# When Texas Cheerleaders Go Bad. ==:o **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 4, 2007, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-texas-cheerleaders-go-bad-o/386747 "2007-01-04T23:51:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-texas-cheerleaders-go-bad-o/386747/21 "2007-01-05T14:22:41Z")
[QUOTE=Earthworm Jim] [Tangent] We’ve got kids in Georgia being tried as adults & put on the sex offender registry for life over similar incidents, and these girls (barely) get a 15 day suspension?! There ain’t no justice. [/Tangent] [/QUOTE] Sex offenders? Since when has sticking a chocolate dick in your mouth and flashing your panties been a sex offence? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-texas-cheerleaders-go-bad-o/386747/22 "2007-01-05T14:33:39Z")
[QUOTE=Colophon] Sex offenders? Since when has sticking a chocolate dick in your mouth and flashing your panties been a sex offence? 😕 [/QUOTE] Well, my uncle sure caught some flak for doing it down at the elementary school. ---
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-texas-cheerleaders-go-bad-o/386747/23 "2007-01-05T14:37:58Z")
[QUOTE=Hypno-Toad] Well, my uncle sure caught some flak for doing it down at the elementary school. [/QUOTE] 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Subway\_Prophet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecb155/32.png) [@Subway\_Prophet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subway_Prophet)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-texas-cheerleaders-go-bad-o/386747/24 "2007-01-05T16:44:06Z")
I’m [del]probably[/del] definitely going to regret this, but… What the hell is a “chocolate tampon?” ---
**Author:** ![Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swallowed_My_Cellphone)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-texas-cheerleaders-go-bad-o/386747/25 "2007-01-05T16:55:39Z")
This stands out to me: > [@](#): > > **…leading five coaches to quit in the last three years** If **FIVE** coaches resigned from their positions due to these girls, then I"m thinking the “bad behaviour” has a whole lot more to it than just the picutres that finally got them disciplined. For five adults (presumably experienced with teens) felt they had to quit their jobs… there’s a lot more to this pattern of bad behaviour. ---
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-texas-cheerleaders-go-bad-o/386747/26 "2007-01-05T16:58:27Z")
[QUOTE=Subway Prophet] I’m [del]probably[/del] definitely going to regret this, but… What the hell is a “chocolate tampon?” [/QUOTE] Band Name??? I’m so sorry. The temptation was too great and I’m so weak. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-texas-cheerleaders-go-bad-o/386747/27 "2007-01-05T17:04:12Z")
[QUOTE=Swallowed My Cellphone] This stands out to me:If **FIVE** coaches resigned from their positions due to these girls, then I"m thinking the “bad behaviour” has a whole lot more to it than just the picutres that finally got them disciplined. For five adults (presumably experienced with teens) felt they had to quit their jobs… there’s a lot more to this pattern of bad behaviour. [/QUOTE] … particularly since this means the girls have had this sense of empowerment since they were sophomores… ---
**Author:** ![Sunrazor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sunrazor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunrazor)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-texas-cheerleaders-go-bad-o/386747/28 "2007-01-05T17:06:40Z")
[QUOTE=Monty] I’d have immediately canned the cheerleader who mouthed off when warned about further misbehavior. The ridiculous behavior that they were doing was in school cheerleading uniforms, thus representing both the school and their cheerleading team. [/QUOTE] In uniform or “civvies,” the girls are cheerleaders, and as such they represent the school. Somewhere along the line, Americans have gone soft on the whole idea that people represent to the rest of the world the group of which they are part. I represent my family (Mom, Dad, brothers, wife, sons, etc.) and my employer, my community and my Kiwanis Club; whatever I do reflects on all of those groups, regardless of what I’m wearing or where I am. I learned that from my parents and in junior high school. To fail to teach a child that is to fail as a parent and as a teacher. ---
**Author:** ![Earthworm\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f07891/32.png) [@Earthworm\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earthworm_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-texas-cheerleaders-go-bad-o/386747/29 "2007-01-05T17:07:06Z")
[QUOTE=Subway Prophet] I’m [del]probably[/del] definitely going to regret this, but… What the hell is a “chocolate tampon?” [/QUOTE] I’m thinking it’s either: A) A chocolate-covered (unused, one hopes!) tampon - the idea being the unsuspecting victim will merrily eat it, getting an unpleasant surprise. -OR- B) A carefully re-packaged applicator which has had it’s intended payload replaced with rich creamery chocolate. The idea being the unsuspecting victim will merrily…um…implant it, getting an unpleasant surprise. Granted I am not experienced in the finer points of tampon sabotage, so I may be wildy wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Sal\_Ammoniac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@Sal\_Ammoniac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sal_Ammoniac)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-texas-cheerleaders-go-bad-o/386747/30 "2007-01-05T17:16:02Z")
And this made the national news why, exactly? What a bunch of trivial fluff. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-texas-cheerleaders-go-bad-o/386747/31 "2007-01-05T17:34:18Z")
[QUOTE=Subway Prophet] I’m [del]probably[/del] definitely going to regret this, but… What the hell is a “chocolate tampon?” [/QUOTE] I’ve taken one for the team and did some research on this. Might I say – yikes. From the article: > [@](#): > > Among the pranks they allegedly pulled on Ward: giving her what the report described as a “chocolate tampon” My first thought was “Ok…I guess it’s some sort of novelty confection. Kind of like those chocolate wangs or boobs you can get at your local erotic bakery”. Not quite. According to the folks over at the Howard Stern and [rotten.com](http://rotten.com) message boards, giving someone a “chocolate tampon” involves holding them down and shoving a tampon up their ass. Ok, _now_ we can officially call for these girls to be arrested. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-texas-cheerleaders-go-bad-o/386747/32 "2007-01-05T17:43:20Z")
[QUOTE=Colophon] Sex offenders? Since when has sticking a chocolate dick in your mouth and flashing your panties been a sex offence? 😕 [/QUOTE] Yeah! And how can I get them to do that for me? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-texas-cheerleaders-go-bad-o/386747/33 "2007-01-05T18:04:12Z")
Cheerleaders who go bad are the best kind of cheerleaders. Mmmm… cheerleaders gone bad. ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-texas-cheerleaders-go-bad-o/386747/34 "2007-01-05T18:20:44Z")
[QUOTE=Swallowed My Cellphone] This stands out to me:If **FIVE** coaches resigned from their positions due to these girls, then I"m thinking the “bad behaviour” has a whole lot more to it than just the picutres that finally got them disciplined. For five adults (presumably experienced with teens) felt they had to quit their jobs… there’s a lot more to this pattern of bad behaviour. [/QUOTE] I agree that there is probably more to it than what is quoted in the story. I’m sure it’s been unceasing disrespectful behavior that just culminated with the pictures and the tampon incident, etc. (which I think, if true, is the most indicative of all if the girls felt powerful enough to assault a teacher!). But, I don’t think ‘cheerleading coach’ is an actual job. Correct me if I’m wrong–and maybe things are different in Texas–but the coach, I think, is a teacher or administrator who takes on the additional duty of coaching the girls. I don’t think it’s a paid, separate position. ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-texas-cheerleaders-go-bad-o/386747/35 "2007-01-05T18:31:26Z")
[QUOTE=Colophon] What, no link to the pictures? [/QUOTE] you could check out the website with leather dot com, and check for the “cheerleaders”. It’s a sports website, but just to make sure I didn’t put a direct link. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-texas-cheerleaders-go-bad-o/386747/36 "2007-01-05T19:08:25Z")
[QUOTE=Sunrazor] In uniform or “civvies,” the girls are cheerleaders, and as such they represent the school. Somewhere along the line, Americans have gone soft on the whole idea that people represent to the rest of the world the group of which they are part. I represent my family (Mom, Dad, brothers, wife, sons, etc.) and my employer, my community and my Kiwanis Club; whatever I do reflects on all of those groups, regardless of what I’m wearing or where I am. I learned that from my parents and in junior high school. To fail to teach a child that is to fail as a parent and as a teacher. [/QUOTE] Well, actually, no, I disagree. Just because you work or go to school, it doesn’t mean you represent your school or your work. High school and below isn’t voluntary. You aren’t there because you want to be there. Same with work, really. You may have “voluntarily” signed up for a job but most people work because they have to in order to keep themselves in food, shelter and clothing. It’s hardly a free association. Now, if you represent something or someone it seems to me that you must at some level freely buy into the values, etc., of whatever you’re representing. And there’s no evidence that students at a school or the workers at a firm are doing that. No, your notion sounds more to me like a rationale for a power grab … an institution or organization one is associated with, however involuntarily, has power of you in your free time as well as when you are directly associated with them. It all sounds distinctly repressive and un-American to me. ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-texas-cheerleaders-go-bad-o/386747/37 "2007-01-05T19:19:35Z")
Actually, from the age of 16 on, school _is_ voluntary in Kansas. As far as I know, kids have the option to “drop out” of school at 16 if they so choose, but I think they must then go get a job. Since most jobs worth having today require at least a High School diploma, the point is somewhat moot. ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-texas-cheerleaders-go-bad-o/386747/38 "2007-01-05T19:28:53Z")
Maybe I’m clueless. but someone tell me why this story is making national headlines. Same thing with the whole Donald Trump/Rosie O’Donnell thing too … what’s the big deal? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-texas-cheerleaders-go-bad-o/386747/39 "2007-01-05T19:30:31Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > Well, actually, no, I disagree. Just because you work or go to school, it doesn’t mean you represent your school or your work. High school and below isn’t voluntary. You aren’t there because you want to be there. Same with work, really. You may have “voluntarily” signed up for a job but most people work because they have to in order to keep themselves in food, shelter and clothing. It’s hardly a free association. > > Now, if you represent something or someone it seems to me that you must at some level freely buy into the values, etc., of whatever you’re representing. And there’s no evidence that students at a school or the workers at a firm are doing that. > > No, your notion sounds more to me like a rationale for a power grab … an institution or organization one is associated with, however involuntarily, has power of you in your free time as well as when you are directly associated with them. > > It all sounds distinctly repressive and un-American to me. Well, it’s all repressive and un-American until you do such things in the uniform of a group you DID willingly join (the cheerleading team), on which uniform is prominently displayed the name of your school. In that case, you’re representing both team and school and going out of your way to do so, the affirmative acts being: -putting on the uniform -taking the pictures in question -posting the pictures in a public forum. When you join a group, you choose to represent the group. In this case, the girls willingly joined a group whose purpose was to represent the school as well. I’d be all about vacating the suspensions for the pictures if the girls had been in “civvies.” Expulsion should have been on the table long ago for the insubordination, and certainly for the assault on the teacher (if it was an assault, I’m not sure what “chocolate tampon” means in this case). And I can’t help but editorialize that corporal punishment might have headed some, if not all, of this, at the pass. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-texas-cheerleaders-go-bad-o/386747/40 "2007-01-05T19:39:54Z")
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