# When is enough Bob Marley enough? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 11, 2013, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-is-enough-bob-marley-enough/649950 "2013-02-11T06:44:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-is-enough-bob-marley-enough/649950/61 "2013-02-13T23:00:29Z")
The concept of Goth-reggae makes me head asplode. Mon. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-is-enough-bob-marley-enough/649950/62 "2013-02-13T23:54:02Z")
> [@GargoyleWB](#): > > I wouldn’t be surprised if there are sub-genres like reggae-core, memphis-reggae, goth-reggae, reggadelica, and regstep that I’m otherwise unaware of. Seriously, _every one of these_ exists. Reggae is big. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![lost4life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@lost4life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lost4life)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-is-enough-bob-marley-enough/649950/63 "2013-02-14T00:00:13Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > I’ve never heard a Mississippi blues singer that sounded much like Robert Plant. Well, they don’t. It was mostly a reference to the blues artists that Zeppelin stole from. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-is-enough-bob-marley-enough/649950/64 "2013-02-14T01:32:29Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Did the OP not watch the Grammys? They played exactly one Bob Marley song during that tribute. But, hey, let’s stop mentioning his name cuz he’s dead and he gets mentioned a lot. While we’re at it let’s kill all that Beatle noise. And Beethoven? Get over his long dead ass already! Yes, it’s time to roll over Beethoven, with steam roller, baby, powered by rhythm & blues! ---
**Author:** ![FrankJBN](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f0a364/32.png) [@FrankJBN](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrankJBN)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-is-enough-bob-marley-enough/649950/65 "2013-02-14T18:08:06Z")
“It was mostly a reference to the blues artists that Zeppelin stole from” Yeah, and Paul Simon stole the music on “Graceland” from Africa and Yo Yo Ma is stealing from Haydn. I’m lucky in that I have a local radio station that plays a blues show every week. Most people don’t have that kind of opportunity for hearing blues music. Clapton’s blues records have brought the music and classic somgs to a very wide audience. You think it would be better if some folks never heard the blues at all if the “Im Tore Down” they hear isn’t “authentic”? I’ve written blues songs - I’m stealing music from somebody? ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-is-enough-bob-marley-enough/649950/66 "2013-02-14T19:04:07Z")
I don’t know why Bob Marley music is such a point of concern. The first reggae I heard in the 70’s blew me away and I’ve always loved it for what it is, not for what others have turned it into. I think Marley should be right up there with all the great innovators of popular music. ---
**Author:** ![lost4life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@lost4life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lost4life)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-is-enough-bob-marley-enough/649950/67 "2013-02-14T21:04:12Z")
> [@FrankJBN](#): > > “It was mostly a reference to the blues artists that Zeppelin stole from” > > Yeah, and Paul Simon stole the music on “Graceland” from Africa and Yo Yo Ma is stealing from Haydn. > > I’m lucky in that I have a local radio station that plays a blues show every week. Most people don’t have that kind of opportunity for hearing blues music. > > Clapton’s blues records have brought the music and classic somgs to a very wide audience. You think it would be better if some folks never heard the blues at all if the “Im Tore Down” they hear isn’t “authentic”? > > I’ve written blues songs - I’m stealing music from somebody? Not to derail the thread, but the word your looking for is influenced, I mean [stolen](http://www.warr.org/zep.html#Thieves), with [lawsuits](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_Lotta_Love#Influence), [and](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lemon_Song#Cover_versions) [everything](http://www.cracked.com/article_18500_the-5-most-famous-musicians-who-are-thieving-bastards.html)! ---
**Author:** ![FrankJBN](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f0a364/32.png) [@FrankJBN](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrankJBN)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-is-enough-bob-marley-enough/649950/68 "2013-02-14T21:15:49Z")
"Not to derail the thread, but the word your looking for is influenced, I mean stolen, withlawsuits, and everything! " I don’t understand. I am saying that no one stole anything. I am actively disagreeing with those who stated plainly " the blues artists that Zeppelin stole from" Why would I be looking for any word,? I think my post is clear as itstands ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-is-enough-bob-marley-enough/649950/69 "2013-02-14T21:24:16Z")
Except, as provided in the link you’re responding to, Led Zeppelin _did_ steal. ---
**Author:** ![lost4life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@lost4life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lost4life)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-is-enough-bob-marley-enough/649950/70 "2013-02-14T21:36:56Z")
> [@FrankJBN](#): > > "Not to derail the thread, but the word your looking for is influenced, I mean stolen, withlawsuits, and everything! " > > I don’t understand. I am saying that no one stole anything. I am actively disagreeing with those who stated plainly " the blues artists that Zeppelin stole from" > > Why would I be looking for any word,? I think my post is clear as itstands You said A, which I feel is wrong and responded with B, cites to the contrary. That’s how things work. I suppose if you didn’t want a rebuttal, an internet forum might be a strange choice to express one’s opinions. Here’s some more: Led Zeppelin paid many of the performers settlements, and even added them to the writing credits…not really the actions of innocent people. Too bad they didn’t steal any Bob Marley music too, or this might be relevant :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2013, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-is-enough-bob-marley-enough/649950/71 "2013-02-14T21:38:43Z")
> [@lost4life](#): > > Too bad they didn’t steal any Bob Marley music too, or this might be relevant :dubious: Well, there was “D’Yer Maker”… ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Nader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Darth\_Nader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Nader)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-is-enough-bob-marley-enough/649950/72 "2013-02-15T13:45:57Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > Seriously, _every one of these_ exists. Reggae is big. 🆒 Link? I and I _need_ the goth-reggae! ---
**Author:** ![lost4life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@lost4life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lost4life)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-is-enough-bob-marley-enough/649950/73 "2013-02-15T14:27:59Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > Well, there was “D’Yer Maker”… 🙂 As for goth-reggae, that would be interesting. I mean in my mind, there’s reggae, and songs with a reggae rhythm. Closest thing I can think of with a reggae rhythm would be Bonfire by Knife Party (dubstep reggae). Maybe Last Train to Doomsville by Dub Syndicate (Lee “Scratch” Perry)? BTW. There’s some awesome footage of LSP doing his magic in the new Marley documentary. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Nader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Darth\_Nader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Nader)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-is-enough-bob-marley-enough/649950/74 "2013-02-15T15:01:36Z")
A quick google led me to **Impulsive Lust**. No. Hell no. I’d rather devise a dual-feed mp3 player that sent Steel Pulse to my right ear, and Sisters of Mercy to the left. ---
**Author:** ![Atomic\_Mama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5ac83/32.png) [@Atomic\_Mama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atomic_Mama)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-is-enough-bob-marley-enough/649950/75 "2013-02-15T15:23:00Z")
> [@Peanuthead](#): > > Ah yes, the Bob Marley phenomenon! > > Ask anybody if they like Reggae and 99 times out of 100 the answer will be “Oh yeah! I love Reggae. Bob Marley. I Shot the Sheriff” Uh-huh, yeah, well who else do you like? “Uh, uh, uh…Bob Marley”. Ever heard of Toots and the Maytals? Black Uhuru? U Roy? Mutabaruka? The Skatalites? You’ll get a blank stare and some mumbling about Bob Marley…reggae…sheriff…i got a t shirt…poster.. > > I know this is not the forum to rant but it pisses me off that Bob Marley is held up to be the God of Reggae. I’m not knocking his talent. He was a very good musician but there were/are many others who came before and after him who go completely unrecognized because people who claim to know about music don’t know shit, and don’t take the initiative to research the music they claim to love. > > Now don’t get me started about The Blues. 😉 And don’t you DARE get me started about Robert Johnson :mad: :mad: :mad: ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-is-enough-bob-marley-enough/649950/76 "2013-02-15T15:55:13Z")
> [@Atomic\_Mama](#): > > And don’t you DARE get me started about Robert Johnson :mad: :mad: :mad: The Complete Recordings is one of the heavier played CDs in my collection. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-is-enough-bob-marley-enough/649950/77 "2013-02-16T07:03:31Z")
> [@GargoyleWB](#): > > I wouldn’t be surprised if there are sub-genres like reggae-core… Yeah, the [Bad Brains](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Brains) are a reggae / hardcore punk band: it made for some entertaining concerts. [Rick Ocasek](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ric_Ocasek) of the Cars produced their work for a while. Re the OP: The Grammies are an extended infomercial for the music industry. You may as well complain about the weather. Also: I’d say Bob Marley is way more influential than the the Beatles, although the latter have a great deal more mind-space. That’s what happens when you are a major innovator of an entire genre of music. I’m not a fan of Marley: I don’t own any of his albums. But his influence is widespread and profound, owing some to the lesser success of Peter Tosh, Toots and the Maytals et al and indirectly to Jamaica’s modest musical market. For better or worse Marley is the front-man for reggae. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-is-enough-bob-marley-enough/649950.md?page=3)