# When Republicans finally accept that climate change is real, how will they blame Democrats for it? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 14, 2023, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-republicans-finally-accept-that-climate-change-is-real-how-will-they-blame-democrats-for-it/987043 "2023-07-14T18:52:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-republicans-finally-accept-that-climate-change-is-real-how-will-they-blame-democrats-for-it/987043/81 "2023-07-16T04:03:08Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > For 300 million years levels averaged around 2,000 parts per million and temps were just fine animals were just fine, as a matter of fact it was all doing considerably better than it is now. Nothing on earth is showing any ill signs from carbon, on the contrary everything seems to be doing better. Burning fossil fuels increases biodiversity and is healthy for animal life folks, you heard it here first. There’s no problem, we can all go home now. And probably scrap all these alternative energy and nuclear power plants, then transition back to coal power plants. Everything seems to be doing better thanks to our friend burnt carbon. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-republicans-finally-accept-that-climate-change-is-real-how-will-they-blame-democrats-for-it/987043/82 "2023-07-16T04:20:29Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > Everything seems to be doing better thanks to our friend burnt carbon. Exactly! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-republicans-finally-accept-that-climate-change-is-real-how-will-they-blame-democrats-for-it/987043/83 "2023-07-16T04:22:37Z")
The _planet_ is _fine_; the people and animals are fucked! And of course, the resident fool does not know what sarcasm is. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-republicans-finally-accept-that-climate-change-is-real-how-will-they-blame-democrats-for-it/987043/84 "2023-07-16T04:25:28Z")
I think I preferred this being the Sammy Show. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-republicans-finally-accept-that-climate-change-is-real-how-will-they-blame-democrats-for-it/987043/85 "2023-07-16T04:40:18Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > The _planet_ is _fine_; the people and animals are fucked! > > And of course, the resident fool does not know what sarcasm is. This should all be part of the equation we should be seeing. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-republicans-finally-accept-that-climate-change-is-real-how-will-they-blame-democrats-for-it/987043/86 "2023-07-16T04:54:27Z")
The point was that you are asking for something like the Drake equation, [_it is not a very useful one._](https://www.space.com/42739-stop-using-the-drake-equation.html) As the short video I linked about Professor Richard Alley, The calculations are that the warming is not as beneficial as you expect, that you press on some items that are missing, is like waiting for the most likely harmful effects to come, while not preparing at all… _And at the same time betting that the missing items will not be found to make the situation worse._ It is a very foolish bet, considering that the same ones that give you this “debating” tactic also have an interest on keeping things to remain the same. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-republicans-finally-accept-that-climate-change-is-real-how-will-they-blame-democrats-for-it/987043/87 "2023-07-16T05:05:46Z")
And… Care once again to tell us who told you that “Nothing on earth is showing any ill signs” from atmospheric carbon increases? ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-republicans-finally-accept-that-climate-change-is-real-how-will-they-blame-democrats-for-it/987043/88 "2023-07-16T11:42:49Z")
Everything is fine. > **[Ecosystem Collapse and Climate Change](https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-71330-0)** > > The book Ecosystem Collapse and Climate Change presents new evidence on the rapid emergence of ecosystem collapse in response to climate change. [https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1365-2486.2010.02393.x?casa\_token=UIbYnGyOg9sAAAAA%3ACoVmyPpQZ-7w9kgeq4eO0MdF5ujzsWa2T7e9vKAiH893E68C5mokLfHfjnPy2hUJf2vuWBypP\_9t9Ijf](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1365-2486.2010.02393.x?casa_token=UIbYnGyOg9sAAAAA%3ACoVmyPpQZ-7w9kgeq4eO0MdF5ujzsWa2T7e9vKAiH893E68C5mokLfHfjnPy2hUJf2vuWBypP_9t9Ijf) > **[Impacts of global climate change on the floras of oceanic islands –...](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1433831915000128?casa_token=kwxLSFgUT60AAAAA:jAzHonf28K3N6Yn7v_C11DZBTbrrv9PaZ7KkDPK2_Ks2fcRwhw10Znh_8AhOFbxk1QyC_YEcN20)** > > Recent climate projections indicate substantial environmental alterations in oceanic island regions during the 21st century, setting up profound threa… > **[The worrying future of the endemic flora of a tropical mountain range under...](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0367253015001243?casa_token=ZWP3wPYEE7sAAAAA:DL6Rc4c8PN-OrlyruU7uA05W0xBZt6eIBBmlWYnX8Gl4N444YOw3J7CnfQ9eU4YlxiJu0z99ESk)** > > Current global warming causes range changes and affects the distribution of species. Microendemics are the first affected and the most threatened by c… ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-republicans-finally-accept-that-climate-change-is-real-how-will-they-blame-democrats-for-it/987043/89 "2023-07-16T19:27:01Z")
“Those eggheads know nothing. My backyard looks just the same as it did 10 years ago. The ecosystem is fine. Case closed.” ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-republicans-finally-accept-that-climate-change-is-real-how-will-they-blame-democrats-for-it/987043/90 "2023-07-16T21:09:38Z")
Surely you’re not suggesting that @HoneyBadgerDC is not being sincere when they say they’re interested in the science. I’m shocked! ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-republicans-finally-accept-that-climate-change-is-real-how-will-they-blame-democrats-for-it/987043/91 "2023-07-17T01:05:40Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > For example the other day I was looking up how the extra carbon has affected algae and plankton levels. It gave a favorable report… Is it favorable from the perspective of the algae, or from the perspective of everything impacted by the algae? > **[Rising CO2 levels in the ocean could benefit toxic algae, study says - Carbon...](https://www.carbonbrief.org/rising-co2-levels-ocean-could-benefit-toxic-algae/)** > > Rising levels of CO2 in the ocean could spark blooms of toxic algae capable of causing harm to marine life and human health, a new study suggests. > [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > If you ask it how it has affected forests and farms, it is all favorable intertwined with a few local disasters from too much nitrogen things like that. Yes, increased CO2 does increase the yields of certain crops, but not all of them. And there are studies that show that the increased yields are offset by reduced nutritional value. And while having longer growing seasons in areas that used to get too cold may increase yields, that same sort of temperature increase makes it _too hot_ to continue growing in previously temperate zones. > **[CO2: Friend or Foe to Agriculture? - FactCheck.org](https://www.factcheck.org/2017/08/co2-friend-foe-agriculture/)** > > Rep. Lamar Smith said climate change "alarmists" ignore the "positive impacts" of more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, such as increased food production and quality. But the impact of increased CO2 levels on agriculture is more complicated than... The science may be nuanced, but it isn’t _favorable_. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-republicans-finally-accept-that-climate-change-is-real-how-will-they-blame-democrats-for-it/987043/92 "2023-07-17T01:12:04Z")
I suspect HB’s knowledge of agriculture is confined to cherry-picking. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-republicans-finally-accept-that-climate-change-is-real-how-will-they-blame-democrats-for-it/987043/93 "2023-07-17T01:29:05Z")
slow clap on dat. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-republicans-finally-accept-that-climate-change-is-real-how-will-they-blame-democrats-for-it/987043/94 "2023-07-17T01:46:57Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > of We actually have about 300 million years of History to back up the claim that things grow better with more CO2. Talk about cherry picking. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-republicans-finally-accept-that-climate-change-is-real-how-will-they-blame-democrats-for-it/987043/95 "2023-07-17T02:09:29Z")
How about this cherry pick if the [FactCheck.org](http://FactCheck.org) link, just above, was too tl;dr for you… “Overall, every expert we spoke with said the net impact of CO2 and climate change will leave crop production and quality worse off in the future, not better.” ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-republicans-finally-accept-that-climate-change-is-real-how-will-they-blame-democrats-for-it/987043/96 "2023-07-17T03:09:12Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > “Overall, every expert we spoke with said the net impact of CO2 and climate change will leave crop production and quality worse off in the future, not better.” I will certainly look into this. I seem to be getting very different results. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-republicans-finally-accept-that-climate-change-is-real-how-will-they-blame-democrats-for-it/987043/97 "2023-07-17T03:27:28Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > The science may be nuanced, but it isn’t _favorable_. There are some good points in the articles but they are all classic examples of what I am complaining about. Weak science, weak studies and speculation. Even if we accept them at their word it looks like 700 PPM would be a very acceptable number to stay below. This buys us a little time to get alternative fuel sources established without destroying society in the meantime. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-republicans-finally-accept-that-climate-change-is-real-how-will-they-blame-democrats-for-it/987043/98 "2023-07-17T03:30:44Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > it looks like 700 PPM would be a very acceptable number to stay below. What happened to, > [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > For 300 million years levels averaged around 2,000 parts per million and temps were just fine animals were just fine, as a matter of fact it was all doing considerably better than it is now. Nothing on earth is showing any ill signs from carbon, on the contrary everything seems to be doing better. ??? ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-republicans-finally-accept-that-climate-change-is-real-how-will-they-blame-democrats-for-it/987043/99 "2023-07-17T04:21:00Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > doing I guess you’d have to ask the dinosaurs I have no idea ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-republicans-finally-accept-that-climate-change-is-real-how-will-they-blame-democrats-for-it/987043/100 "2023-07-17T04:26:45Z")
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