# When they quack like a duck **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 9, 2005, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769 "2005-07-09T17:25:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/41 "2005-07-10T01:26:26Z")
šŸ™‚ Your welcome. I try. Sometimes Iā€™m just _trying_, but I try. ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/42 "2005-07-10T01:35:58Z")
> [@Snowboarder Bo](#): > > šŸ™‚ Your welcome. I try. Sometimes Iā€™m just _trying_, but I try. Ha! Welcome to the clubā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/43 "2005-07-10T01:37:58Z")
Grrrrā€¦I HATE clicking when I shouldnā€™t haveā€¦if MORE people, such as yourself, did what YOU do then we MIGHT actually have a chance at fighting ignorance. Instead, we have the same old tired retreads posting out of their ass. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/44 "2005-07-10T01:39:51Z")
> [@Xploder](#): > > Ha! Welcome to the clubā€¦ WOOT! Do we have special jackets? The last club I was in had special jacketsā€¦ It was _damned_ hard to smoke in that jacket tooā€¦ stupid extra long sleevesā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/45 "2005-07-10T01:41:33Z")
> [@Snowboarder Bo](#): > > WOOT! > > Do we have special jackets? The last club I was in had special jacketsā€¦ > > It was _damned_ hard to smoke in that jacket tooā€¦ stupid extra long sleevesā€¦ As the immortal **Alice Cooper** , (I know heā€™s not immortalā€¦yet) statedā€¦sleeping donā€™t come eeeeeeeeasyā€¦in a straight white vest. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/46 "2005-07-10T01:52:35Z")
> [@Jonathan Chance](#): > > Hell, itā€™d be more impressive if we hadnā€™t done it 100 times. In the thread in question aloneā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/47 "2005-07-10T02:40:17Z")
Iā€™m a firm believer in the give 'em rope theory. Hell, I might even be wrong about something one day and get some education thereby. Iā€™ver found that generally folks with these sorts of peculiar opinions (not just racists) come in two classes [del]rhinestone shades[/del] those whoā€™re smart enough to realize that theyā€™ve been handed their ass and those who are already numb from the hairline down. The first sort might actually benefit from an honest and open examination of their screeds. The latter sort at least provide lesson by bad example for lurkers as has been noted in this thread already. Generally, if you take 'em at their word, youā€™ll find that they havenā€™t heard their word. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/48 "2005-07-10T03:45:44Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Sorry. I disagree. The current poster under discussion has already made factual errors regarding science and history. And, as the thread has developed, the foreseen agenda is slowly emerging, as well. Iā€™m not saying that Dopers will not be able to kick this shitheadā€™s ass; Iā€™m agreeing with **LHoD** that _outing_ the disingenousness of the poster from the beginning does no harm but rather does a lot of good. You missed my point about the **honest and open** white nationalists who have posted here in the past. I greatly disagree with their position, but they are playing by board rules. And doesnā€™t the board have rules in this regard? We have had several flareups recently involving **Liberal** and the playing of the devilā€™s advocate position. The mod consensus seems to be that one ought to argue the positions in which one believes, and, contrariwise, one ought not argue those positions in which one does not believe. Further, posters have been warned, and even banned, for making up stories about their lives. In general, lying and bullshitting are recognized by regular posters and mods alike as bad for board karma. Do not racists who cloud their agenda when debating violate the spirit of these rules, if not the letter? I think they do, especially since, as non-paying ā€œguests,ā€ they are engaging in such debates in a hit-and-run fashion. The above addresses your point about posters who believe in the ā€œparanormal.ā€ My position is truly my position; itā€™s open and unadulterated. But bringing up the treatment of such posters is perhaps not in your argumentā€™s interest, as said treatment has been so poor on this board that I have fully withdrawn from debating the merits of the evidence for any paranormal phenomenon (though I still at times debate the philosophy of such matters). Indeed, supporters of ā€œparanormal phenomena,ā€ if your principles of modding expressed today are to hold, are treated worse here than facist-racist scum, since mods like **Czarcasm** have been known to join in the baiting and mocking of the former! > [@](#): > > However, we are here to fight ignorance, not to battle other boards or social movements. Without ever getting into discussions of color or race or religion, we can argue the case based on science, law, and history. We will never change the mind of the poster (but, then, I do not recall where we insisted that the various factions arguing over the current presidency have been required to be persuaded). Again, I think the real issue is not the position the poster holds, but the manner in which s/he debates it: dishonestly. > [@](#): > > However, we are not playing to the poster, but to the audience at home. If we defeat the fairly silly claims regarding science or law on their own merits, then we have demonstrated the errors on which the posterā€™s claims are founded. True, we should defeat them. And the poster should honestly present them. > [@](#): > > If we get into a name-calling contest in which we overwhelm him with caustic slurs, then some of the audience is going to get the impression that there was some truth he presented that we feared to have brought out and they will be more receptive to the nonsense if it is presented on some other board or in some other venue. I disagree. The poster was easily outed by **LHoD** with some very simple methods. Hey, youā€™re a SFer, arenā€™t you? This is your real position, isnā€™t it? The ignoramus then tripped over his own denials, revealing the true but hidden position. It was easily, and, one may even say, politely, accomplishedā€“whatā€™s wrong with that? > [@](#): > > If such a person comes for the purpose of making trouble, they will step out of line and be banned. I think their hiding their intentions is already ā€œout of line.ā€ And I think extra strictness is in order because of their message of racial hate. > [@](#): > > I prefer that ideas be hammered out by their adherents _on the topics presented_ rather than by _ad hominem_ decisions about what sort of people hold those beliefs. I agree that such persons ought not be cussed into the dust without any type of counter to their arguments, but simple questions that reveal their true intensions ought not be against the rules. Fair? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/49 "2005-07-10T04:32:28Z")
> [@](#): > > Hey, youā€™re a SFer, arenā€™t you? This is your real position, isnā€™t it? The ignoramus then tripped over his own denials, revealing the true but hidden position. It was easily, and, one may even say, politely, accomplishedā€“whatā€™s wrong with that? You read far too much into that exchange. The posterā€™s odd views were clear from the OP, but he has continued to deny an association with the National Front and nothing in his posts indicates that he is lying in that regard. (Believe me, there are a lot more racists in the world than the SF crowd and a lot more nuts in the world than you can ever believe.) He has clearly revealed both his ignorance of science and his truly odd views of humanity in that thread even without efforts to openly accuse him of racism or membership in racist organizations. And that was my initial point and the one I continue to maintain: it is more productive to let such people reveal their ignorance and false claims on their own without resorting to preemptive accusations. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/50 "2005-07-10T05:09:16Z")
> [@gardenoflove](#): > > > [@FinnAgain](#): > > > > Wowā€¦ you do realize that in many cases the ā€˜havesā€™ and ā€˜have notsā€™ share the same essential genotype/phenotype? Or are you covertly trying to suggest that there is a certain ā€˜raceā€™ which accounts for the ā€˜havesā€™ and another ā€˜raceā€™ which accounts for the ā€˜have notsā€™? . > > Well, Iā€™m afraind that information is top secret, but use your imagination and let me be blunt in saying that world power is from the top down, and the genetics of the haves is significantly different, and more powerful, than the have nots. It really doesnā€™t matter if you donā€™t buy thatā€¦ in fact itā€™s probably best that you just continue on with your life and not worry about it. Bull motherfucking shit this isnā€™t a racist piece of trash. A paranoid conspiracy theory addled piece of racist trsh. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/51 "2005-07-10T05:31:23Z")
And as you have so ably demonstrated, one merely needs to engage the poster on his own grounds to get him to display that information to everyone who reads his postsā€“hence the lack of a need to ā€œexposeā€ him by pre-emptive name-calling. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/52 "2005-07-10T05:39:24Z")
Well, we canā€™t call names in GD, of course. But I also think that itā€™s a good idea to have a simucast Pitting along with more polite GD refutations. Admixtures of anger and disgust are not beyond the pale when dealing with racist scum, and the Pit seems like a good place to express those. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/53 "2005-07-10T05:53:36Z")
Iā€™ve gotta say Iā€™m with **tomndebb** on this. Let people have whatever kooky, bizarre, and yes, even repellent ideas they want, as long as they play by the rules. As far as Iā€™m concerned, weā€™ve given garden oā€™ love plenty of rope, and heā€™s just finishing tying it around his neck and is getting ready to jump. Just as it should be. Eagerly awaiting his ā€œlaws of natureā€ postā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/54 "2005-07-10T06:05:28Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Admixtures of anger and disgust are not beyond the pale when dealing with racist scum, and the Pit seems like a good place to express those. And I have no problem with this thread. This thread began with a question why I objected to a pre-emptive attack on the posterā€™s racism in the original thread. Pitting him is obviously a different situation. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/55 "2005-07-10T06:12:00Z")
Heh. heā€™s been BANNED. Go figure. But, still, I donā€™t see most of **Lefty** ā€™s comments as being particularly beyond the pale. They werenā€™t so much a personal insult as calling out what paradigm he was coming from. But youā€™re the mod, you make the rules. And, um, donā€™t hit me please even though I thought you gave the wrong title for your cite. ~cringes~ ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/56 "2005-07-10T06:21:10Z")
Why banned? Sock, I suppose? Rhetorical question. Like I said, most of these dumbfucks are socks and trolls who deserve to be banned immediately. And heā€™s been banned immediately, which I suppose has been merely Nature taking its course. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/57 "2005-07-10T06:23:34Z")
Isnā€™t hate speech inherently bannable? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/58 "2005-07-10T06:24:36Z")
Nope, **Samclem** says heā€™s a sock. Allā€™s well that ends well. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/59 "2005-07-10T06:44:04Z")
lol samclem seems to have a lower bullshit threshold than tomndebb šŸ™‚ thanks tom for some excellent points in the thread, and thanks to sam for shutting down that :wally nite! Bo ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2005, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769/60 "2005-07-10T06:45:59Z")
It doesnā€™t seem to be a bullshit threshold, but socking. [And this was one freakinā€™ single trick equine.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=261605&page=1&pp=50&highlight=genetic) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-they-quack-like-a-duck/311769.md?page=4)