# When was a river delta first called a "delta"? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports\ **Created:** [February 6, 2004, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-was-a-river-delta-first-called-a-delta/227842 "2004-02-06T14:30:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2004, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-was-a-river-delta-first-called-a-delta/227842/1 "2004-02-06T14:30:11Z")
Sorry, Fierra, no offense, 🙂 but I wuz just readin’ along and ran spang into this and went, “umm
” [http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mgreekegyptgods.html](http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mgreekegyptgods.html) > [@](#): > > The Greek mercenaries and traders would have spread stories back home about Egypt and given Egyptians things Greek names, such as the Nile estuary being called a delta after the shape of the Greek letter. It’s probably incredibly Euro-centric of me, but I always assumed that the term “delta” for the mouth of a river was first coined/applied by modern Western geologists, who tend to be obsessed with labeling things. Wouldn’t the early Greeks simply have called it the “mouth” of the river in Greek or something? My Webster’s Deluxe Unabridged doesn’t give a date for the first usage. We need Samclem to get in here with his OED. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2004, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-was-a-river-delta-first-called-a-delta/227842/2 "2004-02-06T16:56:07Z")
Well, I know about 1/100th the amount of Greek that Fierra does, but my first Google hit came up with this. From: [http://www.bartleby.com/61/59/D0115900.html](http://www.bartleby.com/61/59/D0115900.html) > [@](#): > > A Greek letter sits at the mouth of many rivers. Noticing the resemblance between the island formed by sediment at the mouth of a river such as the Nile and the triangular shape of their letter delta (), the Greeks gave the name delta to such an island. English borrowed this sense from Greek, although the word delta appeared first in English as the name of the letter, in a work written possibly around 1200. The sense “alluvial deposit” is not recorded until 1555, when delta is used with reference to the Nile River delta. From: [http://www.georoots.org/term\_page.asp?terminit=d](http://www.georoots.org/term_page.asp?terminit=d) > [@](#): > > First named by the Greek historian Herodotus circa 500 B.C., after the resemblance between the island formed by sediment at the mouth of the Nile and the triangular shape of the Greek captital letter delta. The sense “alluvial deposit” is first recorded in English in 1555, when delta is used with reference to the mouth of the Nile River [AHD]. Then of course going to the source, we have from Book 2, Chapter 12 of Histories by Herodotus. The supreme cosmic irony is that I actually happened to be reading the “Histories” just last night whilst stuck in Atlanta 11 hours late for a **Delta** Airlines flight canceled 6 times and sent to the wrong State and IT JUST KEEPS GETTING FUNNIER ALL THE TIME AND THEY REFUSE TO PROVIDE COMPENSATION FOR A ROOM OR MEAL AND WHAT GOOD IS PLATINUM MEDALLION ANY MORE
ahem. (In English) > [@](#): > > I have observed for myself that Egypt at the Nile Delta
 I’ve been told that the original Greek has “delta” as the descriptive at this point but finding an original Greek source online that lines up with my book is problematic. And the Perseus website at Tufts is so slow that I think they must be on a 2400 baud modem, as there can’t be that many people online on a Friday trying to look up original Greek versions of the “Histories”. ---
**Author:** ![bibliophage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bibliophage/32/7615_2.png) [@bibliophage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bibliophage)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2004, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-was-a-river-delta-first-called-a-delta/227842/3 "2004-02-06T18:54:00Z")
Perseus is works fine for me. The [English translation](http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0126&layout=&loc=2.13.2) by A. D. Godley is > [@](#): > > And, in my opinion, the Egyptians who inhabit the lands lower down the river than lake Moeris, and especially what is called the **Delta** –if this land of theirs rises in the same proportion and broadens likewise in extent, and the Nile no longer floods it-- will forever after be in the same straits as they themselves once said the Greeks would be; The [transliterated Greek](http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0125:book=2:chapter=13:section=1) is > [@](#): > > dokeousi te moi AiguptiĂŽn hoi enerthe limnĂȘs tĂȘs Moirios oikeontes ta te alla chĂŽria kai to kaleomenon **Delta** , ĂȘn houtĂŽ hĂȘ chĂŽrĂȘ\* hautĂȘ kata logon epididĂŽi es hupsos kai to homoion apodidĂŽi es auxĂȘsin,1 mĂȘ katakluzontos autĂȘn tou Neilou peisesthai ton panta chronon ton epiloipon Aiguptioi to kote autoi HellĂȘnas ephasan peisesthai. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-was-a-river-delta-first-called-a-delta/227842/4 "2004-02-07T01:54:01Z")
I am truly in awe, **bib**. And **Fierra** , congrats on a magnificent guest Report, and we hope for more from you (subtle hint.) ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-was-a-river-delta-first-called-a-delta/227842/5 "2004-02-07T04:18:43Z")
[digs out from under avalanche of information to feebly wave congratulatory flag before collapsing again] 😃 ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-was-a-river-delta-first-called-a-delta/227842/6 "2004-02-07T04:31:46Z")
Aren’t you glad I got here late. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-was-a-river-delta-first-called-a-delta/227842/7 "2004-02-07T21:01:28Z")
I was going to ask, “When is a delta not a delta?” Answer: When it’s a luvial. But I thought better of it. ---
**Author:** ![bibliophage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bibliophage/32/7615_2.png) [@bibliophage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bibliophage)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2004, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-was-a-river-delta-first-called-a-delta/227842/8 "2004-02-08T01:35:30Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > I am truly in awe, **bib**. Some people are easily impressed, I guess. It’s not like I translated or even transliterated it myself. It’s pretty easy to find such things after you’ve gotten used to how the [Perseus Digital Library](http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/) works. Provided it’s running at better than a snail’s pace. ---
**Author:** ![fierra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58956e/32.png) [@fierra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fierra)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2004, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-was-a-river-delta-first-called-a-delta/227842/9 "2004-02-08T02:22:58Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > I was going to ask, “When is a delta not a delta?” > > Answer: When it’s a luvial. > > But I thought better of it. I thought you’d have gone mathematical with “When is a delta not a delta?” Answer: When it’s the same
 And thank you for the congratulations :). ---
**Author:** ![sford](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/edb3f5/32.png) [@sford](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sford)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2004, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-was-a-river-delta-first-called-a-delta/227842/10 "2004-02-10T23:55:09Z")
I know it’s not cool to post "me too"s, but I gotta agree that it was an awsome staff report. I was impress not only by the exellent research that went into it, but also in the writing. You made a potentially dry subject interesting, without resorting to gags and winks. (I just re-read it and I’m still not sure how you did it. But you did.)