# When Ugly Girls Read **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 22, 2001, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-ugly-girls-read/88909 "2001-10-22T18:33:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2001, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-ugly-girls-read/88909/161 "2001-10-30T03:20:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lizard \* > Assumption #1: Romance novels are replacing sex. > Assumption #2: Ugly people don’t get as much sex as pretty people. > Assumption #3: Your standards of beauty _and_ “enough” sex are anyone’s but your own. > Please show me where I assumed any of the above. > [@](#): > > Originally posted by Lizard > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by featherlou \* > > Bossk, are you implying that ugly women aren’t getting any action, and they must resort to reading Harlequin romances to make up for the lack of man-lovin’ in their lives? That’s a pretty big leap, you know. \*\* > > I don’t think so. In fact, I agree with that supposition exactly as you expressed it. So you agree that ugly women aren’t getting any action. And that they must resort to reading Harlequins to make up for this supposed lack of action. You said you agreed exactly. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lizard \* > Where did I say romance novels are replacing sex? Maybe they’re being used as a poor substitute, but “replacing” it? Nah. You misunderstood me. I’m still misunderstanding you. Novels are _substituting_ for, but not _replacing_ sex. Please clear up my misunderstanding. What’s the difference? ---
**Author:** ![pennylane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@pennylane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pennylane)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2001, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-ugly-girls-read/88909/162 "2001-10-30T09:26:41Z")
I think he means that people are _trying_ to replace sex with novels, but failing or doing a bad job… ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2001, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-ugly-girls-read/88909/163 "2001-10-30T10:01:05Z")
Oh, great, he’s another one of these Clique Parrots? Jeez, that act got real old, real fast. What I wouldn’t give for an _original_, _creative_ troll once in a while. I mean, really, is it all that hard to think of new ways of trolling? Sometimes, I’m tempted to start trolling myself just to show these rancid-semen-sucking jackassed midget-munging wombat-rapists how to do their job. C’mon, Bossk, rub those two misplaced testicles that function as your brain and come up with a thought! Please! We’re getting so tired of the Same Old Thing! Make like _Must See TV_ and give us something new! And we’re still waiting for that picture, you brass-deficient pile of donkey dung. I’ve seen more spine in amoebas. ---
**Author:** ![Gozu\_Tashoya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7993a0/32.png) [@Gozu\_Tashoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gozu_Tashoya)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2001, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-ugly-girls-read/88909/164 "2001-10-30T10:56:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pennylane \* > \*\*I think he means that people are _trying_ to replace sex with novels, but failing or doing a bad job… \*\* Well, that goes without saying. I mean, the papercuts _alone_ are enough to deter most people. Left untreated, one could damn near bleed to death! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2001, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-ugly-girls-read/88909/165 "2001-10-31T04:18:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pennylane \* > \*\*I think he means that people are _trying_ to replace sex with novels, but failing or doing a bad job… \*\* Precisely!! I really can’t blame **Biggirl** for being confused. I wasn’t very clear, and now that I re-read what I said I agreed with “exactly,” I must amend what I said. What I really meant is that some _people_ (i.e.- male and female) use certain things to try to fill a hole in their lives that physical and emotional intimacy would normally fill. Men often use porn. Women often use romance novels (since “porn” is still often taboo for women, which is unfair). I think the difference between porn and romance novels illustrates some of the difference between what men and women (speaking very broadly here) think they want in a relationship. I also think both porn and romance novels are a poor substitute for the real thing. However I may have stated it, I don’t really believe that anyone who looks at porn or reads romance novels is automatically not “getting enough”. They might just like those things, or want slightly different stimulation than they’re getting from their real partners. ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2001, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-ugly-girls-read/88909/166 "2001-10-31T04:31:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Lizard \* > > But whether your existence is even worth acknowledging anymore is anyone’s guess. > > So then why are you acknowledging it with your post? If she isn’t worth acknowledging, as you seem to be suggesting in this sentence, then don’t acknowledge her. Saying “I don’t know if you’re important enough to respond to” is, much like **bossk** ’s “Ummmmmmmmmmmmm…”, a childish response, and one that most people in this thread probably saw right through. \*\* I am aknowledging it because I haven’t made up my mind yet, which I thought I made clear. As long as I am in general following the main rule here, I will decide when and how I acknowledge anyone. If anyone “saw right through” my post, then they are looking WAAAAAY too hard, because I do not make “childish” posts. I can and have posted things that I didn’t think through first, or that contained inflammatory statements or opinions, or that were (unknown to me at the time) blatantly offensive to many. I have _never_ been “childish.” I meant exactly what I said, and I mean exactly what I say now. And now, **iampunha** , let me as politely and un-“childish”-like as possible, ask you to please stay out of this. What is between me and **yosemitebabe** is not your concern. You have no call to take sides. I have not had any problems with you, and I don’t want any started now. **yosemitebabe** has earned her fair share of my venom, as I will illustrate. I don’t appreciate being compared to **Bossk** , with whom I have no connection whatsoever, and about whom I care not a whit. I know you are perfectly smart enough to recognize things that you have no stake in. So please, stay out of it. I am asking as nicely as I know how. ---
**Author:** ![Crunchy\_Frog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ebca7d/32.png) [@Crunchy\_Frog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crunchy_Frog)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2001, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-ugly-girls-read/88909/167 "2001-10-31T04:51:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lizard \* > \*\*And now, **iampunha** , let me as politely and un-“childish”-like as possible, ask you to please stay out of this. What is between me and **yosemitebabe** is not your concern. \ So please, stay out of it. I am asking as nicely as I know how. \*\* You may get just as mad at me for butting in, but it bugs me to see this on a _public message board_. If it is such a private conversation, take it to e-mail. If not, anyone here can make a comment on what’s posted, regardless if you think they have any stake in it. ---
**Author:** ![Slip\_Mahoney](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47774/32.png) [@Slip\_Mahoney](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slip_Mahoney)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2001, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-ugly-girls-read/88909/168 "2001-10-31T04:53:59Z")
**Lizard,** how do you know that **iampunha** has no stake in this? Perhaps he and \*\* yosemitebabe\*\* are friends and he’s defending her, as friends are wont to do. Happens here all the time. Perhaps, they aren’t but he feels you’re being unfair. Perhaps he’s merely stating an opinion, which as a member, he has a right to do. In any case, telling people to stay out of a message board argument is like pissing in the wind. He can say anything he likes, within the guidelines. As can you. And you have to admit that the Leafs are looking pretty good this year. ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2001, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-ugly-girls-read/88909/169 "2001-10-31T05:00:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yosemitebabe \* > Anyone else notice that “have it in” for Lizard? Because this is all news to me. Aaaah, the old appeal to a popularity contest! I’m surprised it appeared so quickly, because I thought you were older than, oh, say…_ **14??** _ What next? Are you going to start telling me I have no friends? No no, “m’dear”. There will be no Greek chorus to dig you out of the hole your own big mouth has excavated… > [@](#): > > I mean, I’d like for you to establish a pattern of behavior here. And I think you’ll need to do better than bringing up ONE old moldy thread, where we locked horns. The pattern I’m referring to is in this very thread, dumbass. > [@](#): > > This is too funny. Where did all this hostility come from? What was it that pushed you over the edge here? How is it that my somewhat sarcastic post prompted **such** an explosive response? > … > So cites, please? Yes, the moment we’ve all been waiting for. Here’s what you said in response to my _very first post_ wherin I merely stated an innocuous opinion: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yosemitebabe \* > A lot of people read science fiction, or mystery. So - what does this _mean_ about them and their personal lives? What does this _say_? Hmmmmmmm? Please. Enlighten us. :rolleyes: And then _these_ phrases were in response to my (understandably annoyed) second post (in which, I might add, I _never_ claimed to “have it all figured out”): > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yosemitebabe \* > Well, why don’t you ASK her? Oh wait! YOU don’t know her! But I do! She’s MY sister! Ya think maybe I know just a teensy bit more about her than you do? Ya think? > > … > > EVERY one? So you know what kind of romances SHE reads, and you know WHY she reads them, and you know WHAT content is in each romance she reads? Is this it? So you’ve read EVERY pulp romance novel that ever was written? So you know this for sure? Boy, that sure says something about _you_. :rolleyes: > > … > > Sure, they say “something”, but what? What exactly do it “say”? What does it say when a person reads a lot of, for instance, westerns? Please, oh wise one, enlighten us. WHAT does it say? You’ve got it all figured out, after all. Boy, the above sure puts the wood to your plaintive “Where did all this hostility come from? What was it that pushed you over the edge here?” I think it’s pretty obvious. Deliberate, prolonged sarcasm that served no purpose beyond a mediocre attempt to insult me. So lets see…you: 1)- Claim you did nothing to deserve my “hostile” response 2)- Claim there is no pattern 3)- Expect it it to be obvious to all and sundry how “in the right” you are. 4)- Feign innocence, i.e. “this is all news to me” Jeez. What a dumb waste of flesh you are. ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2001, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-ugly-girls-read/88909/170 "2001-10-31T05:19:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Crunchy Frog \* > You may get just as mad at me for butting in, but it bugs me to see this on a _public message board_. If it is such a private conversation, take it to e-mail. If not, anyone here can make a comment on what’s posted, regardless if you think they have any stake in it. and > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Slip Mahoney \* > **Lizard,** how do you know that **iampunha** has no stake in this? > > Perhaps he and **yosemitebabe** are friends and he’s defending her, as friends are wont to do. Happens here all the time. > > Perhaps, they aren’t but he feels you’re being unfair. > > Perhaps he’s merely stating an opinion, which as a member, he has a right to do. > > In any case, telling people to stay out of a message board argument is like pissing in the wind. > > He can say anything he likes, within the guidelines. As can you. Ok fellas, I see your point. However, **iampunha** was commenting on my post as if I was making some unjustified slam on **yosemitebabe** , and not merely defending myself against _her_ attacks, which I am perfectly justified in doing. He said I was “childish” and compared me to **Bossk** , which I felt was _completely_ unjustified, given the nature of the conflict between **yosemitebabe** and myself. You guys are right to point out that it is a public message board. But I asked **iampunha** to stay out of it because I sensed that he was attempting to join in with **yosemitebabe** in attacking me. As far as I can tell, he has no reason to do so, since I regard this as a conflict involving only **yosemitebabe** and myself. Anyone may comment, but I expect that they will try to be objective, unless they are deliberately picking a fight with me. I did not think he was doing the former. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s how I felt. ---
**Author:** ![Slip\_Mahoney](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47774/32.png) [@Slip\_Mahoney](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slip_Mahoney)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2001, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-ugly-girls-read/88909/171 "2001-10-31T05:19:27Z")
**Lizard** wrote: > [@](#): > > Deliberate, prolonged sarcasm that served no purpose beyond a mediocre attempt to insult me. If this was a mediocre attempt, your response is way out of proportion. ---
**Author:** ![Slip\_Mahoney](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47774/32.png) [@Slip\_Mahoney](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slip_Mahoney)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2001, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-ugly-girls-read/88909/172 "2001-10-31T05:22:33Z")
Simulpost. I would not have commented had I read your most recent piost, **Lizard.** ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2001, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-ugly-girls-read/88909/173 "2001-10-31T05:56:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lizard \* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by yosemitebabe \* > > Anyone else notice that “have it in” for Lizard? Because this is all news to me. > > Aaaah, the old appeal to a popularity contest! I’m surprised it appeared so quickly, because I thought you were older than, oh, say…_ **14??** _ What next? Are you going to start telling me I have no friends? Ah, it was the old typo. I failed to write **I**. As in “Does anyone else notice that **I** “have it in” for Lizard”. It was that simple. Of course, it’s much for fun for you to assume the worst, and make a huge deal about it. > [@](#): > > No no, “m’dear”. There will be no Greek chorus to dig you out of the hole your own big mouth has excavated… Oh, get a grip. This IS the Pit. I am sarcastic with many people, when I think the premise they are supporting is full of holes. Other people are sarcastic with me, for the same reason. Nothing personal, nothing huge. Just a message board, just a bunch of pixels on a screen. I have no huge grudge against you, I don’t dislike you at all. I just thought you expressed a lame opinion, and I was responding to that. And, as everyone will see here, I _never_ attacked you personally, called you any names, or indicated that you were a “waste of flesh”. And I have no intention of doing so. You are unglued. You are making a HUGE deal over something unnecessarily. And I think that other people here noticed that, and have responded to that. And what do you do? You snap at them too! > [@](#): > > So lets see…you: > 1)- Claim you did nothing to deserve my “hostile” response > 2)- Claim there is no pattern > 3)- Expect it it to be obvious to all and sundry how “in the right” you are. > 4)- Feign innocence, i.e. “this is all news to me” You’re delusional. I am perfectly willing to respond to any irritated reaction you may have to what I have to say ON TOPIC. However, when you elevate this to a personal grudge, drag out old moldy threads that everyone has forgotten about but you, you’ve clearly just lost it. I have locked horns with MANY people here, ON TOPIC. We’ve bantered back and forth, getting quite irritated with each other, and often quite sarcastic. But it rarely seemed necessary to resort to personal name-calling on such a venomous level, especially so quickly. Even when we were vehemently on opposite sides of an issue. I am sure I’ve gotten really annoyed on occasion with someone I was debating, but I can’t ever recall using any word or term on the level of “twat” or “waste of flesh” to _anyone, ever_. This is just a _message board_, and we are talking about ROMANCE NOVELS! Get a grip! You are the one that wants to make a huge deal about this, not me. > [@](#): > > Jeez. What a dumb waste of flesh you are. Tsk tsk tsk. Quite pathetic, how unglued you have become. ---
**Author:** ![Bossk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@Bossk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bossk)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2001, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-ugly-girls-read/88909/174 "2001-10-31T07:22:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lizard \* > \*\* > Ok fellas, I see your point. However, **iampunha** was commenting on my post as if I was making some unjustified slam on **yosemitebabe** , and not merely defending myself against _her_ attacks, which I am perfectly justified in doing. > > \*\* **iampunha** is the SDMB’s self-appointed defender of female honor. If you happen to disagree with a femme poster, you will draw his wrath like stink on poop. I’m sure his motivations are totally magnanimous, though, as his post in the 'FESS UP column of MPSIMS proves: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > \*\*Roughly a year ago and at the request of another doper, I photographed part of myself (nude). > > The picture came out with such horrible resolution, so blurry and otherwise useless, that given the amount of time it had taken to set the shot up, I didn’t care enough to try again. > > \*\* Exactly which part was it, Punha? Actually, don’t tell me. I just ate. All I know is, online friends don’t let online friends pose nude. Now go back to your little darkroom and get off my tit. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2001, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-ugly-girls-read/88909/175 "2001-10-31T07:32:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bossk \* > **iampunha** is the SDMB’s self-appointed defender of female honor. Hell, they don’t laugh and point when I walk past. That’s all I’m sayin’ on the matter:) > [@](#): > > Exactly which part was it, Punha? Actually, don’t tell me. I just ate. All I know is, online friends don’t let online friends pose nude. > > Now go back to your little darkroom and get off my tit. Uh, fellow doper (and I use that word solely because you haven’t been banned yet), if you put something under me and I didn’t notice, that ain’t my fault. And the whole “Tell me. Wait, no, don’t.” is sooooo second grade. I was going to use that line. Then my dad got a job. ---
**Author:** ![techchick68](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@techchick68](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/techchick68)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2001, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-ugly-girls-read/88909/176 "2001-10-31T07:37:35Z")
It’s pretty easy to put into words what this person Bossk is, he’s festering boil on the ass of a rhino. The flies are attracted to it because it smells bad and needs to be lanced. But one doesn’t dare pop that mofo because it’s on the ass of a rhino and the rhino aint happy #1 because he has a festering boil and #2 reasonable people aren’t what the rhino wants in it’s life. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2001, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-ugly-girls-read/88909/177 "2001-10-31T07:44:45Z")
**techie** , have I mentioned lately that I love you? If not, I love you. I will never again be able to picture **Special K** without thinking of a big-ass fuckin’ boil on the ass of a rhino. ---
**Author:** ![Bossk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@Bossk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bossk)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2001, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-ugly-girls-read/88909/178 "2001-10-31T07:55:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by techchick68 \* > \*\*It’s pretty easy to put into words what this person Bossk is, he’s festering boil on the ass of a rhino. The flies are attracted to it because it smells bad and needs to be lanced. But one doesn’t dare pop that mofo because it’s on the ass of a rhino and the rhino aint happy #1 because he has a festering boil and #2 reasonable people aren’t what the rhino wants in it’s life. \*\* So, are you the fly or the reasonable person? ---
**Author:** ![techchick68](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@techchick68](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/techchick68)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2001, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-ugly-girls-read/88909/179 "2001-10-31T08:00:21Z")
Take your logical guess Bossk… ---
**Author:** ![techchick68](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@techchick68](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/techchick68)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2001, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-ugly-girls-read/88909/180 "2001-10-31T08:02:36Z")
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