# When Trump loses

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-trump-loses/763071>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [August 17, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-trump-loses/763071 "2016-08-17T14:02:28Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 11\
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**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-trump-loses/763071/61 "2016-08-19T16:20:27Z")

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Now THIS makes sense for Trump’s post-campaign loss strategy:

From \*The Atlantic \*online-

[Introducing The Trump News Channel—Coming in 2017?](http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/introducing-the-trump-news-channelcoming-in-2017/496562/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheAtlantic+%28The+Atlantic+-+Master+Feed%29)

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> There is so much about the Trump campaign that doesn’t make sense so long as one assumes that its purpose is to propel the candidate to victory at the ballot box. But what if those involved now perceive a more attractive––or at least plausible–– endgame? Atop the campaign, there are three men whose past behavior suggests both a powerful desire to attract the eyeballs of a mass audience and a talent for doing so.
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> What if Tuesday, November 8, marks not an end for Donald Trump and associates, but the beginning of Phase Two in an effort to launch a media juggernaut that challenges Fox News for supremacy on the right across all platforms?

This would suit him a lot better than being president, not to mention it would be a helluva lot more fun. AND make money, too. Turns a lose-lose into a win-win-- but of course, he didn’t _lose_-lose, because it was rigged and Hillary stole it. In fact, that might be the first in-depth story \*\*TNN \*\*covers.

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**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-trump-loses/763071/62 "2016-08-19T16:24:08Z")

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What I’m worried about is that it will be 1964 all over again. You know, the one Johnson won by a landslide not because people liked _him_ but were voting against Goldwater.

Unfortunately, not realizing this, Johnson thought he could do no wrong. The Great Society was one positive result. The Viet Nam war was not so much.

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**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-trump-loses/763071/63 "2016-08-19T16:24:33Z")

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Add me to the list of people fearing an “October Surprise.” In my paranoid mind I fear the Russians have something very damaging on HRC. Then what?

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**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-trump-loses/763071/64 "2016-08-19T16:25:08Z")

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> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#):
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> What history? She had a blood clot in 1998, which is not a TIA.
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> All other references I can find are in extreme-right babbleblogs dutifully carrying the “Hillary is a sick old woman” banner.

That’s simply an offensive tactic to counter whatever the hell is wrong with Trump medically.

The “doctor’s letter” that Trump provided is hilarious, and likely written by Trump himself.

Donald is in perfect health! He is the BEST!  
Signed, Donald’s doctor"

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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-trump-loses/763071/65 "2016-08-19T16:36:16Z")

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> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> That’s simply an offensive tactic to counter whatever the hell is wrong with Trump medically.
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> The “doctor’s letter” that Trump provided is hilarious, and likely written by Trump himself.
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> Donald is in perfect health! He is the BEST!  
> Signed, Donald’s doctor"

And as per the letter he had “only positive results”. I don’t think Trump or the hack doctors knows what that means. One does not want to find to be positive with many conditions.

(Mr Burns is just a breze away from [del]dying[/del] "\*\*indestructible!\*\* you mean" - Mr. Burns.)

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**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\
**Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-trump-loses/763071/66 "2016-08-19T19:57:39Z")

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> [@DSeid](#):
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> Seriously no one at this point would read an overwhelming Clinton victory as voting for the novelty item.
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> Romney lost by 5%

Four per cent, actually. 51.1-47.2.

In any sane world Trump wouldn’t even finish third, but some people just like fascism. There’s a reason it keeps popping up.

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**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\
**Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-trump-loses/763071/67 "2016-08-20T01:32:06Z")

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> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> But not any actual ideas for what to do about the problem you have trouble even identifying articulately. It’s no more than throwing a tantrum, and deserves no respect.

Voting for a Democrat is less “articulate” than voting third party, as I have told you before. If you want to argue that voting major party is pragmatic game theory, fine. But it’s not “articulate” to vote for the Democrats.

And considering there are more die-hard Republicans in this nation than die-hard Democrats, I don’t think it’s entirely sensible to tell _them_ to suck it up and vote for “the enemy.”

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**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\
**Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-trump-loses/763071/68 "2016-08-20T01:56:12Z")

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> [@Bridget\_Burke](#):
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> Which reforms have resulted from third party “disgust”?

Reaganism? You didn’t say _good_ reforms.

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**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\
**Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-trump-loses/763071/69 "2016-08-20T11:45:33Z")

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> [@Biotop](#):
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> Add me to the list of people fearing an “October Surprise.” In my paranoid mind I fear the Russians have something very damaging on HRC. Then what?

What I fear more is a sophisticated hacking attack in several states that cause “glitches” and throw the results of elections into doubt. In and of itself, doubts about the fairness of these elections alone would be a potentially destabilizing event. Democracy, more than any other type of government, depends on the perception of legitimacy. Take that away, and it collapses.

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**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\
**Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-trump-loses/763071/70 "2016-08-20T12:08:35Z")

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> [@foolsguinea](#):
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> Reaganism? You didn’t say _good_ reforms.

How did Reaganism result from registering disgust with the system by voting third party?

Even if Anderson’s votes all went to Carter he’d have lost. If anything Anderson pulled more of his support from Republicans who felt that Reagan was too far to the Right but it was still a hugely lopsided victory.

Reaganism resulted because Carter was not very effective as president and because Reagan was an extremely effective communicator … not in any way because of third party voting.

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**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\
**Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-trump-loses/763071/71 "2016-08-20T12:18:51Z")

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Must we call them TrumpBart? Given who does the thinking and who follows who’s orders, itso more like…  
BreiTrump…

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