# When they quack like a duck **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 9, 2005, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769 "2005-07-09T17:25:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2005, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/21 "2005-07-09T22:39:19Z")
God have mercy on us, we have another “genetic branching” aficianado. We had one of those kooks in here about a year ago, didn’t we? Usualy they have just enough of a brain to not use the same username they post under at SF, but once in awhile they slip. I suspect we’ll have to put up with our most recent “brancher” for the better part of a month. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2005, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/22 "2005-07-09T23:01:18Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I didn’t come here and make a patently obvious racist post. > Context matters. My apologies. I never intended to even imply that you **had** come here to make a patently obvious racist post. > [@](#): > > More sophistry. You give me a single convincing reason why someone who starts a racist screed would then use the word radical in quotes when refering to SF? How about **you** give me a convincing argument about how he started a racist screed in the first place? > [@](#): > > Maybe the guy who wants to ability to keep ‘different people’ out of his community doesn’t really want to keep ‘different people’ out of his community. > Mmmm hmmm. So he doesn’t like people different than him. Wah. That makes him just like 99% of the rest of the people on the planet. I don’t agree with him at all but that doesn’t mean that he can’t have his **own** opinion. Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely abhor any and everything associated with the StormFronters. Perhaps, I say again **perhaps** , he may just really believe this crap. If that **is** the case, wouldn’t your efforts be better used trying to assess his point of view, such as it stands, and then trying to **change** it? You’re making excuses for a person who doesn’t deserve any. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2005, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/23 "2005-07-09T23:04:09Z")
Damn. I previewed and everything. I am **NOT** making excuse for a person that doesn’t deserve any. If I turn out to be wrong, then cool, I was wrong. It won’t be the first OR the last time. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2005, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/24 "2005-07-09T23:14:01Z")
> [@Xploder](#): > > My apologies. I never intended to even imply that you **had** come here to make a patently obvious racist post. You didn’t. The point is, you’re requiring an absurd level of proof for someone who starts a racist OP. > [@Xploder](#): > > How about **you** give me a convincing argument about how he started a racist screed in the first place? He’s a racist. Moreoever, I used the word ‘why’, not ‘how’. Play straight. You have yet to suggest any reason why someone who starts a racist OP would have knowledge of SF and disavow that they were beyond the pale by putting the word radical into hard quotes. > [@Xploder](#): > > So he doesn’t like people different than him. Wah. ~blink~ ~blink blink~ > [@Xploder](#): > > That makes him just like 99% of the rest of the people on the planet. I don’t agree with him at all but that doesn’t mean that he can’t have his **own** opinion. This is really absurd. You’re arguing that someone doesn’t like people who are different from him, and that isn’t a racist position? By the way, don’t paint with your 99% brush. Most of the people I know aren’t racists. And if you too feel that you dislike people who are different from you, well… > [@Xploder](#): > > Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely abhor any and everything associated with the StormFronters. Perhaps, I say again **perhaps** , he may just really believe this crap. This is mind blowing. He might actually believe in racist doctrines, thus, he’s not a racist? > [@Xploder](#): > > If that **is** the case, wouldn’t your efforts be better used trying to assess his point of view, such as it stands, and then trying to **change** it? Nope. If he is a racist he should be banned under the don’t be a jerk rule. NB: IANAM, I am not saying this poster should be banned, mererly opining on the proper treatment of racist filth who post to the SDMB. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2005, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/25 "2005-07-09T23:18:38Z")
[hijack] I’d just like so say, as a reader of the “debate” going on in GD, that I am again seriously impressed by the caliber, structure, depth and comprehensiveness of the counter-arguments being presented by my fellow Dopers. You people never cease to astound me with your eruditeness. As a debate coach, I applaud your arguments and presentation.[/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2005, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/26 "2005-07-09T23:29:11Z")
Hell, it’d be more impressive if we hadn’t done it 100 times. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2005, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/27 "2005-07-09T23:31:15Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > You didn’t. > The point is, you’re requiring an absurd level of proof for someone who starts a racist OP. WHAT level of proof is so absurd? That you show that it IS a racist op? > [@](#): > > He’s a racist. Your opinion doesn’t count. > [@](#): > > Moreoever, I used the word ‘why’, not ‘how’. Play straight. You have yet to suggest any reason why someone who starts a racist OP would have knowledge of SF and disavow that they were beyond the pale by putting the word radical into hard quotes. My apologies yet again. I misread as usual. YOU have yet to suggest that he DID start a racist op. Just because someone puts the word ‘radical’ in quotes does not equate to being a racist. > [@](#): > > This is really absurd. You’re arguing that someone doesn’t like people who are different from him, and that isn’t a racist position? By the way, don’t paint with your 99% brush. Most of the people I know aren’t racists. And if you too feel that you dislike people who are different from you, well… How the hell is that a racist position? I don’t like people that fight in the front yard at the top of their lungs, like my across the street nieghbors. Guess what? They’re a mixed xouple. Does that make me a racist? Of course not. It makes tham a bunch of assholes. I also don’t like people that race their cars around the curve in front of my house, like the people down the street. Guess what? They’re white. Does that make me a racist? No. It makes them a bunch of fucking morons. If you’re trying to call me a racist, come on over and meet my daughters boyfriend who just happens to be black (I’m not) or my OTHER daughters boyfriend who happens to like rap music ( I don’t) or hald the people that my son hamgs out with. Better yet, come on over and I’ll introduse you to my sister-in-law whose boyfriend happends to be black. Or maybe my other sister-in-laws girlfriend (yes she’s gay) who happens to be hispanic. So don’t try and paint me with your… > [@](#): > > And if you too feel that you dislike people who are different from you, well… brush. This is mind blowing. He might actually believe in racist doctrines, thus, he’s not a racist? Nope. If he is a racist he should be banned under the don’t be a jerk rule. [/quote] \*\*So. He **MIGHT** believe in racist doctrines, therefore na him? > [@](#): > > NB: IANAM, I am not saying this poster should be banned, mererly opining on the proper treatment of racist filth who post to the SDMB. You may not be a mod, which is the case, but you DID say ban him. On a side note, All I was trying to say was at least cut the guy a little slack and **TRY AND CHANGE HIS ATTITUDE**. Immediately saying, “Oh, I seem to have seen something similar to this op before and it was posted by some idiot on StormFront and therefore **HE** must be from there also. Let’s ban him.” Is idiotic in the extreme. Fight ignorance, don’t decide in advance that it’s impossible and therefore you won’t even try. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2005, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/28 "2005-07-09T23:34:11Z")
> [@Jonathan Chance](#): > > Hell, it’d be more impressive if we hadn’t done it 100 times. So what does it hurt to do it 101 or even 1001 times? Fighting ignorance does not mean that you just quit at the sight of an op that looks like it’s been done before. If you people (used generically as I have no beef with anyone here) would stick to your guns rather than throw your hands up in the air, perhaps you MIGHT change one or two people. Quitting is for quitters. And just because I absolutely fucking hate smileys, :wally ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2005, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/29 "2005-07-09T23:35:10Z")
> [@Xploder](#): > > WHAT level of proof is so absurd? That you show that it IS a racist op? So an OP that is stating that we should be allowed to keep certain undesirables from living near us so that we may prevent interbreeding is not a racist OP? Again, the level of proof you are requiring is absurd. In any case I refuse to get into this debate with you, it’s ridiculous. You are free to go on believing that he’s a persecuted… whatever. I really don’t care. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2005, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/30 "2005-07-09T23:53:52Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > So an OP that is stating that we should be allowed to keep certain undesirables from living near us so that we may prevent interbreeding is not a racist OP? > Again, the level of proof you are requiring is absurd. > > In any case I refuse to get into this debate with you, it’s ridiculous. You are free to go on believing that he’s a persecuted… whatever. I really don’t care. Dude, I am NOT trying to debate this with you. I may be wrong but are you referring to this: > [@](#): > > Is that too difficult for you people and the only solution you can see is one that legally forces us all to eventually combine into some sort of “genetic one?” So much for diversity - human population diversity dies with such laws. You have to think globally when thinking about human diversity, not locally. Or are you talking about THIS: > [@](#): > > Well Daniel, if you can provide me with a fine behinded girl of african descent, I’ll do it all night long, tonight… and you can watch. She can bring her fine Jewish friend while she’s at it. > > Get over your delusions. The “white nationalist” movement is as brainwashed as you are. Or maybe this: > [@](#): > > Whomever I choose. The fundamental argument is that human population diversity, human genetic branching, only continues to freely exist if such communities exist. At some point. people are going to have to rationally discuss such communities, and freedoms, without fear. Education is the answer, not laws of forced integration. What I meant to say, and obviously, my brain can’t formulate things as well as TomnDeb, was this: > [@](#): > > Having gotten that off my chest, I will now reply to the OP: Nego majore. > > I deny that brainwashing–as an actual term that has a discernible meaning–rules the planet. If you wish to talk about inculcation of ideals or even of indoctrination of members in society, you may get a bit further in your discussion, but asserting the blatantly false notion that it is “brainwashing” that has led people to views that you oppose (and repeating the charge in later posts) indicates an erroneous and simplistic view of human society that makes it difficult to place credence in the rest of the OP. in regards to fighting ignorance. Again, just saying that the op is a blatant racist is absurd. You guys need to start, and again, I’m repeating myself, trying to FIGHT ignorance rather than putting your hands over your ears and screaming at the top of your lungs \*\* LOOK AT THE RACIST\*\*. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2005, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/31 "2005-07-09T23:55:31Z")
> [@Xploder](#): > > So what does it hurt to do it 101 or even 1001 times? Fighting ignorance does not mean that you just quit at the sight of an op that looks like it’s been done before. If you people (used generically as I have no beef with anyone here) would stick to your guns rather than throw your hands up in the air, perhaps you MIGHT change one or two people. You’re right for the wrong reason. The efforts of the TM in these kinds of threads ARE valuable. NOT that they have a prayer of changing the minds of the OP in similar situations. The OP here, and others who have visited here with similar ingrained views are ALMOST CERTAINLY not going to change. No matter what they read here. But, where you’re right is that it gives those lurkers and others a chance to have their views expanded. There is a soft underbelly of readers/members/Guests here who merely read and either don’t post or post only infrequently. These are the people who read these kinds of threads and come away with a new perspective on issues. So, you’re right to encourage the dialogue. It does good, but to those who lurk in the shadows. It usually, in my experience, does little good to the OPs. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2005, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/32 "2005-07-09T23:55:38Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > In any case I refuse to get into this debate with you, it’s ridiculous. You are free to go on believing that he’s a persecuted… whatever. I really don’t care. I never said that I thought the op was being persecuted. I said that he was being tarred with a racist brush before he actually stated anything overtly racist. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2005, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/33 "2005-07-09T23:58:13Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > You’re right for the wrong reason. > > The efforts of the TM in these kinds of threads ARE valuable. NOT that they have a prayer of changing the minds of the OP in similar situations. The OP here, and others who have visited here with similar ingrained views are ALMOST CERTAINLY not going to change. No matter what they read here. > > But, where you’re right is that it gives those lurkers and others a chance to have their views expanded. There is a soft underbelly of readers/members/Guests here who merely read and either don’t post or post only infrequently. These are the people who read these kinds of threads and come away with a new perspective on issues. > > So, you’re right to encourage the dialogue. It does good, but to those who lurk in the shadows. It usually, in my experience, does little good to the OPs. Agreed. I never stated that the op’s opinion was ever going to change, what I SAID was that we should at least TRY and change his opinion. Not trying is the same as saying that you couldn’t care less about changing someone’s opinion, you just want to yell about your own. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/34 "2005-07-10T00:07:14Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > I’ll abide by your moderating decision, but respectfully, I don’t think that if someone is playing a dishonest game, playing along with the game is the intelligent way to respond. When folks are debating dishonestly, I believe the intelligent thing to do is to short-circuit the process by pointing out the dishonesty up-front. Lefty, I’m sorry to say it, but you brought up the subject of dishonest debate — I don’t think you’re always a good judge of what is or is not dishonest debate. You’ve called my debating dishonest on more than one occasion, and I think you were wrong. I think we’ve gotten beyond the insult side of that; that is, I’ve forgiven you. But after enduring your demands, hoops of fire, probations, giving and withholding respect, and so forth, I just don’t trust your judgment on these matters. You might call this dishonest as well, or take some sort of offense from it, but that’s how I feel about it. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/35 "2005-07-10T00:13:30Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Lefty, I’m sorry to say it, but you brought up the subject of dishonest debate — I don’t think you’re always a good judge of what is or is not dishonest debate. You’ve called my debating dishonest on more than one occasion, and I think you were wrong. I think we’ve gotten beyond the insult side of that; that is, I’ve forgiven you. But after enduring your demands, hoops of fire, probations, giving and withholding respect, and so forth, I just don’t trust your judgment on these matters. You might call this dishonest as well, or take some sort of offense from it, but that’s how I feel about it. I agree with **Lib**. World subsequently ends. News at eleven. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/36 "2005-07-10T00:36:03Z")
have to add my $.02 here, because it would be inappropriate in GD This guy, gardenoflove, is a nutjob. A total whacko. I’m almost unable to post in his thread anymore because he makes less and less sense with every new post. I can’t figure out where to call “bullshit” anymore because it’s seeping through every hole in his arguments. Also, from reading here I gather that SF = StormFront and that this is some kind of neonazi/white power group? And that their posting on SDMB is something that has happened before, with regularity even? :rolleyes: At least this site won’t lack for easy targets… 😛 I also want to say that I agree with **tomndebb** … Give 'Em Enough Rope (man, I love The Clash!) But LHoD, I agree that gardenoflove is a real turd. A Superturd, even… the result of literally minutes of selective breeding strategies between whatever it was that spawned him. :rolleyes: Like I said, at least it’s an easy target. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/37 "2005-07-10T00:54:06Z")
> [@Snowboarder Bo](#): > > have to add my $.02 here, because it would be inappropriate in GD > > This guy, gardenoflove, is a nutjob. A total whacko. Agreed > [@](#): > > I’m almost unable to post in his thread anymore because he makes less and less sense with every new post. I can’t figure out where to call “bullshit” anymore because it’s seeping through every hole in his arguments. Which is why I haven’t bothered to post there. > [@](#): > > Also, from reading here I gather that SF = StormFront and that this is some kind of neonazi/white power group? And that their posting on SDMB is something that has happened before, with regularity even? :rolleyes: At least this site won’t lack for easy targets… 😛 Yeah, they invaded the board awhile back. > [@](#): > > I also want to say that I agree with **tomndebb** … > > Give 'Em Enough Rope (man, I love The Clash!) ditto > [@](#): > > But LHoD, I agree that gardenoflove is a real turd. A Superturd, even… the result of literally minutes of selective breeding strategies between whatever it was that spawned him. :rolleyes: Like I said, at least it’s an easy target. So why even bother pitting such an easy target? To make yourself look good? "HEY LOOK AT ME!!! I NOTICED THE RACIST ASSHOLE FIRST!!! Better to use your brain to at least TRY and reason with an unreasonable person than to just spout off at the mouth. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/38 "2005-07-10T01:00:00Z")
> [@Xploder](#): > > So why even bother pitting such an easy target? To make yourself look good? "HEY LOOK AT ME!!! I NOTICED THE RACIST ASSHOLE FIRST!!! No… I came here to pit a bit because it would be inappropriate, as I said, to post such comments in GD. > [@Xploder](#): > > Better to use your brain to at least TRY and reason with an unreasonable person than to just spout off at the mouth. I agree, and have been trying. But I’m only human, and sometimes my head starts to hurt from hitting the brick wall of willful ignorance… hence, I came here to the pit… You got a problem with that, **Xploder**? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/39 "2005-07-10T01:05:09Z")
[QUOTE=Snowboarder Bo] No… I came here to pit a bit because it would be inappropriate, as I said, to post such comments in GD. [quote] Thanks for at least having a modcum of decrum. > [@](#): > > I agree, and have been trying. But I’m only human, and sometimes my head starts to hurt from hitting the brick wall of willful ignorance… hence, I came here to the pit… > > You got a problem with that, **Xploder**? :dubious: Not at all. I appreciate when SOMEONE has the common sense to take their pit-like comments to the pit. Again, I still have no major problem with anyone involved in this mess. My only problem is that sometimes, I have a problem expressing myself to where it’s understood. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/40 "2005-07-10T01:06:24Z")
GAH!!! > [@Snowboarder Bo](#): > > No… I came here to pit a bit because it would be inappropriate, as I said, to post such comments in GD. Thanks for at least having a modicum of decorum. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769.md?page=3)