# When ISIS is defeated, then what? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 22, 2015, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-isis-is-defeated-then-what/738267 "2015-11-22T03:45:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-isis-is-defeated-then-what/738267/63 "2015-11-25T08:49:06Z")
So we’re clear: Turkey gave up on the idea of entering the EU a long time ago. Erdoğan, Davutoğlu, et. al. are no longer working towards that goal, and have over the last decade or so overseen a “neo-Ottoman” pivot towards the country’s immediate neighbours. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-isis-is-defeated-then-what/738267/64 "2015-11-25T09:39:15Z")
> [@Steken](#): > > So we’re clear: Turkey gave up on the idea of entering the EU a long time ago. . That is absolutely not true. > **[Accession of Turkey to the European Union](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union#Future)** > > Turkey is negotiating its accession to the European Union (EU) as a member state, following its application to become a full member of the European Economic Community (EEC), the predecessor of the EU, on 14 April 1987. > After the ten founding members in 1949, Turkey became one of the first new members (the 13th member) of the Council of Europe in 1950. The country became an associate member of the European Economic Community (EEC) in 1963 and was an associate member of the Western European Uni... Officially their goal is still to become a member of the EU by 2023: > **[Vision 2023](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_vision)** > > The 2023 vision was a set of goals released by the administration of Prime Minister (now President) Recep Tayyip Erdoğan in 2010 and 2011, to coincide with the centenary of the Republic of Turkey in 2023. > Progress on economic goals > > Turkey's foreign-policy objectives and vision as articulated by former Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu:.mw-parser-output .templatequote{overflow:hidden;margin:1em 0;padding:0 32px}.mw-parser-output .templatequotecite{line-height:1.5em;text-align:left;margin-top:0}@me... ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-isis-is-defeated-then-what/738267/65 "2015-11-25T13:04:16Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > That is absolutely not true. > [Accession of Turkey to the European Union - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union#Future) > > Officially their goal is still to become a member of the EU by 2023: > [Vision 2023 - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_vision) Well played! And thank you. I’ll try to dig up the article I read that, IIRC, claimed the exact opposite - I think it was a profile of either Erdoğan or Davutoğlu, in either _Foreign Policy_ or in the _New Yorker_. A quick googling run doesn’t really turn up anything stronger than that, at one point, Erdoğan briefly flirted with the idea of [joining the SCO instead](http://www.europeanleadershipnetwork.org/turkeys-ak-party-vision-of-europe-is-very-different-from-europes-own_2531.html) (though I guess that’s all over now!). ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-isis-is-defeated-then-what/738267/66 "2015-11-25T19:37:44Z")
Why doesn’t the US just pay ISIS to fuck off ? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-isis-is-defeated-then-what/738267/67 "2015-11-25T19:48:26Z")
> [@MrQwertyasd](#): > > Why doesn’t the US just pay ISIS to fuck off ? We could also try sending a very nice, handwritten note to them. ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-isis-is-defeated-then-what/738267/68 "2015-11-25T19:58:59Z")
Everyone has their price. Most of them just want a shag. Give them enough for that and the front lines will thin out in no time. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-isis-is-defeated-then-what/738267/69 "2015-11-25T20:05:02Z")
> [@MrQwertyasd](#): > > Everyone has their price. Most of them just want a shag. Give them enough for that and the front lines will thin out in no time. You obviously haven’t read the stories of ISIL members looking for 16 year old girls on the Internet and convincing them to travel to Syria. ---
**Author:** ![MrQwertyasd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@MrQwertyasd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrQwertyasd)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-isis-is-defeated-then-what/738267/70 "2015-11-25T20:08:00Z")
A few western women won’t satisfy an army of thousands. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-isis-is-defeated-then-what/738267/71 "2015-11-26T01:26:02Z")
> [@MrQwertyasd](#): > > A few western women won’t satisfy an army of thousands. That’s why they have Yazidi sex slaves. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-isis-is-defeated-then-what/738267/72 "2015-11-26T02:28:29Z")
> [@MrQwertyasd](#): > > Everyone has their price. While I have my imperfections, I don’t think I do. Ask me to run naked through Times Square for X dollars, I’m not going to do it. Doesn’t matter what X is. In this way, I’m just like most of my fellow humans who happen to be ISIL soldiers or leaders. For the minority of ISIL leaders who do have a price, the CIA is undoubtedly hard at work trying to pay it. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-isis-is-defeated-then-what/738267/73 "2015-11-26T02:55:06Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Ask me to run naked through Times Square for X dollars, I’m not going to do it. Hell, I’d do that for $1000, less if I can wear a mask on my face. But no amount of money would make me do the sick shit that ISIS is doing: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/16/islamic-states-war-crimes-against-yazidi-women-documented/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/16/islamic-states-war-crimes-against-yazidi-women-documented/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-isis-is-defeated-then-what/738267.md?page=3)