# When does a kiss merit 1-4 years in jail? (Spanish soccer) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 9, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-does-a-kiss-merit-1-4-years-in-jail-spanish-soccer/989844 "2023-09-09T16:48:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-does-a-kiss-merit-1-4-years-in-jail-spanish-soccer/989844/361 "2024-01-12T15:21:25Z")
I looked up a picture of the animal and it is beautiful! Similar to a bobcat. When I was growing up there was a house up the street that had a cat that was half domestic cat and half bobcat. Summer nights, when windows would be open, you could hear it yowling sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-does-a-kiss-merit-1-4-years-in-jail-spanish-soccer/989844/362 "2024-01-12T15:24:13Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Their name is a play on Lynx pardinus, the Iberian Lynx Ah, I see. Thanks for the explanation! ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-does-a-kiss-merit-1-4-years-in-jail-spanish-soccer/989844/363 "2024-01-12T15:24:22Z")
Half-spanish, half-German, to be precise. More details about the name in [this other thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across/851674/8255) next door and the following posts. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-does-a-kiss-merit-1-4-years-in-jail-spanish-soccer/989844/364 "2024-01-12T15:31:27Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > Similar to a bobcat. Bobcats are also in the Lynx genus, Lynx rufus. > [@Baker](#): > > When I was growing up there was a house up the street that had a cat that was half domestic cat and half bobcat. This is very commonly claimed but I am not aware of any scientifically verified proof that the domestic cat Felis catus can interbreed with any member of the Lynx genus. I certainly believe that you had neighbors who told everyone that their big, wild looking cats were bobcat hybrids; I am dubious as to how accurate their claim was. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-does-a-kiss-merit-1-4-years-in-jail-spanish-soccer/989844/365 "2024-01-12T16:09:01Z")
I only saw it once, although I did hear it at night as I mentioned. It did have a short, stubby tail, and side whiskers that weren’t as long as a purebred bobcat. Of course this is anecdotal now, the animal has been gone for fifty years. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-does-a-kiss-merit-1-4-years-in-jail-spanish-soccer/989844/366 "2024-01-12T16:15:19Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > So am I, only, obviously, the other Spain “una de las dos españas ha de helarte el corazón” (“one of the two Spains is going to freeze your heart”) A 1912(!) poem by Antonio Machado, still relevant. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-does-a-kiss-merit-1-4-years-in-jail-spanish-soccer/989844/367 "2024-01-12T16:51:16Z")
This article is over one year old, but shows that the problem is not limited to macho-Spain, that the female players have suffered systematic discrimination, abuse and mental trauma for years and years, that they were not taken seriously and that they are not unduly profiting from made up allegations, cashing in after complaining because some political party (Podemos, in Spain, was claimed, other people of questionable faith in other countries will invent other straw men to blame) pushed them to exagerate their private problems (see hysteria for more details) for political gain (gift link, I hope it works, even if the pre-view is not). [https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/03/sports/soccer/us-soccer-abuse-nwsl.html?unlocked\_article\_code=1.NE0.AwVh.FIQnYu5ze5KA&smid=url-share](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/03/sports/soccer/us-soccer-abuse-nwsl.html?unlocked_article_code=1.NE0.AwVh.FIQnYu5ze5KA&smid=url-share) Yes, @sailor, looking at you. > [@Frodo](#): > > A 1912(!) poem by Antonio Machado, still relevant. I knew you would know what I was refering to. Sad that it is still relevant and pertinent. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-does-a-kiss-merit-1-4-years-in-jail-spanish-soccer/989844/368 "2024-01-12T17:01:03Z")
Curiously, just this morning while shoveling snow, I spoke with a neighbor 2 doors down who said he had seen a bobcat in his backyard the previous week. We are in a residential area of Dupage County, just west of Chicago. Plenty of fox, coyotes, skunks, etc, but had never heard of a local bobcat siting before! ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-does-a-kiss-merit-1-4-years-in-jail-spanish-soccer/989844/369 "2024-01-12T17:47:25Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > I knew you would know what I was refering to Joan Manuel Serrat’s songs were an important part of my early education, as is good and proper. ---
**Author:** ![InternetLegend](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/internetlegend/32/13154_2.png) [@InternetLegend](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InternetLegend)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2024, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-does-a-kiss-merit-1-4-years-in-jail-spanish-soccer/989844/370 "2024-01-13T06:05:04Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > I only saw it once, although I did hear it at night as I mentioned. It did have a short, stubby tail, and side whiskers that weren’t as long as a purebred bobcat. Of course this is anecdotal now, the animal has been gone for fifty years. It sounds like a [Manx cat](https://web5.lifelearn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Manx.jpg)! Very bobcat-looking creatures, and the few I’ve known have been pretty talkative. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-does-a-kiss-merit-1-4-years-in-jail-spanish-soccer/989844/371 "2024-03-20T22:45:50Z")
This is no longer about the kiss, but about plain and simple corruption: 40 million €uro or so for celebrating (sic!) the Spanish Super Cup in Saudi Arabia. Rubiales was not arrested because he is in the Dominican Republic since february, where he might have establiched permanent residency or not. Time will tell. But the headquarters of the Spanish Football Federation and his home in Granada were raided by the police, carrying out a lot of documents. > **[La Guardia Civil registra la Federación de Fútbol y la casa de Rubiales por...](https://www.abc.es/deportes/futbol/guardia-civil-registra-sede-federacion-futbol-realiza-20240320120056-nt.html?gig_actions=sso.login&gig_enteredFromComponent=fromLoginClick)** > > Rubiales lleva en República Dominicana desde principios de febrero y la Guardia Civil sospecha que podría ser su nueva residencia. Inquietud porque el expresidente pudiese conocer la orden de detenerlo y el registro Gerard Piqué, former Barça player, former world champion and former husband of Shakira is in trouble too, he got 16 million €uro from that deal (4 million for each of the four years, it is claimed). Several other people at the federation have been arrested too. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-does-a-kiss-merit-1-4-years-in-jail-spanish-soccer/989844/372 "2024-03-20T23:45:59Z")
Many of us here are not fluent in Spanish, for English language articles: > **[Spanish police raid Luis Rubiales’ house as part of corruption investigation](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/mar/20/spanish-football-federation-luis-rubiales-investigation)** > > Police have raided the Spanish Football Federation and a residence belonging to its former president, Luis Rubiales, in an investigation into alleged corruption > **[Police raid Spanish soccer federation, Rubiales' residence in probe of Saudi...](https://apnews.com/article/spanish-soccer-federation-rubiales-saudi-arabia-super-cup-4db04330fdd6e1ab2f0e73be80619242)** > > Spanish police have arrested at least six people and raided the offices of the Spanish soccer federation and a property belonging to former president Luis Rubiales as part of a corruption and money laundering investigation that includes suspicions... ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-does-a-kiss-merit-1-4-years-in-jail-spanish-soccer/989844/373 "2024-04-03T17:24:41Z")
> **[Luis Rubiales arrested in corruption investigation](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68721045)** > > The ex-president of the Spanish football federation was arrested in Madrid, before being released. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-does-a-kiss-merit-1-4-years-in-jail-spanish-soccer/989844/374 "2024-04-03T19:01:12Z")
I don’t think this has been posted before in this thread? Seems to be a direct answer to the question in the OP, at least from the prosecutor’s perspective: > **[Luis Rubiales: Prosecutors seek 2.5-year jail term over World Cup kiss](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68679506)** > > Spain's ex-football boss could go to prison because of a non-consensual kiss at the Women's World Cup. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2025, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-does-a-kiss-merit-1-4-years-in-jail-spanish-soccer/989844/375 "2025-03-08T01:50:37Z")
> **[Ex-Spanish Soccer President Luis Rubiales Found Guilty of Sexual Assault for...](https://people.com/ex-spanish-soccer-president-luis-rubiales-found-guilty-of-sexual-assault-world-cup-kiss-11683283)** > > Luis Rubiales, the former president of the Spanish Football Federation, was found guilty of sexual assault on Thursday, Feb. 19, for forcibly kissing star soccer player Jenni Hermoso at the 2023 World Cup Final. Luis Rubiales, the former president of the Spanish Football Federation, was [found guilty of sexual assault](https://people.com/spain-ex-soccer-president-luis-rubiales-on-trial-sexual-assault-over-jenni-hermoso-kiss-8784709) for forcibly kissing star soccer player [Jenni Hermoso](https://people.com/jenni-hermoso-issues-statement-on-behalf-of-spains-womens-soccer-teams-roster-release-7971456) at the 2023 World Cup Final. On Thursday, Feb. 19, a Spanish court issued the ruling, fining Rubiales 10,800 euros (approximately $11,292 USD), but clearing him on a charge of coercion that stemmed from the same incident, according to multiple outlets. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2025, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-does-a-kiss-merit-1-4-years-in-jail-spanish-soccer/989844/376 "2025-03-08T19:57:25Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > On Thursday, Feb. 19, a Spanish court issued the ruling, fining Rubiales 10,800 euros (approximately $11,292 USD), but clearing him on a charge of coercion that stemmed from the same incident, according to multiple outlets. Not unreasonable. Many will be unhappy, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2025, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-does-a-kiss-merit-1-4-years-in-jail-spanish-soccer/989844/377 "2025-03-08T20:16:01Z")
Both the **[prosecution](https://tribuna.com/en/news/2025-03-06-amorim-tells-his-players-they-must-enjoy-the-game-against-sociedad-for-them-to-play-well/)** and the defendant have appealed. And the comments are just like you would expect. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2025, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-does-a-kiss-merit-1-4-years-in-jail-spanish-soccer/989844/378 "2025-03-09T00:28:28Z")
@Pardel-Lux - I don’t think that link goes where you meant it to. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2025, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-does-a-kiss-merit-1-4-years-in-jail-spanish-soccer/989844/379 "2025-03-09T08:53:45Z")
Indeed, it does not, seems like a kind of live feed: the page changes regularly. Sorry, it is difficult to find a link in English, please believe me, both sides have appealed the verdict. It is not a conntroversial claim, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2025, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-does-a-kiss-merit-1-4-years-in-jail-spanish-soccer/989844/380 "2025-11-15T16:31:46Z")
This may or may not have anything to do with the kiss. If not, I hope his uncle ( also named Luis Rubiales) gets the help he needs. If it is connected, then good use of eggs IMHO. > **[Former Spanish soccer boss Rubiales egged by uncle at book presentation](https://apnews.com/article/luis-rubiales-eggs-book-spain-9cdea03d1fbbf762bc4c2688fff2b6f8)** > > Luis Rubiales has been pelted by eggs thrown by his own uncle as the former head of Spain's soccer federation presented a memoir relating his downfall after kissing a player at the 2023 Women's World Cup. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-does-a-kiss-merit-1-4-years-in-jail-spanish-soccer/989844.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-does-a-kiss-merit-1-4-years-in-jail-spanish-soccer/989844.md?page=20)