# When Mods mess up - It's Miller's time
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-mods-mess-up-its-millers-time/761508
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**Created:** [August 1, 2016, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-mods-mess-up-its-millers-time/761508 "2016-08-01T22:21:42Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)
#### Post date: [August 1, 2016, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-mods-mess-up-its-millers-time/761508/1 "2016-08-01T22:21:42Z")
As instructed in the ‘When Mod’s mess up thread’ - its stated to make a new ATMB thread when Mod’s don’t follow the rules -
So, what say you about this -
> [@Is transexuality a mental illness?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-transexuality-a-mental-illness/761412/17):
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> ETA: As always, ignore anything **DerekMichaels** has to say on the subject. He’s got absolutely no fucking clue what he’s talking about.
Posted in GD ?
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### Author:  [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)
#### Post date: [August 1, 2016, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-mods-mess-up-its-millers-time/761508/2 "2016-08-01T22:41:54Z")
Thread in question, post #16:
[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=799972](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=799972)
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### Author:  [@The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Great_Unwashed)
#### Post date: [August 1, 2016, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-mods-mess-up-its-millers-time/761508/3 "2016-08-01T23:25:45Z")
I’m torn between throwing Miller to the dogs for breaking the board rules and buying him a beer.
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### Author:  [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)
#### Post date: [August 1, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-mods-mess-up-its-millers-time/761508/4 "2016-08-01T23:42:26Z")
> [@The\_Great\_Unwashed](#):
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> I’m torn between throwing Miller to the dogs for breaking the board rules and buying him a beer.
You could do both!
And yeah, that’s an obvious personal insult.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [August 1, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-mods-mess-up-its-millers-time/761508/5 "2016-08-01T23:59:44Z")
Yep. Bad Miller. Bad!!
But I’ll buy him a beer, too.
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### Author:  [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2016, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-mods-mess-up-its-millers-time/761508/6 "2016-08-02T00:34:49Z")
You know what makes the Dope different from the real world? In the real world the truth is a defense.
tomndebb, you modded in that thread and didn’t call out Miller? WTF?
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### Author:  [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2016, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-mods-mess-up-its-millers-time/761508/7 "2016-08-02T00:44:15Z")
Life is too short for cheap beer. High Life, or no.
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### Author:  [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2016, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-mods-mess-up-its-millers-time/761508/8 "2016-08-02T01:22:54Z")
And I got modded a few posts down for pointing out pretty much the same thing, only going into a little more detail. What gives, guys?
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### Author:  [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-mods-mess-up-its-millers-time/761508/9 "2016-08-02T01:59:49Z")
Miller essentially called him ignorant. That’s verboten now?
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### Author:  [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2016, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-mods-mess-up-its-millers-time/761508/10 "2016-08-02T02:04:07Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#):
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> You know what makes the Dope different from the real world? In the real world the truth is a defense.
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> tomndebb, you modded in that thread and didn’t call out Miller? WTF?
Per **Ed Zotti** :
> [@](#):
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> It’s not the responsibility of one mod to chastise another. When a mod violates the rules or otherwise behaves problematically, that’s a matter for me to deal with as site administrator.
[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19485085&postcount=1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19485085&postcount=1)
Hence this thread.
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### Author:  [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2016, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-mods-mess-up-its-millers-time/761508/11 "2016-08-02T02:31:38Z")
> [@cochrane](#):
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> Per **Ed Zotti** :
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> [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19485085&postcount=1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19485085&postcount=1)
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> Hence this thread.
Miller was clearly posting as a member, not acting as a moderator. Mods have always made that distinction. Ed’s post also makes the distinction about mods acting as mods:
> [@](#):
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> Suffice it to say mods aren’t supposed to use their mod powers to give themselves special treatment.
Saying that a moderator can’t be called out when posting as a member is the direct opposite of not allowing mods special treatment for acting as mods.
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2016, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-mods-mess-up-its-millers-time/761508/12 "2016-08-02T03:06:16Z")
That was pretty cleary over the line. I should have been much more restrained. My apologies to the board, and to **Derek** in particular.
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### Author:  [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2016, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-mods-mess-up-its-millers-time/761508/13 "2016-08-02T03:36:57Z")
Are you saying no to the proffered beers upthread, then?
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2016, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-mods-mess-up-its-millers-time/761508/14 "2016-08-02T03:51:45Z")
> [@Bone](#):
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> Miller essentially called him ignorant. That’s verboten now?
“He has absolutely no clue what he is talking about”. Does that sound like civil discourse to you? And the mods are going to say context is everything, so even calling someone simply "ignorant’ can be over the line. In fact, “he is completely ignorant”, which is the more civil way of saying what **Miller** said is still an insult. No?
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### Author:  [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2016, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-mods-mess-up-its-millers-time/761508/15 "2016-08-02T05:08:25Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#):
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> Miller was clearly posting as a member, not acting as a moderator. Mods have always made that distinction. Ed’s post also makes the distinction about mods acting as mods:
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> Saying that a moderator can’t be called out when posting as a member is the direct opposite of not allowing mods special treatment for acting as mods.
**Ed** also said:
> [@](#):
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> The mods are expected to abide by SDMB rules just like all other members.
And:
> [@](#):
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> When a mod violates the rules or otherwise behaves problematically, that’s a matter for me to deal with as site administrator.
It seems to me he didn’t make a distinction between a mod acting in his official capacity and posting as a regular member. Whether he abuses his mod abilities to give himself special privileges or insults another poster outside of the Pit, **Ed** still assumes the responsibility to call him out, and not another moderator. So, to me, “It’s not the responsibility of one mod to chastise another.” means exactly what he says. If that’s giving special treatment, it’s for the purpose of holding mods to a higher standard than members, IMO.
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### Author:  [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2016, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-mods-mess-up-its-millers-time/761508/16 "2016-08-02T05:32:46Z")
You know the penalty for not giving a balanced effort at moderation…The nose in the book!!!
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### Author:  [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2016, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-mods-mess-up-its-millers-time/761508/17 "2016-08-02T05:40:18Z")
I’m somewhat autistic and am genuinely unclear about the rules. “Liar” is prohibited but there are phrases that seem synonomous to “liar” to me, but which are OK.
> [@](#):
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> He’s got absolutely no fucking clue what he’s talking about.
People who have no clue cannot prevaricate deliberately, so this is not an accusation of lying. Is it an accusation of stupidity? I have absolutely no fucking clue about Asian prehistory, nor about how to use Facebook from a smartphone, but don’t consider myself “stupid.”
Case dismissed.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2016, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-mods-mess-up-its-millers-time/761508/18 "2016-08-02T06:20:22Z")
I’m assuming this is the post **Miller** was referring to:
> [@](#):
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> to the OP; absolutely, yes. Transgender ideology is really an attempt to eliminate all stigma against homosexuality by saying that we can all be any gender we want at any time, and thus makes the concept of a problem with same-sex relationships moot. Its also a way out of being gay, for some who can’t handle being gay.
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> It’s well intentioned in that it seeks to help homosexuals, who are a legit borne situation, but there are other ways to do that. Transgender ideology merely is just a new cause celebre for the left since most of their other ones are largely won (race & sexual orientation).
The OP’s title was: **Is transexuality a mental illness?**
I don’t think the idea was not that Miller was accusing that poster of lying, but that he was insulting the poster. There is a difference between “none of that is correct” and “you have no fucking clue what you are talking about”. The first phrase attacks the post, the second attacks the poster. Not to mention that the phrase was preceded by another insult: “As always, ignore anything DerekMichaels has to say on the subject”
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### Author:  [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2016, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-mods-mess-up-its-millers-time/761508/19 "2016-08-02T07:01:29Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> “He has absolutely no clue what he is talking about”. Does that sound like civil discourse to you? And the mods are going to say context is everything, so even calling someone simply "ignorant’ can be over the line. In fact, “he is completely ignorant”, which is the more civil way of saying what **Miller** said is still an insult. No?
I’m completely ignorant in many areas. I don’t find the identification of that to be insulting. It can be considered uncivil - but in that YMMV.
-You have no idea what you are talking about
-you have no fucking idea what you are talking about
-you have no idea what you are fucking talking about
The first should be okay. The others are borderline - just diferent emphasis IMO.
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### Author:  [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)
#### Post date: [August 2, 2016, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-mods-mess-up-its-millers-time/761508/20 "2016-08-02T10:47:13Z")
> [@Miller](#):
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> That was pretty cleary over the line. I should have been much more restrained. My apologies to the board, and to **Derek** in particular.
On behalf of the board, apology accepted.
We can close this now.
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