# When do we stop wallowing in 9/11? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 7, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-do-we-stop-wallowing-in-9-11/595523 "2011-09-07T18:07:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-do-we-stop-wallowing-in-9-11/595523/21 "2011-09-07T19:06:45Z")
To me this is like the people who want to down play the Holocaust and complain that we are all still ‘wallowing’ in it after all these years, and why can’t we all just get over it?? :rolleyes: We’ll most likely stop ‘wallowing’ in 9/11 when people who are constantly trying to downplay what happened succeed in convincing a large enough segment of the population that there is nothing to see here, move along. I hope that doesn’t happen any time soon. (Sheesh…THIS is what you want to pit? You couldn’t have pitted the fucking 9/11 Truthers??) -XT ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-do-we-stop-wallowing-in-9-11/595523/22 "2011-09-07T19:08:46Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > To me this is like the people who want to down play the Holocaust and complain that we are all still ‘wallowing’ in it after all these years, and why can’t we all just get over it?? :rolleyes: > > We’ll most likely stop ‘wallowing’ in 9/11 when people who are constantly trying to downplay what happened succeed in convincing a large enough segment of the population that there is nothing to see here, move along. I hope that doesn’t happen any time soon. > > (Sheesh…THIS is what you want to pit? You couldn’t have pitted the fucking 9/11 Truthers??) > > -XT Wow, seriously? You are really showing your ass here. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-do-we-stop-wallowing-in-9-11/595523/23 "2011-09-07T19:09:52Z")
Well, it’s such a cute ass, or so I’ve been told at least. And yeah…seriously. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-do-we-stop-wallowing-in-9-11/595523/24 "2011-09-07T19:09:58Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Saying “turn it off” is too glib of an answer. It’s so pervasive and ubiquitous that it takes a Herculean effort to shut it out. > > It’s also a perfectly fair commentary on our culture at large to observe that we have spent way to much time looking up our own asses about this event. Yes. I mean, I don’t watch television news. At all. I don’t read the newspapers. I get all of my news from the Internet, and I specifically go after the news I want. And I still get bombarded with 9/11 rememberances all over the place. It is hard to ignore. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-do-we-stop-wallowing-in-9-11/595523/25 "2011-09-07T19:14:04Z")
It’s not like the holocaust. It’s not even close to the holocaust. This was a single criminal act by a fringe group of fanatics. The Holocaust was a concerted attempt by an entire industrial nation to eradicate an entire people. It was the culmination of a centuries long social and religious pathology with far more profound implications and incomprehensibly destructive effects. 9/11 was a few nutcases who got lucky. Comparing it to the Holocaust is ridiculous, self-important wankery. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-do-we-stop-wallowing-in-9-11/595523/26 "2011-09-07T19:15:52Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > And yeah…seriously. All right then. First, just bringing up the Holocaust at all is hysterical Godwinizing. Second, in terms of scale and depravity, 9/11 ain’t shit compared to the Holocaust. Third, even if we do accept the comparison to the Holocaust, I consider it pretty monstrous to _keep bringing it up every fucking year_. Fourth, your stupid-ass post is exactly indicative of the reason we can’t fucking let it go maturely; we Americans in general _love_ to make martyrs of ourselves and self-flagellate with the whip of oppressed nationalism. I mean, you’re going to fucking seriously compare 9/11 to the Holocaust? God, that’s pathetic. The shitbag who orchestrated it has paid his dues. Let it go. Open a museum. Shoot a movie. Don’t keep bringing it up every single fuck year. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-do-we-stop-wallowing-in-9-11/595523/27 "2011-09-07T19:16:09Z")
_sigh_ I didn’t say it was like the Holocaust. I said it’s like the folks who SAY that we should all get over the Holocaust. Please…read for comprehension DtC. ETA…and you too Bosstone. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-do-we-stop-wallowing-in-9-11/595523/28 "2011-09-07T19:16:15Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Well, it’s such a cute ass, or so I’ve been told at least. And yeah…seriously. > [@lieu](#): > > Well, apparently the TSA seems to think there might be 4 oz. of shampoo up there. It doesnt count if the compliment was made by TSA personel. They tell you that so that you’ll “ease up” (“ease up or grease up” is their motto). ---
**Author:** ![anya\_marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anya\_marie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anya_marie)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-do-we-stop-wallowing-in-9-11/595523/29 "2011-09-07T19:17:25Z")
For the tenth anniversary of Pearl Harbor, we didn’t have several 24/7 news channels to tell us how we should feel about it. I’ve got 9/11 fatigue because i feel it is mentioned entirely too often on the news. I might feel differently if i had lost a relative but I haven’t … Right now what I feel like is every so often I get hit upside my head with 9/11. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-do-we-stop-wallowing-in-9-11/595523/30 "2011-09-07T19:18:02Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > It does make you wonder, though - to what extent did the media, politicians, etc. talk up the 10th anniversary of the Pearl Harbor attacks in 1951? They didn’t, really. The war was over, we had won, Japan was our ally now. I think part of the reason we’re still dwelling on 9/11 is because, bin Laden’s death aside, we haven’t had any closure. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are still going on. We still have all this enhanced security at airports and fear of terror attacks. As recently as a year ago, we were still arguing what to do about the prisoners at Gitmo. It just doesn’t feel like any of this is over yet, and until it is over, 9/11 is still going to be on people’s minds. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-do-we-stop-wallowing-in-9-11/595523/31 "2011-09-07T19:18:32Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > _sigh_ I didn’t say it was like the Holocaust. I said it’s like the folks who SAY that we should all get over the Holocaust. Please…read for comprehension DtC. ETA…and you too Bosstone. And in doing so you drew a similarity between the two events. No, you’re not getting out of it. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-do-we-stop-wallowing-in-9-11/595523/32 "2011-09-07T19:21:39Z")
[QUOTE=Bosstone] First, just bringing up the Holocaust at all is hysterical Godwinizing. [/QUOTE] You should probably look up the definition of Godwinizing since you seem to have some misconceptions about how the term is used. > [@](#): > > Second, in terms of scale and depravity, 9/11 ain’t shit compared to the Holocaust. And if I were comparing it to the Holocaust you would probably have a point here. Sadly, I wasn’t and you don’t. > [@](#): > > Third, even if we do accept the comparison to the Holocaust, I consider it pretty monstrous to keep bringing it up every fucking year. I don’t consider it monstrous to bring it up every year, whether we are talking about 9/11 OR the Holocaust. Those who ignore history are doomed to beat their horses to death midstream after looking at their teeth to see if it’s an appropriate gift, etc etc. > [@](#): > > Fourth, your stupid-ass post is exactly indicative of the reason we can’t fucking let it go maturely; we Americans in general love to make martyrs of ourselves and self-flagellate with the whip of oppressed nationalism. I mean, you’re going to fucking seriously compare 9/11 to the Holocaust? God, that’s pathetic. So are your reading skills, unfortunately. I can’t help that you were ready to jerk your knee at any provocation. > [@](#): > > Open a museum. Shoot a movie. Don’t keep bringing it up every single fuck year. Learn to read, take that chip off hour shoulder and take some deep breaths. -XT ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-do-we-stop-wallowing-in-9-11/595523/33 "2011-09-07T19:24:44Z")
[QUOTE=Bosstone] And in doing so you drew a similarity between the two events. No, you’re not getting out of it. [/QUOTE] Here’s what I said: [QUOTE=XT] To me this is like the people who want to down play the Holocaust and complain that we are all still ‘wallowing’ in it after all these years, and why can’t we all just get over it?? [/QUOTE] You see me saying that 9/11 is like the Holocaust here? No. I’m saying that it’s like the people who try and down play the Holocaust and complain that ‘we’ are all ‘wallowing’ in it all the time, and need to get over it. Seems simple enough to me, though I guess reading comprehension issues are more wide spread than I thought (actually, what I REALLY think is that a lot of you have huge chips on your shoulders about this and are just rarin’ to leap on anyone you think is even somewhat sympathetic to the fact that 9/11 wasn’t just some small bullshit thing that we should all ignore or forget about). -XT ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-do-we-stop-wallowing-in-9-11/595523/34 "2011-09-07T19:27:08Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Those who ignore history are doomed to beat their horses to death midstream after looking at their teeth to see if it’s an appropriate gift, etc etc. There’s a difference between not ignoring history and celebrating a fucking anniversary. You’re dealing with an excluded middle here. When people say “stop wallowing,” they don’t mean “ignore it, let it fade out of memory.” They mean “STOP FUCKING TALKING ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.” It doesn’t have to be a constant immersion versus nothing at all. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-do-we-stop-wallowing-in-9-11/595523/35 "2011-09-07T19:29:03Z")
It’s a 10 year anniversary. Beats me why people think that multiples of 10 are important, but there you go. It’s not like we have this same thing EVERY anniversary, at least not to this extent…there will probably be something similar at the 20, 30, 40 and 50th anniversary, if anyone even still remembers by then. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-do-we-stop-wallowing-in-9-11/595523/36 "2011-09-07T19:32:19Z")
Maybe the TV guys and gals can stop those annoying “news crawls” at the bottom of the screen that started 10 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-do-we-stop-wallowing-in-9-11/595523/37 "2011-09-07T19:32:59Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > if anyone even still remembers by then. Again with the excluded middle. You can bet this is going into the history books and it will be taught alongside everything else. There will be movies when studios think the public can handle it. There will be a memorial somewhere in DC if not on the Mall itself. Probably a museum or two. It shouldn’t be forgotten, it just shouldn’t be wallowed in either. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-do-we-stop-wallowing-in-9-11/595523/38 "2011-09-07T19:35:41Z")
I’m really dreading 2012, because that’ll be the 25th anniversary of Baby Jessica being rescued from the well. It was bad enough [on the 20th anniversary](http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/19165433/ns/today-good_news/t/baby-jessica-years-later/), but this time it’ll be nonstop remembrances, enforced moments of silence, tacky souvenirs, the works. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-do-we-stop-wallowing-in-9-11/595523/39 "2011-09-07T19:43:26Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > When people say “stop wallowing,” they don’t mean “ignore it, let it fade out of memory.” They mean “STOP FUCKING TALKING ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.” It doesn’t have to be a constant immersion versus nothing at all. Geezus, Mr. Sensitive. The anniversary has been in the news for the last few days, and it will be completely out of the news by the 12th or 13th. Target and Walmart devote more time hyping Valentines, St Patrick’s Day, or Halloween. That’s a solid month of bullshit – we’re just talking about what, maybe 7 to 10 days of news coverage for a major historical event that killed 3,000 people and directly led to two wars that killed many more thousands of Americans, and God freakin’ knows how many other people? I’m sorry you people have to live in the real world where you have to deal with the extreme burden of being reminded of a huge mass murder for all of one week every ten years. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2011, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-do-we-stop-wallowing-in-9-11/595523/40 "2011-09-07T19:44:14Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > I don’t consider it monstrous to bring it up every year, whether we are talking about 9/11 OR the Holocaust. Those who ignore history are doomed to beat their horses to death midstream after looking at their teeth to see if it’s an appropriate gift, etc etc. Sometimes a nation is better served to forget some history, or at least not to dwell on it. Since you brought up the Holocaust, how well do you think Germany was served by dwelling on its defeat in World War I? How well have the people of the Balkans been served by their memories of grievances past? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-do-we-stop-wallowing-in-9-11/595523.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-do-we-stop-wallowing-in-9-11/595523.md?page=3)