When were you proud of your country?

How many of those people, do you assume, root for athletic teams? And when their teams win, these same people beam with pride?

They have no control over a game, a season, or a lifetime of seasons, but they identify with the team and exude pride when they win - especially a BIG game.

It’s irrational, but it happens every day. But not to you, of course.

The upside for you is since you have no pride in this country, you probably never experience the opposite - shame of your country. I mean, wtf, ain’t no reason to have any guilt feelings for the shameful things we’ve done - under this administration alone!

I think both the moon landing and the return of the Apollo 13 astronauts are two high points for me.

I know athletics doesn’t count, but the US was being kicked to the ground when the 1980 olympics gave us the Miracle on Ice. I never felt so good about a sporting event, before or since, and I still get goosebumps when I think of it.

I’m pround when I see U.S. armed forces, rescue squads, and charities helping other people in other countries after natural disasters. I don’t think that makes us better than those we are helping, just luckier. I would like to think others would also reach out a hand to help if we needed it, and 9/11 proved that is so. I can’t say I’m proud of the Canadian response right after 9/11, because I’m not Canadian, but I was and am very grateful for it, on an oddly personal level.

And I find nothing stupid about group pride. Pride in the group is one of the ways you know you are truly part of the group: You feel happy for their blessings, sad for their trials, and proud of their achievements. For some the group is family. For some church, or sports team, or club or state or country. Not everyone defines their group the same way, or assigns every group the same importance, and that’s fine. But just because you can only take pride in something you’ve done your own personal self, doesn’t mean that those who identify more expansively are stupid for doing so.

Okay, whatever. I am actually a big sports fan, and I love it when my team wins. (Well, I think I would love it, it’s all theoretical at this point.) But am I proud? No, not at all. I had absolutely nothing to do with it, why should I be proud? I’m just happy cause WE WON! woooo us!

I am sooo far from being some kind of logic-based android, by the way. I don’t go around telling other people they’re being irrational. At this very moment, I am typing on the SDMB instead of studying calculus like I ought to be. (In case you’re wondering, I’m not proud of my goofing off, either.) Also, I didn’t call it stupid to be proud of your country, although I’m not sure that Jodi is responding to me specifically. (ETA: Wait, obviously she’s not. I think I need to go to bed.)

I am proud of my actual accomplishments. Being an American is not an accomplishment, so I can’t say I’m terribly proud of it. I’m not judging other people either, though.

I hope we will always be able to take it for granted. Sometimes it feels tenuous.

I’m just a bit too young to remember the moon landing, unfortunately. I was very proud of my country on July 4, 1976 (age 8), and when the US Olympic hockey team won its gold medal in 1980. I’m also proud of the Marshall Plan, the First Amendment, and free coffee refills.

I don’t think you’re seeing the bigger picture. America didn’t land on the moon because we’re smarter or somehow better than anyone else. We landed on the moon because we had the national will to do it. We have the same natural resources as Mexico or any other South American country. What they don’t have is a constitution and a social structure that has a proven track record that goes back to the success of the British Empire. As far as I’m concerned, the Sun has never set on that empire.

I was always proud of my country when I was a kid, but I later became disillusioned in college after the events of 9/11 and the extremely disappointing and embarrassing outcome of the 2000 and 2004 elections. This combined with some very liberal education resulted in what I can only describe as a kind of low-grade loathing of every day America. We, the liberal college kids, all declared how embarrassed we were to be associated with the United States, how ashamed we were of the reputation we had internationally.

Then, after spending a great deal of time learning about the country from the safety of my liberal classroom, I spent some time in southwest Mexico. I was surrounded by a lot of poverty, and by a lot of passive acceptance that the government did not care about the fate of the Mexican people. The only people I found living anything close to the ‘‘American dream’’ where both doctors who worked 7 days a week and spent an average of two hours a day at home with their family. In Mexico, I found myself longing for everything from a clean bathroom to a grilled cheese sandwich.

I traveled to six countries that summer, and I think for every moment I spent off U.S. soil, I gained a little more respect for the United States. We live in such profound luxury that here it’s possible to live below the poverty line and still have cable TV and a full stomach. Of all the people I know who have been homeless, all of them owned cars. I am not ignorant, and in fact very critical, of the failures of our infrastructure, our economy, our stupid foreign policies, but those who decry that we live in an oppressive, fascist dictatorship could use a good smack with the clue-by-four.

This country is beautiful, for about a million different reasons. For one thing there is the sheer diversity of our people – the difference in culture on the West Coast vs. the East Coast, the cross section of white people and black people and 1st, 2nd, 3rd generation immigrants who compose our populations but who all seem to love the good in this country equally. There are our astonishing natural landscapes, from the sand dunes in northern Michigan to the vastness of the Grand Canyon. There is the technology and the vast number of people in this country who are privileged enough to have access to it. There is freedom of speech and freedom of the press. There is the Wall St. Journal, The Washington Post, CNN, and yes, goddamn it, Fox News. There are our people, who are friendly and fun-loving and outgoing whether you’re in a small town in the Midwest or Midtown Manhattan. And speaking of Manhattan, I am in awe of the vast empire that is New York City.

I don’t think there is a single act that could make me ashamed to be an American. I think the majority of our citizens share the same values and hopes for our country. I think many of the decisions made on our behalf in the U.S. government are wrongheaded and at times blatantly ignorant, but I don’t believe it ever comes from a sense of ill-will. We all want our children to be educated, our poor to be fed, our moral and religious rights to be protected, our economy to be strong.

I am in fact becoming so happy to be living here, at this moment in history, at this location, that I’m starting to get really irritated when people from other countries cast Americans in a negative light. It reminds me of the same blind antipathy that led me, as a 21 year old know-it-all, to declare I was embarrassed to be an American. It comes from not really understanding what it means to be a U.S. citizen, all the sociopolitical complexities and the history that makes up who we are as a people. After a while it becomes just so much meaningless, uninformed prattle.

So yeah, I guess the answer to the OP’s question is, ‘‘All the time.’’ Driving down our paved roads, talking on my cell phone, casting my vote in the primary, watching CNN, hearing the national anthem, looking at the rubble that once was the World Trade Center in the middle of a bustling, living city that has learned to move on, being stranded on a delayed aircraft, driving through the industrial wastelands of Newark, mowing the lawn, passing the local church, going to the gym, or watching one of our awesome movies – I am proud to be an American. Most of us are tough, hard-working, practical, outgoing, fun-loving people. We might not have the cleanest streets, the best public transport system or the most brilliant government strategy, but we’ve got a lot. A damn lot. And perhaps most importantly, we’re always trying to improve.

Well, this is plain old not true. The US has much better natural resources than Mexico, which is not a South American country, by the way. We have more land, more people, and a larger percent of arable land than they do. To compare the US to any S. American country is ridiculous - what about Bolivia, which is landlocked and extremely mountainous? How can you compare that to a much larger country with huge swathes of fertile land and a wide variety of topographies?

The US really hit the jackpot when it comes to natural resources.

But even if you’re correct, I’m still not “proud” of being an American because of the Apollo moon missions. (Which are completely awesome and amazing.) I am proud of my actual accomplishments. The Apollo missions have zero to do with me. I wasn’t even alive yet in 1969, why on earth should I be proud of the first moon landing? I have no more right to pride over that than a random Mexican or Bolivian.

cite? Seriously, what is Mexico missing beyond a stable government? What do they lack that prevents individual growth? The United States was not an exporter of natural resources in the beginning and it wasn’t a land with huge swathes of fertile fields. It was heavily forested land that was made in into farmland by individuals with pick and shovel.

Again, this occurred because it had the support of it’s citizens. I understand your point but you are part of a country that changed the world on so many levels it is impossible to list them all. It had nothing to do with land and everything to do with a government born from the ideology of it’s citizens and the social structure brought to it’s shores. The United States is a continuation of the British Empire just as Canada, Australia and a myriad of other nations are. While you may have missed the moon landing and the birth of the Freedom of Information Act you are still a part of a society that created those events. Your vote, your tax dollars, your ethics are absolutely part of what has occurred and what will occur.

This. I’ve done some FOIA work, and there are very few things as empowering as the knowledge that the government must have tell you what you want to know, or have a damn good reason why it isn’t. The fact that FOIA makes governmental secrecy into something exceptional, rather than the norm, is a damn fine thing. I don’t see how democracy can work any other way.

Nothing likely, or nothing conceivable? If Obama wins, and then declares that marriage has no place in the American gov’t, and says that only people in civil unions will be eligible for tax breaks, which are of course open to anyone, would that begin to make you proud? Not gonna happen of course, but that’s something that would start to do it for me.

I can’t think of any time in my life that I’ve been proud of either New Zealand or Australia. We haven’t done anything meaningful on a National scale in a long time, IMHO.

I’ve been proud of my country as long as I can remember, but especially so when PM David Lange and his government said no to nukes in the 1980s. For once, it seemed, we were standing up for ourselves.

Even when a bus driver spent the entirity of a trip across town last night telling me why it’s a good thing to go live in Aussie, I still said to him, “I like it here. It’s my home.” And I’m proud to say that.

Well, I’m German, and thus am a bit sceptical when it comes to pride of one’s country, because too much is definitely harmful there.

But I am just old enough to realize at the time what it meant to see the Wall come down.
I am really pleased with the reintegration of the GDR that went really well, considering, and the reaching out to Eastern Europe, echoing the emerging European Union connecting us to our neighbors in the West earlier.

And when I meet young people from France or Poland and think about the difference that two thirds of a century made, and that the idea of a war today seems totally laughable, I believe that the EU is the biggest societal progress that was made in that time worldwide, for all its buerocracy and bloatedness.

Forgot to mention the Berlin Airlift. Instead of repeating the mistakes of WWI the US supported the rebuilding of Europe. The airlift was an all-out 11-month commitment to that philosophy.

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1968-I was only five years old. Martin Luther King had been killed. Bobby Kennedy had been killed. We started losing in Vietnam. The Democratic National convention happened and the* police* rioted. I was just a child and I didn’t understand what was happening, but I saw what I saw on TV.

Then, on Christmas eve, we saw the first images of the earth rising over the moon and heard the voices of the Astronauts:

William Anders
"We are now approaching lunar sunrise and, for all the people back on Earth, the crew of Apollo 8 has a message that we would like to send to you.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Jim Lovell
"And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Frank Borman
"And God said, Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

And from the crew of Apollo 8, we close with good night, good luck, a Merry Christmas – and God bless all of you, all of you on the good Earth."

Wow, just wow.

Amen to that. I was 15 when that happened, so I remember. Chaco, you write purty.

Love, Phil

I would not want to debate anyone’s humble opinion in this particular forum, but I found scriptures from space more irritating than inspiring.

The book of Genesis helped keep the earth at the center of the universe. It served as a motivation to suppress knowledge of astronomy, and thereby delayed the exploration of space.

Oh, I do feel shame for my country. I can also have fleeting moments of “Man, it was great when we did that!” (like the Apollo Moon Landing).

I don’t particularly care for sports. How people can feel proud that their team won doesn’t make sense to me either. You can feel happy about it, just as you can feel happy to be a citizen of wherever you’re from. Proud that an overpaid athlete got the winning touchdown? Unless he’s your son or something i don’t get it.