be a parenting strategy to reduce abuse of the child. Of course that happens. But it’s a _holistic_ strategy. As in the primary goal is to make their kids better people. It really isn’t anything more than that. > [@Ruken](#): > > The existence of other motivations doesn’t negate this. Except they aren’t just “other motivations.” They **are** the motivations. > [@Ruken](#): > > The strategy exists; anyone who doesn’t already know that from casual news exposure and who inexplicably can’t confirm it in 30 seconds\* would be threadshitting by arguing otherwise in that thread. “Casual news exposure” is exactly the reason why the premise of the OP should be allowed to be challenged. Because “casual news exposure” often leads to bullshit ideas. > [@Ruken](#): > > into Google provides ample results. It presents **extremely targeted results** that, in the case of this search, presented many websites or stories that either were focused on sexual abuse in general and presented “make hugging consensual” as one of many different things you could do, or news articles that started with a narrative and then found people that agreed with the premise and quoted them. The problem with overly targeted searches is that you end up largely with “casual news exposure”. That isn’t a good thing. > [@Ruken](#): > > That doesn’t mean there are studies. What few papers I found adjacent to the request mentioned little research outside a few specific areas, like adults in medical setting. **After** all of the moderation in the original thread, after everything was edited and the thread put back on track by the moderators, the OP posted this: > [@Any evidence that teaching kids about healthy boundaries and consent to physical contact reduces abuse?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-evidence-that-teaching-kids-about-healthy-boundaries-and-consent-to-physical-contact-reduces-abuse/977225/25): > > What questions should I be asking? I asked a very open-ended question. What are the goals of people using this parenting strategy and is this strategy accomplishing those goals? I want to know if this strategy works or if it’s just something people are doing because something must be done about rape culture and sexual abuse and this is something so this must be done. There are lots of examples of people adopting well-meaning child rearing strategies that don’t work, often bolstered by “experts” with no evidence. Parents delayed giving their kids peanuts, taught them that abstinence was the best protection, and that kids should just say no to drugs. None of these strategies work. Is this particular child rearing strategy having any positive effects? Enlighten me if there is some question I should ask that I’m not asking. Then show me the citations that answer those questions. I don’t know about this strategy and I’d like to. This gives the game away. The OP is _insistent_ they are just asking questions. _Insistent_ that this question is important. _Insistent_ that no nuance is required. They just _had_ to share that with everyone. > [@Rational Wiki](#): > > The purpose of this argument method is to influence spectators’ views by asking [leading questions](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Leading_question), regardless of the answers given. The term is derived from the questioner’s frequent claim that they are “just asking questions,” albeit in a manner much the same as political [push polls](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Push_poll). Additionally, this tactic is a way for a crank to escape the [burden of proof](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof) behind extraordinary claims. > **[Just asking questions](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions)** > > Just asking questions (also known as JAQing off, or as emojis: "🤔🤔🤔"\[1\]) is a way of attempting to make wild accusations acceptable (and hopefully not legally actionable) by framing them as questions rather than statements. It shifts the burden of... The demand for “enlightenment” here, IMHO, is disingenuous. If this really is the case: > [@Any evidence that teaching kids about healthy boundaries and consent to physical contact reduces abuse?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-evidence-that-teaching-kids-about-healthy-boundaries-and-consent-to-physical-contact-reduces-abuse/977225/25): > > I don’t know about this strategy and I’d like to. then the OP would be open to the responses that they received in that thread that didn’t narrowly answer the _exact_ question posed in the OP, but gave more context and enlightenment on the strategy. But its clear they don’t want to do that. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife-challenging-loaded-questions-in-fq/977291/31 "2022-12-30T01:04:16Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Because “casual news exposure” often leads to bullshit ideas. And asking if there is published science behind an idea, bullshit or not, deserves factual answers in FQ. Or none if there are none. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife-challenging-loaded-questions-in-fq/977291/32 "2022-12-30T01:07:28Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > And asking if there is published science behind an idea, bullshit or not, deserves factual answers in FQ. Or none if there are none. …the OP said “I asked a very open-ended question. What are the goals of people using this parenting strategy and is this strategy accomplishing those goals?” Answering that question doesn’t require “published science.” Not when the apparent purpose of the thread was: > [@Any evidence that teaching kids about healthy boundaries and consent to physical contact reduces abuse?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-evidence-that-teaching-kids-about-healthy-boundaries-and-consent-to-physical-contact-reduces-abuse/977225/25): > > I don’t know about this strategy and I’d like to. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife-challenging-loaded-questions-in-fq/977291/33 "2022-12-30T01:14:00Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > And asking if there is published science behind an idea, bullshit or not, deserves factual answers in FQ. I bet you love the trope in courtroom dramas where the lawyer asks a “factual question” designed to mislead the jury without adequate context and insists that the witness only be allowed to answer yes or no. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife-challenging-loaded-questions-in-fq/977291/34 "2022-12-30T12:27:41Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …the OP said The original _post_ did not. The post_er_ returned later, after all the moderation, and opened things up, as sometimes happens when the original post, as written, results in unsatisfactory responses. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife-challenging-loaded-questions-in-fq/977291/35 "2022-12-30T12:37:23Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > I bet you love the trope in courtroom dramas where the lawyer asks a “factual question” designed to mislead the jury without adequate context and insists that the witness only be allowed to answer yes or no. Nobody was misled in the FQ thread in question. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife-challenging-loaded-questions-in-fq/977291/36 "2022-12-30T12:54:59Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > The original _post_ did not. The post_er_ returned later, after all the moderation, and opened things up, as sometimes happens when the original post, as written, results in unsatisfactory responses. …the OP as in “original poster”, not “original post.” ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife-challenging-loaded-questions-in-fq/977291/37 "2022-12-30T14:42:07Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > Nobody was misled in the FQ thread in question. No, because I and others _challenged_ the loaded assumptions in the OP. That’s the entire point. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife-challenging-loaded-questions-in-fq/977291/38 "2022-12-30T15:45:26Z")
> [@Tired\_and\_Cranky](#): > > You are reading too much into the question. I don’t have an agenda or an axe to grind about this parenting strategy. I’d like to learn whether it works. My reasons for wanting to know are my own. > > [. . .] > > It’s interesting that you think I have a premise. I don’t. It seems to me that you do, though. The premise that it seems to me that you’re assuming is that the sole purpose of this strategy is to prevent child sexual abuse. And I agree with others here that this isn’t the sole, or even the main, purpose of the strategy; though there may be some using it who do think of it that way. What it seems to me is the main purpose of the strategy is to teach that everyone is deserving of respect: including the child, but also including everybody else. If the children were being taught that while they don’t have to hug anybody they don’t want to they’re entitled to hug anyone else even if that person doesn’t want, then of course that wouldn’t be so. But as I understand it this isn’t what’s being taught – what’s being taught is that both/all partners to the hug should be willing. This isn’t entirely or even primarily about sex; nobody’s saying a child shouldn’t have to hug Grandma only if Grandma is a sexual predator. It’s about teaching respect in general. Moderators, could I say that in the thread in question, and go on from there to what sort of study would have to be designed, and also why any study showing only the effect on sexual predation would be insufficient to answer the question of whether “this strategy works”? > [@Ruken](#): > > And thus is confirmed to be a parenting strategy to reduce abuse of the child. The existence of other motivations doesn’t negate this. Other motivations being more important to many or even all parents doesn’t negate this. But what is negated is any assumption that, if the strategy doesn’t work to prevent childhood sexual abuse, it therefore doesn’t work at all and shouldn’t be used. > [@Any evidence that teaching kids about healthy boundaries and consent to physical contact reduces abuse?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-evidence-that-teaching-kids-about-healthy-boundaries-and-consent-to-physical-contact-reduces-abuse/977225/25): > > What are the goals of people using this parenting strategy and is this strategy accomplishing those goals? If you’re asking what the goals are, isn’t it appropriate for people to answer that the goals are much wider than only preventing childhood sexual abuse, and that therefore studies considering those wider goals would be needed before the strategy could be declared not to be working? And as a wider question: moderators, is it acceptable in FQ to respond that a question cannot be given a factual answer in the form in which it’s been asked, because any such answer would be seriously misleading? ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife-challenging-loaded-questions-in-fq/977291/39 "2022-12-30T15:48:05Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > But what is negated is any assumption that, if the strategy doesn’t work to prevent childhood sexual abuse, it therefore doesn’t work at all and shouldn’t be used. It’s an FQ thread; there was no “should” until the IMHO crowd showed up and was appropriately shut down. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife-challenging-loaded-questions-in-fq/977291/40 "2022-12-30T15:53:20Z")
There obviously was. The OP was loaded with the assumption that parenting strategies in general _should_ only be based on empirical evidence; and specifically that teaching bodily autonomy and consent _should_ be justified by empirical studies of abuse outcomes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife-challenging-loaded-questions-in-fq/977291.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife-challenging-loaded-questions-in-fq/977291.md?page=3)