# Where are all the election deniers hiding? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 11, 2022, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-election-deniers-hiding/974758 "2022-11-11T18:20:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-election-deniers-hiding/974758/21 "2022-11-12T14:20:21Z")
Nice. But, did he/she lose by more than expected (say, average of reputable polls in last two weeks)? ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-election-deniers-hiding/974758/22 "2022-11-12T14:27:13Z")
Late-in-the-race, high-quality poll: “There’s better news for Minnesota’s Democratic incumbent Secretary of State Steve Simon, who leads Republican challenger [and full-out election denier] Kim Crockett 47% to 41% with 12% undecided.” Simon ended up beating Crockett 54.6% to 45.4%. So, he went up from about 6% lead in polling to about 9% in the election – i.e., more undecideds did indeed break for Simon. Nice. (ETA: In addition, what BlinkingDuck said – thanks!) > **[KSTP/SurveyUSA poll: DFL leads governor, secretary of state races; GOP...](https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/kstp-surveyusa-poll-dfl-leads-governor-secretary-of-state-races-gop-leads-ag-auditor-campaigns/)** > > Minnesota Republicans are seeking to break a 16-year losing streak in statewide races, and 2022 could be shaping up to be the year it happens. ---
**Author:** ![BlinkingDuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@BlinkingDuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlinkingDuck)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-election-deniers-hiding/974758/23 "2022-11-12T14:27:33Z")
She did! Governor - The Dem won 52.3% vs 44.6% Attorney General - the Dem won by 50.4% to 49.6%. The Repub candidate was a little MAGA but hid it. The self proclaimed election denier in chief lost 🙂 Secretary of State - The Dem won by 54.6% to 45.4%. She came across as full MAGA nuts. So, in MN you can see a relationship between MAGAness and losing by more. Ok - Looking at it again it might not be so clear cut. The Republican for Governor was likely hurt by his abortion stance - he was on record saying he was against abortion even for rape. The reason the Attorney General was so tight was because he was the official most under fire for Covid and the 2020 mass demonstrations. He is also Black. So maybe not so clear cut…But BUT for Secretary of State, the Republican was very MAGA and the Dem candidate won by the most %. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-election-deniers-hiding/974758/24 "2022-11-12T14:39:44Z")
It’s actually fine Spanish, “soy un perdedor” means “I’m a habitual loser”. “Soy el perdedor” would refer to an individual game or instance; “soy un fracaso” would mean “I’m a failure”, “soy un desgraciado” is “I was born under a bad star, then things got worse”, “soy desgraciado” is the kind of thing said by someone who is trying to commit suicide by soda, not realizing that’s a really slow way to die. Then we have “eres un desgraciado”, which is actually closer to “you’re a disgrace” than to “you’re unlucky”… Hi, I’m alive! ---
**Author:** ![BlinkingDuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@BlinkingDuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlinkingDuck)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-election-deniers-hiding/974758/25 "2022-11-12T14:47:00Z")
Better post than mine 🙂 Kim Crockett was even BEYOND full MAGA nutszoid…she was caught on tape questioning why DISABLED people should be allowed to vote! It’s interesting. It could be like glimpsing into the future of 10-20 years if election deniers took firm control…Disabled people voting? They aren’t productive! No vote for them! ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-election-deniers-hiding/974758/26 "2022-11-12T15:02:24Z")
The Crybaby strategy has become nothing more than The Boy Who Cried Wolf. So sorry, Donald. Sad. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-election-deniers-hiding/974758/27 "2022-11-12T15:30:51Z")
This post was music to my eyes. 😀 ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-election-deniers-hiding/974758/28 "2022-11-12T15:44:07Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > She was asked outright if she would contest a loss and she said multiple times (with a creepy grim reaper smile) that she will not lose. She has all the bonafides of a charismatic cult leader and femme fatale in a soap opera. From a democrat Buddhist to right wing Christian republican her acting career should be taking off in as the shitstorm churns ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-election-deniers-hiding/974758/29 "2022-11-12T16:02:47Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > > [@Tamerlane](#): > > > > Kari Lake in AZ, who is trailing in the governor’s race but not by much, is already grimly hinting that if she loses it will be fraud. > > What do you mean she’s “already hinted”? She said very clearly long before the election that she will never accept losing. She was asked outright if she would contest a loss and she said multiple times (with a creepy grim reaper smile) that she will not lose. Last night’s votes from Maricopa County broke pretty blue, even with 10k in person votes (which had been going 65/35 red). Not looking so good for the last major election denier (I’m ignoring Alabama). There is a cure for Election Denialism. We can run ads “Do you suffer from ED? Try Rationality, available without a prescription.” ---
**Author:** ![dolphinboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dolphinboy/32/330_2.png) [@dolphinboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dolphinboy)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-election-deniers-hiding/974758/30 "2022-11-12T16:06:07Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Didn’t stop Trump from claiming the 2016 election was rigged. So he said the 2016 election was rigged, even though he won? I thought that was after the 2020 election when he lost after being ahead. He didn’t understand that mail-in ballots were still being counted. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-election-deniers-hiding/974758/31 "2022-11-12T16:35:03Z")
No. That requires self-awareness. ---
**Author:** ![Lancia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lancia/32/17174_2.png) [@Lancia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lancia)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-election-deniers-hiding/974758/32 "2022-11-12T16:37:53Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Hi, I’m alive! I’m going to temporarily stop this thread in its tracks to welcome you on your triumphant return! You’ve been sorely missed and yes, many of us sincerely believed something unfortunate had happened to you (we’ve lost several long-time posters in last year or so). So welcome back! I for one hope you stay for a while 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-election-deniers-hiding/974758/33 "2022-11-12T17:00:42Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Kari Lake in AZ, who is trailing in the governor’s race but not by much, is already grimly hinting that if she loses it will be fraud. The same for Kelly Chewbaka (Tshibaka) in Alaska. She has a very slim lead over Murkowski, but there are still thousands of absentee and ranked-choice votes to be counted. Chewbaka is already asking for donations to mount a recount challenge. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-election-deniers-hiding/974758/34 "2022-11-12T17:06:00Z")
> [@BlinkingDuck](#): > > Minnesota. We had the self-proclaimed ‘Election-denier-in chief’ soundly lose. As well as that guy running for governor. What is it with doctors thinking they can be lawmakers? At least the guy claiming he was under fire in the military was shown for the liar he is. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-election-deniers-hiding/974758/35 "2022-11-12T17:11:56Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Hi, I’m alive! wow…I’ve been worried about you. And how did you manage to live for the past year or so without reading the Dope every day? Welcome Back!! ---
**Author:** ![paulmarkj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@paulmarkj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulmarkj)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-election-deniers-hiding/974758/36 "2022-11-12T17:22:57Z")
Deniers get in a tizzy about ‘how is it possible for Dems to get more votes than Trump/republicans’. In itself, their inability to accept such a scenario is illogical.But I was reminded today that Clinton beat Trump by 3 million votes in 2016, which makes their logic even more illoigical! ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-election-deniers-hiding/974758/37 "2022-11-12T17:27:23Z")
Reading the thread title triggers a song cue:one might say that Trump is holding out for a hero? ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-election-deniers-hiding/974758/38 "2022-11-12T17:59:02Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > It’s actually fine Spanish, “soy un perdedor” means “I’m a habitual loser”. Nava, great to hear from you, and thank you for the correction! ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-election-deniers-hiding/974758/39 "2022-11-12T18:07:40Z")
It’s nice to see you back and posting, @Nava! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2022, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-election-deniers-hiding/974758/40 "2022-11-12T18:08:28Z")
First off, welcome back @Nava, it’s good to see you again. 🙂 In Washington State one of the races was for Secretary of State. It was a big deal. Here’s why. For 58 years(?!) that position has been held by Republicans. It’s the top election authority in the state. The last person to be elected to the position was Kim Schrier, who left her position to work for the Biden administration. (Yes, she _was_ a Republican.) Kim, by the way, ran for the House as a Democrat in this election and won. She’s pretty much the definition of “moderate”. Anyway, Steve Hobbs, a Democrat, was appointed in her place when she left. He ran for election to continue to do the job. The Republicans couldn’t even get someone through the primaries this year and he was opposed by an independent, Julie Anderson, who campaigned on making the elections more secure. Considering the election system in the state has been pretty great, I read that as an election denier dog whistle. As of yesterday, she officially lost and conceded, Hobbs won, and the state has its first Democrat in that position for almost 6 decades. I see that as a big sign that people are fighting back against the efforts to ruin our democracy in the name of fighting non-existent fraud. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-election-deniers-hiding/974758.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-election-deniers-hiding/974758.md?page=3)