# Where can I find that damn cartoon?!

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**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [February 19, 2006, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-can-i-find-that-damn-cartoon/345183 "2006-02-19T06:51:54Z")\
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**Author:** ![Surbey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@Surbey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Surbey)\
**Post date:** [February 19, 2006, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-can-i-find-that-damn-cartoon/345183/1 "2006-02-19T06:51:54Z")

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Any idea where I can find the cartoon thats making all these muslims soo angry. Would be nice to see what people keep getting killed over.

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [February 19, 2006, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-can-i-find-that-damn-cartoon/345183/2 "2006-02-19T07:04:48Z")

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[Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy)

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**Author:** ![DMark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DMark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMark)\
**Post date:** [February 19, 2006, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-can-i-find-that-damn-cartoon/345183/3 "2006-02-19T10:28:04Z")

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> [@Little Nemo](#):
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> [Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy)

Thanks for the link!

I too had wanted to see what the fuss is about.

I am aware that any image is supposedly blasphemy.

Those are pretty lame drawings.

Further comments from me should probably be in the pit, but suffice it to say, “Much Ado About Nothing” was a great play, and appropriate reading for those easily offended.

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**Author:** ![Max\_the\_Immortal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Max\_the\_Immortal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_the_Immortal)\
**Post date:** [February 19, 2006, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-can-i-find-that-damn-cartoon/345183/4 "2006-02-19T11:38:46Z")

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Those are the cartoons? Just that?

Hmm… any further comments on my part belong in other threads.

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**Author:** ![Surbey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@Surbey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Surbey)\
**Post date:** [February 20, 2006, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-can-i-find-that-damn-cartoon/345183/5 "2006-02-20T00:30:24Z")

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> [@Max the Immortal](#):
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> Those are the cartoons? Just that?
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> Hmm… any further comments on my part belong in other threads.

Mine as well, thanks for the link though

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**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\
**Post date:** [February 20, 2006, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-can-i-find-that-damn-cartoon/345183/6 "2006-02-20T00:33:23Z")

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I’d read somewhere they were first published four months ago in an Egyptian newspaper with no outcry. Why all the fuss now?

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [February 20, 2006, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-can-i-find-that-damn-cartoon/345183/7 "2006-02-20T22:19:50Z")

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> [@](#):
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> Those are the cartoons? Just that?

It’s a cultural divide. Islam forbids the depictation of human images. So depicting Muhammad is an inherently controversial action regardless of the nature of the image.

But a bigger issue is that the cartoons are often not shown in their original state. The link I gave shows the originals. But that is not how they are usually shown by the people organizing mobs. Copies have had additional images added to the originals and the additional images are much more derogatory than the originals.

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**Author:** ![JoeSki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b487fb/32.png) [@JoeSki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoeSki)\
**Post date:** [February 20, 2006, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-can-i-find-that-damn-cartoon/345183/8 "2006-02-20T22:29:30Z")

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Why is it so hard to get ahold of the same images, enlarged for reading, over here? I don’t understand how something like a cartoon can be widespread enough to be controversial in one place, and then impossible to find even online in another

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**Author:** ![mobo85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mobo85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobo85)\
**Post date:** [February 20, 2006, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-can-i-find-that-damn-cartoon/345183/9 "2006-02-20T23:24:06Z")

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[This link](http://cryptome.org/muhammad.htm) from the Wikipedia article shows larger versions of the cartoons. I agree that the controversy is rather silly. The only one that could be considered majorly offensive is the bomb one. I realize that Mohammad is not to be drawn, but I find it strange that the Muslim world doesn’t have another way to complain.

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**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-can-i-find-that-damn-cartoon/345183/10 "2006-02-21T01:34:12Z")

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> [@mobo85](#):
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> I agree that the controversy is rather silly.

Never underestimate the ability of religious zealots to get all a-twitter over [silly stuff](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python's_Life_of_Brian#Blasphemy_allegations) (or even [odd fetishes](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ)).

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**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-can-i-find-that-damn-cartoon/345183/11 "2006-02-21T03:25:28Z")

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> [@ivylass](#):
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> I’d read somewhere they were first published four months ago in an Egyptian newspaper with no outcry. Why all the fuss now?

The fuss was ginned up by spiking the mix with a couple of newly created images designed to be offensive and misrepresenting them as part of the original batch of cartoons.

As for the instigator’s motive… well, you’d have to ask him.

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**Author:** ![mobo85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mobo85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobo85)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-can-i-find-that-damn-cartoon/345183/12 "2006-02-21T23:57:09Z")

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> [@rjung](#):
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> Never underestimate the ability of religious zealots to get all a-twitter over [silly stuff](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python's_Life_of_Brian#Blasphemy_allegations) (or even [odd fetishes](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ)).

True, but very few people die in American Christian protests.

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**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-can-i-find-that-damn-cartoon/345183/13 "2006-02-22T00:32:22Z")

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> [@mobo85](#):
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> True, but very few people die in American Christian protests.

[They will if they’re sufficiently enraged.](http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm)

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**Author:** ![mobo85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mobo85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobo85)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-can-i-find-that-damn-cartoon/345183/14 "2006-02-22T00:41:07Z")

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> [@rjung](#):
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> [They will if they’re sufficiently enraged.](http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm)

Never thought about that. I guess since the baby dies anyway, they figure fair is fair.

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-can-i-find-that-damn-cartoon/345183/15 "2006-02-22T00:45:00Z")

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> [@Little Nemo](#):
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> It’s a cultural divide. Islam forbids the depictation of human images.

If that’s true, then how do they justify parading through the streets with poster-sized photos of suicide bombers?

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**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-can-i-find-that-damn-cartoon/345183/16 "2006-02-22T01:20:05Z")

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> [@mobo85](#):
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> …The only one that could be considered majorly offensive is the bomb one…

Quick question for anyone who can respond-- how is it indicated that the person in this pic is Mohammed? Is there writing in (or accompanying) it? (my comments about it being, originally, a bit lame, but now a ridiculously appropriate symbol of violence in the name of religion, will of course be put in another forum).

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**Author:** ![mobo85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mobo85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobo85)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-can-i-find-that-damn-cartoon/345183/17 "2006-02-22T01:34:05Z")

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> [@Cat Fight](#):
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> Quick question for anyone who can respond-- how is it indicated that the person in this pic is Mohammed? Is there writing in (or accompanying) it? (my comments about it being, originally, a bit lame, but now a ridiculously appropriate symbol of violence in the name of religion, will of course be put in another forum).

I don’t know how they originally appeared in the Jyylands-Posten, but all of the cartoons are supposed to be of Muhammad, except for two which are drawings of the cartoonists drawing Muhammad, one of a police lineup with Muhammed and others, and one of a Danish child _named_ Muhammad. The text on the bomb in the aforementioned cartoon is the Islamic creed- “There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet.”
