# When has a rapist been a sympathetic character? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 7, 2007, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-has-a-rapist-been-a-sympathetic-character/410872 "2007-07-07T17:01:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![The\_Dumbest\_Guy\_in\_the\_Room](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5fc32e/32.png) [@The\_Dumbest\_Guy\_in\_the\_Room](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Dumbest_Guy_in_the_Room)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-has-a-rapist-been-a-sympathetic-character/410872/1 "2007-07-07T17:01:16Z")
It’s reasonably easy to create a list of theives, murderers, drug dealers and psychopaths who nonetheless are supposed to be a character the audience can relate to, and even like. I can’t think of a rapist that has got this treatment. Any examples? ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-has-a-rapist-been-a-sympathetic-character/410872/2 "2007-07-07T17:05:59Z")
Vic from [A Boy And His Dog.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Boy_And_His_Dog) ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-has-a-rapist-been-a-sympathetic-character/410872/3 "2007-07-07T17:07:22Z")
Kevin Bacon plays a child molestor in “The Woodsman.” He comes off as sympathetic, but the movie doesn’t gloss over his crimes either. That’s all I can think of for now, of things I’ve actually seen. From googling, I found an [article about a rapist character](http://soaps.about.com/library/prm/blatwt_wfichtner.htm) who was sympathetic on some soap. ETA: Do you consider Alex in “A Clockwork Orange” to be sympathetic? ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-has-a-rapist-been-a-sympathetic-character/410872/4 "2007-07-07T17:07:30Z")
Luke Spencer- GENERAL HOSPITAL Todd ???- ONE LIFE TO LIVE Rapists who become sympathetic leading men are a definite Soap Opera meme. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-has-a-rapist-been-a-sympathetic-character/410872/5 "2007-07-07T17:08:47Z")
I’m not sure how closely this fits your criteria, but _[The Woodsman](http://imdb.com/title/tt0361127/plotsummary)_ has Kevin Bacon playing a convicted child molester trying to start his life over. I haven’t seen the whole thing, but he’s portrayed as a tragic and sympathetic figure. dammit ---
**Author:** ![Paladud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Paladud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paladud)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-has-a-rapist-been-a-sympathetic-character/410872/6 "2007-07-07T17:16:12Z")
Howard Roark. ---
**Author:** ![Student\_Driver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3da27b/32.png) [@Student\_Driver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Student_Driver)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-has-a-rapist-been-a-sympathetic-character/410872/7 "2007-07-07T17:20:56Z")
Todd Solondz’s film [Happiness](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0147612/). Dylan Baker plays a psychologist who drugs and molests his son’s young friend. An odd, but interesting, little film. And it’s been a while since I watched it, but IIRC, it’s strongly implied that Rhett Butler rapes Scarlett in Gone With the Wind. I assume that happens in the book as well, but I’ve never read it. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-has-a-rapist-been-a-sympathetic-character/410872/8 "2007-07-07T17:27:25Z")
[QUOTE=garygnu] I’m not sure how closely this fits your criteria, but _[The Woodsman](http://imdb.com/title/tt0361127/plotsummary)_ has Kevin Bacon playing a convicted child molester trying to start his life over. I haven’t seen the whole thing, but he’s portrayed as a tragic and sympathetic figure. dammit [/QUOTE] Hey, only one minute after me–that is nothing to sneeze at! 🙂 Along the same lines as"Gone with the Wind," what about “A Streetcar Named Desire”? Then again, I suppose that’s only if you consider Stanley to be sympathetic. I guess most might consider him purely antagonistic. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-has-a-rapist-been-a-sympathetic-character/410872/9 "2007-07-07T17:29:29Z")
Thomas Covenant, from Stephen Donaldson’s books. Gully Foyle (ultimately), from The Stars My Destinatioin. Captain Renault from _Casablanca._ ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-has-a-rapist-been-a-sympathetic-character/410872/10 "2007-07-07T17:35:57Z")
Jake Masters in [Cry Uncle!](http://www.sff.net/people/rothman/GBF/cryuncle.htm) is the clear winner, since the victim was dead when he started, and he _still_ comes off as a good guy. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-has-a-rapist-been-a-sympathetic-character/410872/11 "2007-07-07T17:39:13Z")
[QUOTE=RealityChuck] Jake Masters in [Cry Uncle!](http://www.sff.net/people/rothman/GBF/cryuncle.htm) is the clear winner, since the victim was dead when he started, and he _still_ comes off as a good guy. [/QUOTE] This is a competition? Here’s a little gender equity: the mother in _Spanking The Monkey._ ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-has-a-rapist-been-a-sympathetic-character/410872/12 "2007-07-07T17:42:32Z")
[QUOTE=Fiver] Captain Renault from _Casablanca._ [/QUOTE] Could lead to a debate on how broadly we should define the term rape. Renault took advantage of women who found themselves in desparate situations. He was in a position of power which allowed him to offer aid and favors, he made it clear that such aid would only be offered if he got what he wanted first. Ultimately, though the woman’s choice in the matter was compromised by her desparate situation, the woman still always had a choice. Renault never forced himself on anyone. The woman would not be punished for saying no, but she would only be rewarded if she said yes. I’m not prepared to count Renault as a rapist. I think Tennessee Williams would gasp if he heard Stanley Kowalski described as a sympathetic character. Sean Penn’s character in [Dead Man Walking](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112818/) had the rape/murder combo pack going for him. he was definitely portrayed as sympathetic. ---
**Author:** ![Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Speaker_for_the_Dead)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-has-a-rapist-been-a-sympathetic-character/410872/13 "2007-07-07T17:42:35Z")
How about Humbert Humbert from Nabokov’s _Lolita_? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-has-a-rapist-been-a-sympathetic-character/410872/14 "2007-07-07T17:44:01Z")
From science fiction, there’s Moneta in “Fall of Hyperion” - she rapes Col. Kassad. ---
**Author:** ![gfloyd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d2c977/32.png) [@gfloyd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gfloyd)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-has-a-rapist-been-a-sympathetic-character/410872/15 "2007-07-07T17:44:16Z")
In Bujold’s Vorkosigan books, Bothari is a tragic figure as a rapist. He’s insane, and driven to do terrible things by worse men. It’s not hard to have some sympathy for him, as he is what he is because of what others have done to him. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-has-a-rapist-been-a-sympathetic-character/410872/16 "2007-07-07T17:46:21Z")
[QUOTE=Fiver] the mother in _Spanking The Monkey._ [/QUOTE] Again, how broadly are we defining rape? That movie was about a creepy sick _relationship_. Being the mom, she had a certain amount of psychological influence but ultimately there was consent. Her leg was in a cast- he easily could have removed himself from the situation, and could have made sure the situation didn’t repeat. And, been a while since I’ve seen the movie so I can’t say for sure- was she really a sympathetic character? ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-has-a-rapist-been-a-sympathetic-character/410872/17 "2007-07-07T17:48:51Z")
Rand’s comment on Roark- “If that was rape, it was by engraved invitation.” GWTW- Rhett’s rape of Scarlett was during their marriage, which unfortunately, wasn’t viewed at as terribly askanse (sp?) at that time. Hell, I remember people debating as recently as the 1970s whether or not a husband could be considered to have raped his wife. Of course, one could make an argument that Scarlett also invited it- at least in the movie. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-has-a-rapist-been-a-sympathetic-character/410872/18 "2007-07-07T18:01:41Z")
[QUOTE=Zoggie] Hey, only one minute after me–that is nothing to sneeze at! 🙂 … [/QUOTE] I was spellchecking (turns out I didn’t need to) and getting the IMDb link. :mad: 😛 It looks like quite of few of these examples ride the line between sympathetic and pitiable (as in viewed with pity, not pittable). ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-has-a-rapist-been-a-sympathetic-character/410872/19 "2007-07-07T18:11:56Z")
See [Soul on Ice](http://www.amazon.com/SOUL-ICE-Eldridge-Cleaver/dp/044021128X) ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2007, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-has-a-rapist-been-a-sympathetic-character/410872/20 "2007-07-07T18:12:45Z")
[QUOTE=Fiver] Captain Renault from _Casablanca._ [/QUOTE] Damn, that was going to be my first pick. How about a rapist and a murderer: Captain “Aarfy” Aardvark from _Catch-22_. Nobody would arrest Aarfy for raping a maid and throwing her out the window. “Not good old Aarfy.” Then there’s James Bond. See _Goldfinger_, _Thunderball_, _Live And Let Die_ (fraudulent persuasion)…he does seem to have tapered off in the last few decades. Stranger [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-has-a-rapist-been-a-sympathetic-character/410872.md?page=2)