# When Lawyers Marry **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 16, 2007, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965 "2007-10-16T22:40:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/41 "2007-10-17T15:28:41Z")
People don’t realize her LIFE is no ruined becasue of this. Or so she would have you think. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/42 "2007-10-17T15:32:14Z")
“is no ruined”? Your Scots burr coming out there? 😃 I’ll guess you meant “is noW ruined.” ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/43 "2007-10-17T15:37:55Z")
[QUOTE=TokyoPlayer] But would you sue your dealer if the lewd companions were wilted? [/QUOTE] At **luc** ’s age, wilted companions would coordinate well with the customer. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/44 "2007-10-17T15:39:42Z")
[QUOTE=Sarahfeena] Then again, I can imagine that anyone who thinks it’s worth $27 grand to get a certain color of wedding flowers might be extremely hard to please, as well, perhaps unreasonably so. [/QUOTE] One might also note that the florist took a $27,000 order for flowers, I would hope that someone agreeing to such a big order would take the time to ensure the colors were correct. If you paid $27,000 for a car and it arrived with the wrong color (and was impossible to resell) you might be a bit pissed when the dealer tells you to fuck off. This all depends on the details, but if he promised one flower, and delivered something significantly different, he is the one who screwed up, and the customer deserves restitution. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/45 "2007-10-17T15:53:02Z")
[QUOTE=Beware of Doug] On top of that, “Elana” is a vividly Hebrew name (unlike “Elena,” which it’s often mistaken for). [/QUOTE] I didn’t know that before today. Of course, if I had said something which might have been construed as a slur, someone would have told me “how could you not know with a name like Elana?”. And tomorrow, when I forget this little tidbit and make that mistake, I’ll get reamed for it. Of course, I also wouldn’t assume Glatt to be a Hebrew name, simply because I wouldn’t even be thinking of it. So if I saw a picture of Mr. Glatt (I haven’t) and I remarked, “What a big schnozz on him!”, the only ethnic slur would be the one that the listener is supplying. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/46 "2007-10-17T16:03:10Z")
[QUOTE=Cheesesteak] One might also note that the florist took a $27,000 order for flowers, I would hope that someone agreeing to such a big order would take the time to ensure the colors were correct. If you paid $27,000 for a car and it arrived with the wrong color (and was impossible to resell) you might be a bit pissed when the dealer tells you to fuck off. This all depends on the details, but if he promised one flower, and delivered something significantly different, he is the one who screwed up, and the customer deserves restitution. [/QUOTE] True…if it was significantly different, and if it was in the contract that there be no last-minute emergency substitutions. As I recall from my own wedding, my floral contract had such a clause, to protect the florist in the case of a supply problem, which I guess is not unheard of, especially when you are choosing rare blooms. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/47 "2007-10-17T16:07:02Z")
[QUOTE=Richard Parker] Why not? How much do you think the entire wedding cost? How much is getting a once-in-a-lifetime event just right worth? [/QUOTE] In _flowers_? At _best_, only what her mother-in-law paid for them. Period. Any “pain and suffering” she endured, she brought entirely upon herself. With a completely different attitude about the significance of how the tables _looked_, as opposed to how joyous the occasion was and how much unmitigated fun your guests were having, she wouldn’t even _have_ any “pain and suffering”. Were there _actual_ damages? Hell, I don’t know, but possibly. The one picture I saw of the bouquet on the table with the guest cards in the above-posted link, showed a gorgeous, full vase of perfectly healthy flowers. Were they pink instead of burgundy? Again, hard to tell. They look white in that picture to me, but lighting could have contributed to that appearance. Should she sue to get a refund for not getting what her mother-in-law paid for? Well, if there’s truth to that claim, then hell yes. But the _entire_ freaking wedding reception wasn’t “ruined”. That’s just absurd. I don’t care if the entire event cost half a million dollars; the _flowers_ didn’t “ruin” anything, her _attitude_ did. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/48 "2007-10-17T16:17:24Z")
Hello Again: > [@](#): > > Well, maybe the amount she is seeking is unreasonable, but her cause of action is not. Perhaps, but I think that the amount indicates that rather than seeking redress for her actual problem, she’s either a) vengefully trying to put the florist out of business, or b) trying to use the legal system as a source of revenue. Therefore, I align myself with the side that opposes the bride. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/49 "2007-10-17T16:22:57Z")
[QUOTE=cmkeller] Hello Again: Perhaps, but I think that the amount indicates that rather than seeking redress for her actual problem, she’s either a) vengefully trying to put the florist out of business, or b) trying to use the legal system as a source of revenue. Therefore, I align myself with the side that opposes the bride. [/QUOTE] I do think that, morally and perhaps legally speaking, she might be entitled to compensation for the flowers themselves. Trying to get the whole wedding paid for this way, though…not good. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/50 "2007-10-17T16:25:20Z")
[QUOTE=Cheesesteak] One might also note that the florist took a $27,000 order for flowers, I would hope that someone agreeing to such a big order would take the time to ensure the colors were correct. If you paid $27,000 for a car and it arrived with the wrong color (and was impossible to resell) you might be a bit pissed when the dealer tells you to fuck off. [/quote] I agree, but I would say that this situation is equivalent to buying a $100,000 luxury car. Every last thing about that car should be perfect. If the brake pedal is a little squeaky, the dealer should fix it immediately without any delays or excuses. By the way, I pit big fancy weddings in general. It seems ridiculous to blow what could easily be the down payment on a house in one afternoon. That said, most people spend money on frivolous things. Ms. Glatt is apparently a litigation associate at Kelley Drye and graduated Fordham Law in 2002. That would probably make her a 5th year associate. According to this chart – [http://www.infirmation.com/shared/lss/one-payscale.tcl?employer\_id=NY1820](http://www.infirmation.com/shared/lss/one-payscale.tcl?employer_id=NY1820) – Kelley Drye paid 5th year associates $210k per year (plus possible bonus) as of March 2006. If I had to guess, I would say that her husband; her family; and her husband’s family probably aren’t too poor either. So if they want to blow their money in this way, I can’t really blame them. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/51 "2007-10-17T16:30:35Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] In _flowers_? At _best_, only what her mother-in-law paid for them. Period. Any “pain and suffering” she endured, she brought entirely upon herself. With a completely different attitude about the significance of how the tables _looked_, as opposed to how joyous the occasion was and how much unmitigated fun your guests were having, she wouldn’t even _have_ any “pain and suffering”. Were there _actual_ damages? Hell, I don’t know, but possibly. The one picture I saw of the bouquet on the table with the guest cards in the above-posted link, showed a gorgeous, full vase of perfectly healthy flowers. Were they pink instead of burgundy? Again, hard to tell. They look white in that picture to me, but lighting could have contributed to that appearance. Should she sue to get a refund for not getting what her mother-in-law paid for? Well, if there’s truth to that claim, then hell yes. But the _entire_ freaking wedding reception wasn’t “ruined”. That’s just absurd. I don’t care if the entire event cost half a million dollars; the _flowers_ didn’t “ruin” anything, her _attitude_ did. [/QUOTE] So your position seems to be that people cannot contract to have their idiosyncratic desires met because if that contract is breached and their idiosyncratic desires are not met it is not the fault of the breaching party. You might want to live in a world with that as the legal rule. I do not. And fortunately, we live in the world I want. If I want to pay $27,000 to get the exact right flowers for one of the most important days in my life, I ought to be able to spend that money safe in the knowledge that if I get intentionally screwed\* I will be compensated for the fact that my entire event was ruined–so long as it is very clear that I am this ridiculously concerned about some stupid flowers. And I think that must have been very clear to the florist. \*Since we seem to be playing fast-and-loose with the facts, and we don’t know whether it was intentional or not. ---
**Author:** ![Waenara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@Waenara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waenara)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/52 "2007-10-17T16:30:59Z")
[QUOTE=Sarahfeena] True…if it was significantly different, and if it was in the contract that there be no last-minute emergency substitutions. As I recall from my own wedding, my floral contract had such a clause, to protect the florist in the case of a supply problem, which I guess is not unheard of, especially when you are choosing rare blooms. [/QUOTE] In this case, I think the florist wasn’t too bright, as they didn’t have a written contract. Even if I trusted a client, for $27,000 I’d make damn sure there was something in writing. From the link in the OP: > [@](#): > > Mr. Arakas, said yesterday that he had many satisfied customers. He said that he provided the flowers for Ms. Glatt’s sister’s wedding the year before, and that he did not ask Ms. Glatt to sign a contract because he trusted her. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/53 "2007-10-17T16:56:17Z")
[QUOTE=Richard Parker] So your position seems to be that people cannot contract to have their idiosyncratic desires met because if that contract is breached and their idiosyncratic desires are not met it is not the fault of the breaching party. You might want to live in a world with that as the legal rule. I do not. And fortunately, we live in the world I want. [/quote] Where in the hell do you get that from what I posted? I very clearly said that she may be entitled to recompense for ACTUAL damages, and that’s IF she really and truly didn’t get what she ordered and her mother-in-law paid for. WE DON’T KNOW THAT YET. The florist categorically denies that. But I still contend that an ENTIRE event cannot be “ruined” because the color of floral centerpieces may have been slightly off. My bridal bouquet wasn’t at all what I was expecting, but a) it was still lovely, and b) it didn’t fucking MATTER. I was getting married to the man I adore. I was surrounded by family and close friends who were enthusiastically sharing our joy. I would be _shocked_ if any one of them could even tell you (without looking back at the pictures) exactly what kind of flowers I even had, let alone how they contributed or not to the party. The very idea that the _entire_ reception was utterly ruined beyond repair because of _flower color_ is simply bullshit, in my opinion. She may have a right to be angry with the florist for allegedly not providing what she ordered, but if _she_ let that ruin her wedding day, then she’s an ASS of the highest order. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/54 "2007-10-17T17:00:58Z")
[QUOTE=Waenara] In this case, I think the florist wasn’t too bright, as they didn’t have a written contract. Even if I trusted a client, for $27,000 I’d make damn sure there was something in writing. From the link in the OP: [/QUOTE] :eek: I didn’t catch that. That is unbelievable. I think I spent $600 on my flowers, and I had a contract. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/55 "2007-10-17T17:14:14Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] Where in the hell do you get that from what I posted? I very clearly said that she may be entitled to recompense for ACTUAL damages, and that’s IF she really and truly didn’t get what she ordered and her mother-in-law paid for. WE DON’T KNOW THAT YET. The florist categorically denies that. But I still contend that an ENTIRE event cannot be “ruined” because the color of floral centerpieces may have been slightly off. My bridal bouquet wasn’t at all what I was expecting, but a) it was still lovely, and b) it didn’t fucking MATTER. I was getting married to the man I adore. I was surrounded by family and close friends who were enthusiastically sharing our joy. I would be _shocked_ if any one of them could even tell you (without looking back at the pictures) exactly what kind of flowers I even had, let alone how they contributed or not to the party. The very idea that the _entire_ reception was utterly ruined beyond repair because of _flower color_ is simply bullshit, in my opinion. She may have a right to be angry with the florist for allegedly not providing what she ordered, but if _she_ let that ruin her wedding day, then she’s an ASS of the highest order. [/QUOTE] You didn’t understand a word of what I wrote. Perhaps someone else will explain it to you. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/56 "2007-10-17T17:30:00Z")
[QUOTE=Richard Parker] You didn’t understand a word of what I wrote. Perhaps someone else will explain it to you. [/QUOTE] Here, I’ll help: idiosyncrasy \ˌi-dē-ə-ˈsiŋ-krə-sē\ – 1 a: a peculiarity of constitution or temperament : an individualizing characteristic or quality b: individual hypersensitiveness (as to a drug or food) 2: characteristic peculiarity (as of temperament); broadly : eccentricity ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/57 "2007-10-17T17:36:18Z")
[QUOTE=Hello Again] Well, why don’t shelve your pleasant comments about the way Jewish people look and we’ll be square. [QUOTE=Randy Seltzer] Um, I don’t want to put words in anybody’s mouth\*, but I’m assuming **JohnBck** found her picture elsewhere (she does, in fact, have quite a wide nose), but chose to post a more verbose link that didn’t happen to have a picture. I would never have associated her maiden name with Judaism…[/SIZE] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SkipMagic] Off to the Pit. [/QUOTE] [/QUOTE] First off, your knee-jerk assumptions are wildly off the mark. Back them up, you weasel-brained shit rake. SHOW me where I used the term _jewish people_ in the OP. It’s either that, or you’re going to offer some solid proof of your ability to read thoughts across computer networks. Mr. Seltzer is correct, her mug (with the 2 car garage sized honker) was plastered all over yesterday’s NY tabloids. I opted to link the text-based story from the more reputable NYT - as to not add the NY Post’s or Daily News’ trademark hype to the OP. But even her photo hadn’t been in the tabloids, TokyoPlayer offered an internet link to her photo in post 6, an hour and a half prior to your baseless assumption the OP was either anti-semitic, or perpetuating stereotypes. The way I see it, you can either retract your insinuations; no harm no foul - or fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/58 "2007-10-17T18:02:58Z")
**Hello Again** apologized, Johnny boy. > [@Hello Again](#): > > Truthfully it was that link which prompted my ire. As it was misdirected at the OP, I apologize. ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/59 "2007-10-17T19:13:21Z")
[QUOTE=Anaamika] **Hello Again** apologized, Johnny boy. [/QUOTE] Boy? What is that, some kind of slant against against African Americans? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965/60 "2007-10-17T19:17:44Z")
[QUOTE=JohnBckWLD] Boy? What is that, some kind of slant against against African Americans? :smack: [/QUOTE] [hijack] You reminded me of a Barney Miller episode. In it, they arrest some guy who is convinced everyone in Authority is a clone. He is walked past Harris, the sole black guy, and yells “CLONE!” And Harris turns and quick-as-a-blink, responds, suspiciously, “What is that, light brown?” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-lawyers-marry/422965.md?page=4)