# When will the whining over Hillary's loss end? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 17, 2016, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-will-the-whining-over-hillarys-loss-end/774904 "2016-12-17T01:48:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-will-the-whining-over-hillarys-loss-end/774904/41 "2016-12-17T18:00:52Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Didn’t happen. Although they did spew a lot of racist venom on the web. The stupid Birther movement was embarrassing for the country. The “birther movement” was literally half your side. The figurehead of that movement is now president-elect, having been voted in by people like you. Some indication of shame on your part would be nice. > [@](#): > > It was the Liberals that lost their mind when Trump won. The electoral college vote will probably trigger a few more protests. Well… yeah. Imagine if the liberals had run a candidate with no experience in government, who showed time and time again his complete and utter disregard for basic morals or truth, who bragged about sexual assault, who clearly had no idea what he was talking about on current events, and who offered no indication that he had any idea how to achieve any of the (tiny, _tiny_ handful of) policies he put forward. Imagine that candidate won, despite picking up something like 3 million less votes. _That_ would be a valid comparison. Comparing Obama to Trump is fucking insulting. Yeah, no wonder there were less protests back then; Obama wasn’t a narcissistic psychopath who ran on a platform of demagogy and hate. > [@](#): > > I guess with time the Left will get over it. They’ll occupy themselves attacking and blocking every legislative proposal that Trump makes. > > Modern politics at its worst. Three things. One: just because your side does it doesn’t mean that everyone does; the democrats are _already_ pledging to work with the elements of Trump’s agenda that aren’t horrifying, as though he actually had a fucking mandate. Two: most of Trump’s “proposals” have come down to his cabinet position picks. How many of those do you see that _shouldn’t_ be fought tooth and nail? They’re almost uniformly incompetent, corrupt, or against the very reason of their department for existing. Three: if it’s modern politics at its worst, why do you support the people who did this for literally all of the last 8 years, congressional republicans? It’s like complaining about how awful all those racists are while dropping the donation check to your local KKK charter in the mail. One group of people have been very loud and proud about their utter unwillingness to work with the other side on _anything_. That’s the republicans. > [@aceplace57](#): > > I wish the primaries had yielded a decent candidate that I could support. Instead we had to choose between two bad choices. Even assuming that this statement were true, and there wasn’t every indication that Clinton would have done a pretty darn good job - she’s a policy wonk with an eye for details, with a ton of plans backed up by experts - you’re still comparing the common cold to the bubonic plague. It’s _nonsense_. We had a choice between a politician who was pretty normal with a few old scandals, and a reality TV star who offered 560 unique lies between announcing his run and winning the election, doesn’t have the slightest clue about mideastern policy, trade policy, or indeed _any policy_, and who literally thinks global warming is a myth. Nice going. > [@](#): > > Anyway, the election is done. It’s time to move forward and stop looking for excuses. Hillary ran a bad campaign. That’s why she lost. What’s your excuse? You apparently voted for Trump. What’s _your_ excuse? How do you justify that choice to yourself? > [@aceplace57](#): > > All we can do is trust our system of checks and balances. Whatever gets screwed up in the next 4 years can be fixed by a new President. What a frighteningly naive view of reality. Let’s say the republicans modify social security to privatize the trust fund. They insert all the saved cash into private investments. Then, a crash happens. Tell me - how fast can we get all that money back? Even assuming that the democrats have the wherewithal to fix it once they come back into power, can they? And of course, there’s cases like invading Iran, electing extremist supreme court judges, redrawing election lines or changing election rules to create a permanent advantage, ignoring the environment for another 4 years and making it that much harder to fight global warming internationally, and much more. We’ve had 8 years of Obama, and we _still_ face problems caused not just during Bush’s term, but during _Clinton, Bush Sr., and Reagan’s Terms_. > [@sleestak](#): > > I have a serious question. > > If the election of Trump is so horrid that people you know wanted to commit suicide over it, did you ever think that the root cause of that isn’t Trump but rather the fact that government officials have too much power over people? > > Slee No. Because in many cases, what we’re bemoaning is the _refusal_ to use the government’s power to do what needs to be done. And in many cases, we _need_ a strong government to deal with these issues. If we remove the government’s power to provide social security benefits, the problem of extreme poverty among the very old doesn’t just suddenly go away. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yeah, darn those [alleged] Russians anyway, ‘interfering’ with the election by exposing all those unsavory behind-the-scenes Democratic machinations and Hillary team criticisms of their own candidate that were never intended for public view. Tsk, tsk, tsk, so unfair! Y’know, I was gonna say something along the lines of this: Imagine if they had done the same to your party, and aired _aaaaall_ that dirty laundry. Imagine if they had gotten their hands on all the emails of the Trump Foundation, including all the emails Trump destroyed to avoid providing them in lawsuits. Imagine if they were able to sift through those hundreds of thousands of emails, hunting for _anything_ that they could take out of context and use to attack Trump. You don’t think that would hurt your candidate? You don’t think it would do so disproportionately to the actual offenses? But then I remembered that we’re talking about a candidate who publicly, on live TV, attacked a gold star family, a miss universe contestant, and bragged about committing sexual assault, and you would have voted for him anyways. I remember that it basically didn’t matter _what_ Trump did, and that he was absolutely right when he said he could fucking _shoot_ someone and not lose voters. And then I die a little inside. And so does American democracy. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-will-the-whining-over-hillarys-loss-end/774904/42 "2016-12-17T18:15:04Z")
At first I kind of felt sorry for Hillary. Her life long dream of being president was “snatched” from her…and not only that, but some from orange baboon from outa nowhere. Even though IMO most of her problems were self inflicted. Not to say the “other side” didn’t run with them…but again IMO most of them were stupid shit she either shouldn’t have done in the first place or at least when “caught” copped to it and profusely apologized that dragging it out for months/years with various levels of did not/not true/well sorta true/well true but no big deal process the Clintons have apparently patented. But she and her team just CAN NOT admit they fucked it up. They barely lost. Which means yes, some trivial “unfair” thing the other side did/had might have made the difference. But you know what that ALSO means? Some trivial stupid crap you DID could have just as well made the difference as well. Any person with a modicum of self reflections would realize that. But no, Hillary and team will go down fighting…EVERY thing they did was right and every “unfair” thing the other side did (that they would do in heartbeat too given a chance) is WHAT caused her to loose. So, given this pattern of “its everyone else’s fault mine” Hillary seems to be genetically ingrained with… Screw her…she can spend her “golden years” blaming everybody else and thinking the election was “stolen” from her…till the day she dies. It is a bitter pill…certainly one much worse than “yeah, I was THIS close and barely fucked it up”…but hey, if THAT is pill she wants to choose…so be it. As Colin Powell said “she screws up everything she touches with her hubris” (not sure that is an exact quote). So…ole Hillary…let your hubris make you bitter and miserable till the day you die…it will be your own damn fault (oh the irony). ---
**Author:** ![Me\_Billy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Me\_Billy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Me_Billy)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-will-the-whining-over-hillarys-loss-end/774904/43 "2016-12-17T18:19:10Z")
_When will the whining over Hillary’s loss end?_ Monday when the electors vote for the REAL winner (Hillary). Or when Trump is impeached. (Probably soon.) Or 4 years from now when someone else is voted in. You can read FACTS about how the REAL world feels about Trump (including many Republicans) on mainstream media and foreign news sites like… BBC UK Guardian CBC Canada CNN NY Times Washington Post LA Times ABC CBS NBC The above ALL have the same stories about Russia hacking, trump not caring about CIA briefings, etc. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-will-the-whining-over-hillarys-loss-end/774904/44 "2016-12-17T18:38:48Z")
> [@Me\_Billy](#): > > The above ALL have the same stories about Russia hacking, trump not caring about CIA briefings, etc. Like they all pretty much had stories about how Trump had no chance in hell? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-will-the-whining-over-hillarys-loss-end/774904/45 "2016-12-17T19:58:08Z")
> [@Me\_Billy](#): > > _When will the whining over Hillary’s loss end?_ > > Monday when the electors vote for the REAL winner (Hillary). This is fallacious. The U.S. does not select its president by nationwide popular vote. It never has and it was never intended to. Perhaps the myth that it does is the result of the news media over the decades slavering over popular vote counts in its election reportage, but it seems at least 98% of the population thinks the popular vote should be determinate and has no idea why it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-will-the-whining-over-hillarys-loss-end/774904/46 "2016-12-17T20:20:30Z")
Hill, You’re no Bill. Never will be. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-will-the-whining-over-hillarys-loss-end/774904/47 "2016-12-17T21:11:47Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Didn’t happen. Although they did spew a lot of racist venom on the web. The stupid Birther movement was embarrassing for the country. Luckily that seems to be over. Outgoing Sheriff “Fightin’ Joe” Arpaio is sending his research to Congress showing the birth certificate on [whitehouse.gov](http://whitehouse.gov) is an elaborate digital forgery. ---
**Author:** ![Surveyorsman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c57346/32.png) [@Surveyorsman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Surveyorsman)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-will-the-whining-over-hillarys-loss-end/774904/48 "2016-12-17T23:01:27Z")
Do you people listen to yourselves??? I’m not left or right but I am an American. Right or wrong he will be our president. This whole popular vote vs. electoral college arguement is old and has happened before. So you can, as an American, either accept the fact that he will be your president or continue on with silly rhetoric about how “ill-prepared, ill-educated, ill-whatever” as eventually, you will get the opportunity to vote him out of office in 4 years. Consider this. How do you define who’s prepared for that office? There’s no “school for presidents”. There’s no wise old person who can teach the presidency. However, millions voted for him…over any other republican candidate. Millions of people voted for him in the general. Those of you who say that those who voted for him are ignorant, dumb, stupid, racist or name your own derogatory slur are what’s dividing this country. I was not real excited for either candidate, but in the end, it’s our duty to support the institution of the presidency. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-will-the-whining-over-hillarys-loss-end/774904/49 "2016-12-17T23:04:44Z")
Bingo to the above. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-will-the-whining-over-hillarys-loss-end/774904/50 "2016-12-17T23:07:04Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The whining ISN’T about Hillary losing. If pretty much any other Republican had won, there wouldn’t be any whining. If Romney had won, or GW Bush, or even Ted Cruz, there wouldn’t be this kind of prolonged outrage. > > It’s because TRUMP won. Trump is an ignorant, ill-educated, narcissistic opportunist who has no principles and is different from every other Republican candidate who has run (win or lose) in living memory. > > And because he won the Electoral College while LOSING the popular vote by 2.8+ million votes. I agree with pretty much everything above. Plus–did he win? Or did Russian Espionage hand it to him? And–did he have foreknowledge of that espionage? ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-will-the-whining-over-hillarys-loss-end/774904/51 "2016-12-17T23:09:55Z")
> [@Surveyorsman](#): > > Do you people listen to yourselves??? > > I’m not left or right but I am an American. Right or wrong he will be our president. This whole popular vote vs. electoral college arguement is old and has happened before. > > So you can, as an American, either accept the fact that he will be your president or continue on with silly rhetoric about how “ill-prepared, ill-educated, ill-whatever” as eventually, you will get the opportunity to vote him out of office in 4 years. So … no one should criticize elected officials because they are elected? That is really, really not how it works. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-will-the-whining-over-hillarys-loss-end/774904/52 "2016-12-17T23:13:37Z")
> [@](#): > > Consider this. How do you define who’s prepared for that office? There’s no “school for presidents”. There’s no wise old person who can teach the presidency. However, millions voted for him…over any other republican candidate. Millions of people voted for him in the general. Those of you who say that those who voted for him are ignorant, dumb, stupid, racist or name your own derogatory slur are what’s dividing this country. He literally ran on a platform of dividing the country. Opposing him is the only way to even attempt to reuinite the country. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-will-the-whining-over-hillarys-loss-end/774904/53 "2016-12-17T23:37:26Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > He literally ran on a platform of dividing the country. Opposing him is the only way to even attempt to reuinite the country. Rabidly opposing someone who apparently would get roughly half of the populations vote if everyone voted and calling those people bad names and claiming their goal is to divide the country is the only way to UNITE the country… Yeah, that’s the ticket. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-will-the-whining-over-hillarys-loss-end/774904/54 "2016-12-17T23:55:42Z")
> [@Surveyorsman](#): > > . . . as eventually, you will get the opportunity to vote him out of office in 4 years. . . . Some of the damage he will cause cannot be repaired. Endangered species will become extinct, as he removes them from federal protection. Voting the guy out won’t bring back the dead. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-will-the-whining-over-hillarys-loss-end/774904/55 "2016-12-18T00:09:22Z")
> [@Surveyorsman](#): > > Do you people listen to yourselves??? > > I’m not left or right but I am an American. Right or wrong he will be our president. This whole popular vote vs. electoral college arguement is old and has happened before. > > So you can, as an American, either accept the fact that he will be your president or continue on with silly rhetoric about how “ill-prepared, ill-educated, ill-whatever” as eventually, you will get the opportunity to vote him out of office in 4 years. > > Consider this. How do you define who’s prepared for that office? There’s no “school for presidents”. There’s no wise old person who can teach the presidency. However, millions voted for him…over any other republican candidate. Millions of people voted for him in the general. Those of you who say that those who voted for him are ignorant, dumb, stupid, racist or name your own derogatory slur are what’s dividing this country. > > I was not real excited for either candidate, but in the end, it’s our duty to support the institution of the presidency. I respect the institution of the Presidency. Because of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, \*et al. \* I’m quite sure Trump will be made President–but will continue to consider him ill-prepared, ignorant & emotionally immature. Will the Republicans decide to dump him before those 4 years end? If so, they’ll just put a more well-manicured option in the White House. (Will Trump ever actually live there?) I well remember the last time we had a popular-vote-losing Republican inaugurated. Bush Jr was bad for the country but Trump will be worse. We have other elections in just 2 years–let’s hope the sane people turn out, for a change. My part of Texas is pretty Blue–more progress is needed. Do not presume to lecture me on my “duty.” ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-will-the-whining-over-hillarys-loss-end/774904/56 "2016-12-18T00:19:13Z")
> [@Surveyorsman](#): > > …So you can, as an American, either accept the fact that he will be your president or continue on with silly rhetoric about how “ill-prepared, ill-educated, ill-whatever” as eventually, you will get the opportunity to vote him out of office in 4 years. > > … Those aren’t the only two choices and the discussion is neither silly nor mere rhetoric. The damage he can do in four years will last a lot longer than four years. And yes, we are listening to ourselves. Are you listening to US? Wow, I just had a flashback to the 60s. Does anyone else remember [“America, Love It or Leave It?”](https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0398/9305/products/love_it_or_leave_it_large.jpg?v=1433545618) Just got a big whiff of patchouli oil… and I’ve suddenly got the munchies. ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-will-the-whining-over-hillarys-loss-end/774904/57 "2016-12-18T00:27:54Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I check the server logs every morning at work. I see my system getting probed at least weekly. It’s a constant battle to stay ahead and keep our server secure. So YOU are the cybersecurity team at your workplace? And you see your network being probed _weekly_? OMG, dude, you are likely already breached and don’t even know it. Research “living off the land” and bring in some outside cybersecurity help. I can almost promise you your network is being hit a lot more than “at least weekly”. If that is all you are seeing, you don’t have good intel. Very decent chance you’ve already got a black hat inside your network. Did you know that 2/3rds of breaches are NEVER discovered by the breached company? You’ll never know until you get a call from law enforcement or an outside cybersecurity company. Given the lack of sophistication your comments about cybersecurity have shown, I would be concerned about my data security if I worked at your company. Falling for a spear-fishing attack doesn’t make Podesta an idiot. It makes him someone who did not grow up using computers everyday. You are aware that your guy (Don the Con) refers to is as “The Cyber”, right? Don;t think you guys can mock anyone for having an older guy who is not 100% up to speed on computer nuances. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-will-the-whining-over-hillarys-loss-end/774904/58 "2016-12-18T00:53:50Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The whining ISN’T about Hillary losing. If pretty much any other Republican had won, there wouldn’t be any whining. That’s the funniest thing I’ve read all week. Ted Cruz is a regular hero in these parts! Marco Rubio? Beloved above all others by posters here. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-will-the-whining-over-hillarys-loss-end/774904/59 "2016-12-18T01:01:47Z")
Marco! Rubio! First person to the SDMB pool is a wanker! ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-will-the-whining-over-hillarys-loss-end/774904/60 "2016-12-18T01:19:41Z")
> [@Surveyorsman](#): > > Consider this. How do you define who’s prepared for that office? There’s no “school for presidents”. There’s no wise old person who can teach the presidency. Here’s a hint that you might not be prepared for the presidency: when asked about a fairly significant current event, you offer a complete word salad that manages to lie about the current state of events, dive into another subject, then completely lie about that one too. [Like, say, here](http://www.vox.com/world/2016/10/19/13341882/donald-trump-third-debate-aleppo). Yeah, there’s no job that is quite like the presidency. But it _is_ possible to prepare for it. Other jobs in government teach you related useful skills. Diplomacy, civics, knowledge of the constitution, an interest in world events… You know, learning how to be a statesman at a national and international level. You could act as an aide to a sitting president, or be married to one. You could be a governor, which is like being the president, but on a much smaller scale. You could learn statesmanship by being a senator, and use that experience to understand how politics _really_ works. Or, failing all of that, you could at least listen to your goddamn intelligence briefings and _pretend_ to give even the slightest shit! Trump has done absolutely none of those things. Trump supporters apparently don’t give a fuck. > [@](#): > > However, millions voted for him…over any other republican candidate. Millions of people voted for him in the general. Those of you who say that those who voted for him are ignorant, dumb, stupid, racist or name your own derogatory slur are what’s dividing this country. Well shit, how would _you_ describe people who voted for Trump? > [@](#): > > I was not real excited for either candidate, but in the end, it’s our duty to support the institution of the presidency. I’ll tell you what. I’ll give the institution of the presidency as much support as the president-elect does. And given that he’s committed to producing a fucking TV show, but not getting his fucking intelligence briefings, the amount is clearly “zero”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-will-the-whining-over-hillarys-loss-end/774904.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/when-will-the-whining-over-hillarys-loss-end/774904.md?page=4)