# Where did this blues stereotype come from? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 25, 2018, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-blues-stereotype-come-from/818570 "2018-07-25T18:30:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dstarfire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dstarfire/32/5762_2.png) [@dstarfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dstarfire)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-blues-stereotype-come-from/818570/1 "2018-07-25T18:30:22Z")
Back in the 80’s-90’s the most common example of playing the blues was something like Doot doo duh doo (on a bass-heavy electric guitar) I got the blues. Doot doo duh doo Yeah I got the blues. Doot doo duh doo I’ve got the “I’m to happy to sing the blues” blues. with the last line being more a summary of their complaint, then they’d go into singing about the specifics for a verse or two before being interrupted. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-blues-stereotype-come-from/818570/2 "2018-07-25T19:09:40Z")
Hi, dstarfire. Do you have any specific examples? This sounds more like blues parody to me, e.g., _The Simpsons Sing the Blues_. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-blues-stereotype-come-from/818570/3 "2018-07-25T19:18:11Z")
What part are you asking about? That’s pretty much the standard 12-bar blues formula. Sing a line Sing the same line again (perhaps with minor variation) Sing a different line closing the thought (And, furthermore, the first line is sung over the first four bars of the I chord; the second line is sung over two bars of IV and two of I, and the last line is sung over the turnaround [often a V-IV-I-I]). And in between lines, there’s usually some instrumental fill, be it guitar, harmonica, piano, horns, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-blues-stereotype-come-from/818570/4 "2018-07-25T20:05:00Z")
By “Doot doo duh doo”, do you mean something [like this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5QKpsVzndc)? Regarding the lyrics, Wikipedia has [this to say](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blues#Lyrics): > [@](#): > > The lyrics of early traditional blues verses probably often consisted of a single line repeated four times. It was only in the first decades of the 20th century that the most common current structure became standard: the so-called AAB pattern, consisting of a line sung over the four first bars, its repetition over the next four, and then a longer concluding line over the last bars. Two of the first published blues songs, “Dallas Blues” (1912) and “Saint Louis Blues” (1914), were 12-bar blues with the AAB lyric structure. W. C. Handy wrote that he adopted this convention to avoid the monotony of lines repeated three times. Here are the lyrics for “[Dallas Blues](https://lyricsplayground.com/alpha/songs/d/dallasblues.html)” and “[Saint Louis Blues](https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/louisarmstrong/saintlouisblues.html)”. Both songs have verses of three lines, with the lines in each verse rhyming with each other, although only in some of the verses is the second line is a repeat of the first line. ---
**Author:** ![dstarfire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dstarfire/32/5762_2.png) [@dstarfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dstarfire)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-blues-stereotype-come-from/818570/5 "2018-07-25T20:13:58Z")
Okay, I was able to find the scene I was thinking of on youtube. [Cody Lambert - Blue - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4TjcXJF58s) Weirdly, I remember the guitar part as slower, simpler, and with just a single iteration between each line. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-blues-stereotype-come-from/818570/6 "2018-07-25T20:36:38Z")
From the “Doot doo duh doo” part I figured the OP was talking about the riff and cadence of Muddy Waters’ classic [Mannish Boy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSfqNEvykv0/new), popularized in the latter part of the 20th century by George Thorogood as [Bad to the Bone](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyhJ69mD7xI). ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-blues-stereotype-come-from/818570/7 "2018-07-25T20:44:49Z")
When I heard “Doot doo duh do”, the first thing I thought of was Muddy Waters’ “Mannish Boy”, which you can listen to [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSfqNEvykv0). That formula has been copied repeatedly by other blues artists and by people parodying the blues. The start of the song with the beat is at 0:34. The Blues often uses a number of standard formats or structures. "Call and Response’ phrasing, 12 bar blues forms, standard chord progressions - these provide a common musical background that then allows the musician to layer on lyrics, solos, etc. So when you hear a blues song it is often instantly recognizable as the blues and will often sound somewhat familiar to other blues songs. The differences can be in the details. ---
**Author:** ![BobBitchin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ea924/32.png) [@BobBitchin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobBitchin)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-blues-stereotype-come-from/818570/8 "2018-07-25T20:45:27Z")
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say, what you noticed was the rebirth/repopularization of blues with the explosion of stand up comedy. Stevie Ray Vaughn and others made the blues very visible in the 80’s and every hack comedian had a bit about “I woke up this morning”. Boom a cliche is born.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-blues-stereotype-come-from/818570/9 "2018-07-25T20:53:09Z")
Aye; my friend Robert Klein’s [_I Can’t Stop My Leg_](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLSTw1XYwPY) dates back to the early 1970s. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-blues-stereotype-come-from/818570/10 "2018-07-25T21:11:36Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Both songs have verses of three lines, with the lines in each verse rhyming with each other, although only in some of the verses is the second line is a repeat of the first line. Yeah, St. Louis Blues strays around a bit from 12-bar blues (the “St Louis woman, with her diamond rings” part is a B section with a 16-bar format and different chord progression. I assume this is because this was proto-popular blues and the conventions hadn’t gotten established yet.) Like check out [Kansas Joe McCoy & Memphis Minnie’s “When the Levee Breaks” from 1927.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swhEa8vuP6U) That follows the 12-bar-blues progression and AAB lyric format throughout. Or Robert Johnson [I Believe I’ll Dust My Broom](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4ZW08zOkYU) (1936), which has the stereotypical root-fifth, root-sixth, root-fifth, root-sixth accompaniament in the background. It’s a very old established blues trope. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-blues-stereotype-come-from/818570/11 "2018-07-25T21:47:06Z")
If you want to hear the origins, you can’t go much further back than Blind Lemon Jefferson and his recordings in the 1920s.[Black Snake Moan](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3yd-c91ww8) is a pretty-much-perfect example of the style. ---
**Author:** ![dstarfire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dstarfire/32/5762_2.png) [@dstarfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dstarfire)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-blues-stereotype-come-from/818570/12 "2018-07-25T22:15:49Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > When I heard “Doot doo duh do”, the first thing I thought of was Muddy Waters’ “Mannish Boy”, which you can listen to [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSfqNEvykv0). That formula has been copied repeatedly by other blues artists and by people parodying the blues. The start of the song with the beat is at 0:34. YES!! That’s exactly it. That’s the melody I was thinking of, and the pattern of 5-note melody on guitar - a sentence of lyrics - guitar melody - repeat. So, was that “I got the blues” - “I got the blues” - " I got the (whatever) blues" pattern used in actual music, or was it just standard joke fodder? ---
**Author:** ![DavidwithanR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@DavidwithanR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidwithanR)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-blues-stereotype-come-from/818570/13 "2018-07-25T23:01:44Z")
> [@dstarfire](#): > > YES!! That’s exactly it. That’s the melody I was thinking of, and the pattern of 5-note melody on guitar - a sentence of lyrics - guitar melody - repeat. > > So, was that “I got the blues” - “I got the blues” - " I got the (whatever) blues" pattern used in actual music, or was it just standard joke fodder? Both, really. Blues has ALWAYS relied on repetition, and on expanded modified repetition, as part of the way the style works. Any characteristic can be overdone. And once you have an overdone characteristic, you are asking for parody. If you mean these exact words “I got the blues / I got the blues / I got the [something] blues” - I’m not sure. But the idea is there. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-blues-stereotype-come-from/818570/14 "2018-07-25T23:21:04Z")
> [@dstarfire](#): > > YES!! That’s exactly it. That’s the melody I was thinking of, and the pattern of 5-note melody on guitar - a sentence of lyrics - guitar melody - repeat. > > So, was that “I got the blues” - “I got the blues” - " I got the (whatever) blues" pattern used in actual music, or was it just standard joke fodder? The earliest blues were in that format. But there are a million blues parodies. Here are two by Robert Klein. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWX-FmJaSsw (At 48:30) ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-blues-stereotype-come-from/818570/15 "2018-07-25T23:34:14Z")
This is WC Handy on Ed Sullivans show in 1949, playing his own St Louis Blues, which I think was the first blues ever copyrighted. I think you can hear the repetition theme. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-blues-stereotype-come-from/818570/16 "2018-07-25T23:57:54Z")
The form was so well known that Martin Mull was parodying it in 1973 with [Ukelele Blues](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq2as7ORx_A) ---
**Author:** ![minlokwat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/minlokwat/32/2844_2.png) [@minlokwat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minlokwat)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-blues-stereotype-come-from/818570/17 "2018-07-26T10:06:26Z")
And one more: [Babysitting Blues](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=552PLnE61TM) ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-blues-stereotype-come-from/818570/18 "2018-07-26T11:32:14Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > When I heard “Doot doo duh do”, the first thing I thought of was Muddy Waters’ “Mannish Boy”, which you can listen to [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSfqNEvykv0). That formula has been copied repeatedly by other blues artists and by people parodying the blues. The start of the song with the beat is at 0:34. > > The Blues often uses a number of standard formats or structures. "Call and Response’ phrasing, 12 bar blues forms, standard chord progressions - these provide a common musical background that then allows the musician to layer on lyrics, solos, etc. So when you hear a blues song it is often instantly recognizable as the blues and will often sound somewhat familiar to other blues songs. The differences can be in the details. I thought Muddy Waters as well. He was a national treasure, [Here he is](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Sj5tpn-no) doing Mannish Boy with The Band. What a stage presence he had. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-blues-stereotype-come-from/818570/19 "2018-07-26T12:26:11Z")
Muddy Waters. When I first heard his music, I couldn’t help but think of Adventures in Babysitting and couldn’t take the music seriously. I haven’t heard any other blues that affected me the same way, despite a lot of it being 12-bar. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-blues-stereotype-come-from/818570/20 "2018-07-26T13:05:50Z")
Love both the Babysitting Blues (thanks for the link) and the Muddy Waters song. [Deborah Coleman](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83UYwdiqpZY) did a great gender switched version. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-blues-stereotype-come-from/818570.md?page=2)