# When Lawyers Marry **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 16, 2007, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965 "2007-10-16T22:40:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Reyemile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@Reyemile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reyemile)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/21 "2007-10-17T05:03:32Z")
[QUOTE=Hello Again] Well, maybe the amount she is seeking is unreasonable, but her cause of action is not. [/QUOTE] I presume that her legal justification, ridiculous or not, is that because the flowers clashed with the linens, she was not only deprived the value of the flowers but of every single bit of decor in the room. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/22 "2007-10-17T05:08:10Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] So far, all we have are her allegations and his contradictions, along with a grossly over-inflated lawsuit. [/quote] Fortunately for them our system of justice doesn’t involve random people with sketchy facts judging allegations. [ETA: actually, I guess our system \*does \*do this, but not in the sarcastic way intended here. :)] > [@Shayna](#): > > That last part is the part that gets under my craw the most. Bitch didn’t suffer $400,000.00 worth of damages, pain and “suffering.” Please. Why not? How much do you think the entire wedding cost? How much is getting a once-in-a-lifetime event just right worth? ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/23 "2007-10-17T05:15:27Z")
[QUOTE=Hello Again] I don’t agree with her choices but they were hers to make. [/QUOTE] Indeed. It is also my choice to think she is a bozo for investing in dead inedible plant life instead of a nice no-load index fund. ---
**Author:** ![Kayeby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de0a6/32.png) [@Kayeby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kayeby)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/24 "2007-10-17T05:39:02Z")
From the article linked in the OP: > [@](#): > > Not only was the color wrong, Ms. Glatt said in the lawsuit, filed on Friday in State Supreme Court in Manhattan, but **the hydrangeas were wilted and brown, and arranged in dusty vases without enough water**. > > In a litany of “distressing and embarrassing” offenses, the lawsuit says the florist substituted cheaper orchids than promised in the bridal bouquet and provided the equivalent of $5 roses from a street vendor, but charged $55 to $65 for those arrangements. If I’d spent almost 30k, or any amount, on flowers I would be furious if they were “wilted and brown”. And that’s not even getting into the allegations that cheaper substitutions had been made. Assuming this is true and not she’s telling the truth about the condition of the flowers, then the $4000 refund originally requested (that the the florists repeatedly ignored) seems more than reasonable. $400,000 seems crazy high to me, but if the florist deliberately cheated her, provided undisplayable flowers, then ignored her requests for a partial refund, then he deserves to sweat a little. Weddings are a high-emotion, special occasion event for many people, and I don’t know whether that affects the damages. If I make a reservation for a restaurant and they misplace it, that’s annoying. But if I spend $60,000 to book the place for my 200-head wedding reception, the venue forgets the booking, all other comparable venues are filled with diners, and I have to take my formally-dressed guests to McDonalds, a straight refund doesn’t seem adequate. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/25 "2007-10-17T05:42:52Z")
All I can say is thank GOD nobody lost the groom’s pants, or we’d be talking BILLIONS! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/26 "2007-10-17T05:59:18Z")
Wish I had $27,000 to spend on flowers. I wouldn’t, of course, I’d spend it on drugs and lewd companions. Still, wish I had it. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/27 "2007-10-17T08:17:41Z")
[QUOTE=friedo] Indeed. It is also my choice to think she is a bozo for investing in dead inedible plant life instead of a nice no-load index fund. [/QUOTE] I think we see part of the problem here. She wanted plants where were still early in the process of dying rather than already dead. > [@Richard Parker](#): > > Why not? How much do you think the entire wedding cost? How much is getting a once-in-a-lifetime event just right worth? Or a twice-in-a-lifetime event. > [@elucidator](#): > > Wish I had $27,000 to spend on flowers. I wouldn’t, of course, I’d spend it on drugs and lewd companions. Still, wish I had it. But would you sue your dealer if the lewd companions were wilted? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/28 "2007-10-17T11:02:46Z")
[QUOTE=Kayeby] Assuming this is true and not she’s telling the truth about the condition of the flowers, then the $4000 refund originally requested (that the the florists repeatedly ignored) seems more than reasonable. $400,000 seems crazy high to me, but if the florist deliberately cheated her, provided undisplayable flowers, then ignored her requests for a partial refund, then he deserves to sweat a little. [/quote] I totally agree. There aren’t enough facts to decide if she’s pitworthy or not. If they really gave her lousy flowers and then ignored repeated requests for a refund on the order of 10 or 15 percent, I agree that the florist deserves to sweat. Unfortunately, New York’s rules of procedure usually require you to put a dollar amount on the summons and putting down a lower dollar amount has the potential to limit the claim. So to be on the safe side, a lot of people err on the side of high. As far as her ethnicity goes, yeah, seeing that she’s an attorney in New York, there’s a very good chance that she’s Jewish. Are Jewish people more willing to stand up for their rights? Are they more likely to file sketchy lawsuits? Are they more likely to bring their disputes to court? It’s possible. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/29 "2007-10-17T12:12:02Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] As far as her ethnicity goes, yeah, seeing that she’s an attorney in New York, there’s a very good chance that she’s Jewish. Are Jewish people more willing to stand up for their rights? Are they more likely to file sketchy lawsuits? Are they more likely to bring their disputes to court? It’s possible. [/QUOTE] I don’t know if the OP waS implying anything about her ethnicity, but the article **TokyoPlayer** linked to certainly wasn’t too subtle about it…it came right out and called her a “jewish lawyer.” ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/30 "2007-10-17T12:13:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Well, maybe the amount she is seeking is unreasonable, but her cause of action is not. The real test will come if the Defendant offers a refund. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/31 "2007-10-17T12:24:26Z")
[QUOTE=Randy Seltzer] You can’t get a Jewish nose from marrying a Jew, can you? [/QUOTE] Depends where he puts it 😃 (IIRC, one of the anti-semitic aspects of the [Leo Frank](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Frank) lynching in Atlanta was that he’d performed cunninlingus on prostitutes with his nose; resulting in White Southern Manhood’s admission that it was as threatened by Jewish noses as much as it was by Negro penises) ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Call_Me_Shirley)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/32 "2007-10-17T13:12:49Z")
We had a similar thing at our wedding reception, the frosting flowers on the cake didn’t match our real flowers. My wife was beside herself. Then, our reception was robbed and the fuckers stole all the money people had left and some gifts too. Kind of put the flower disaster into perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/33 "2007-10-17T13:28:25Z")
[QUOTE=Sarahfeena] I don’t know if the OP waS implying anything about her ethnicity, but the article **TokyoPlayer** linked to certainly wasn’t too subtle about it…it came right out and called her a “jewish lawyer.” [/QUOTE] Truthfully it was that link which prompted my ire. As it was misdirected at the OP, I apologize. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/34 "2007-10-17T13:47:38Z")
[QUOTE=TokyoPlayer] But would you sue your dealer if the lewd companions were wilted? [/QUOTE] What planet are you from? You’d sue the pimp of course! ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/35 "2007-10-17T14:25:44Z")
You don’t have one-stop shopping? I forget how behind the times the States are. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/36 "2007-10-17T14:36:25Z")
[QUOTE=TokyoPlayer] You don’t have one-stop shopping? I forget how behind the times the States are. [/QUOTE] Well sure, but you can’t get Cristal at Walmart. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/37 "2007-10-17T14:38:50Z")
[QUOTE=kidchameleon] Well sure, but you can’t get Cristal at Walmart. [/QUOTE] You have to go to _Tar-ghey_ for that. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/38 "2007-10-17T14:43:02Z")
I’m generally pretty down on the concept of suing someone everytime there’s a mistake or you don’t get your way. But in this case, I think I would have to see pictures of the event to see how bad it looked. I remember when I was looking around for a place to have my reception, I saw a banquet room with burgundy decor (chairs, carpet, curtains…_everything_ was burgundy). The wedding that they were setting up at the time was all in peach (table cloths, napkins, etc.) It looked…awful. I mean, I really kind of felt sorry for the bride, because I imagine when she planned everything, she didn’t think about her colors clashing with the room. (I’m not really fussy about that kind of stuff, but it taught me a lesson…I tried to find the most neutral room I could, and then used a relatively neutral color scheme, as well. Something I might not have thought of if I hadn’t seen what can go wrong!) If there were enough flowers to make it into that kind of an effect, it might seem to be well worth suing over. Then again, I can imagine that anyone who thinks it’s worth $27 grand to get a certain color of wedding flowers might be extremely hard to please, as well, perhaps unreasonably so. ---
**Author:** ![stolichnaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@stolichnaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stolichnaya)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/39 "2007-10-17T14:51:33Z")
Good lord. If she had a contract that was violated, then heck, sue away. This fancy wedding stuff is for the birds. It’s a world I don’t understand. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/40 "2007-10-17T15:23:40Z")
[QUOTE=Sarahfeena] I don’t know if the OP waS implying anything about her ethnicity, but the article **TokyoPlayer** linked to certainly wasn’t too subtle about it…it came right out and called her a “jewish lawyer.” [/QUOTE] _Bing!!!_ Me, I figured the OP was putting 2 and 2 together and getting 4 for other-than-mathematical reasons, if ya follow me. Not that a lot of us wouldn’t have jumped to the same conclusion. Stereotypes aren’t stereotypes without some basis in reality. But one really oughtn’t to go around jerking a thumb and going “nyaaah, see?” That’s a bright line, I would think. For the record, Ms. Elbogen-Glatt’s breathing apparatus appears comparatively svelte, whatever else one might say about her. On top of that, “Elana” is a vividly Hebrew name (unlike “Elena,” which it’s often mistaken for). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965.md?page=3)