# Where did this "Moon god" nonsense come from? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 15, 2015, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-moon-god-nonsense-come-from/720111 "2015-05-15T15:30:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-moon-god-nonsense-come-from/720111/41 "2015-05-16T09:08:37Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > The “idiots” merely take note of the fact that Catholics pray to Mary, a practice that BY DEFINITION means that they are worshiping her. Catholics can claim otherwise until they’re blue in the face–it does them no good. Actions speak louder than words. That’s bullshit of the lowest order. Pray does not automatically mean worship. Here’s a good example for you: “Pray tell where you got that bull from?” I guarantee you that I am not worshiping you. Catholics are not worshiping the lady; they’re asking her assistance with their worship of her son. > [@](#): > > On the issue of Muslims, it is self-evident that their god is not God. If it were, they would be Christians, not Muslims. More bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-moon-god-nonsense-come-from/720111/42 "2015-05-16T09:14:38Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Many Protestants include their earthly parents in their prayers, so Protestants are “ancestor worshipers.” I’m going to have to remember this line the next time some ignoramus (akin to Flyer) tells me that I, as LDS, do not worship God. > [@](#): > > Muslims worship Allah, who created Adam and Eve, flooded the world save for Noah, destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, and asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. Do you imagine there were two separate Gods who performed all of these actions in parallel? I thought (and I may be mistaken) that the Islamic recounting of the Abraham’s intended sacrifice had Ishmael in Isaac’s place. > [@](#): > > (Do you imagine that Jews worship a different God than Christians do? “It it were, they would be Christians, not Jews,” by the same logic.) I’ve wondered who the Fundamentalists who condemn Jews think the Jews are worshiping if not the deity supported in the Bible. > [@](#): > > This is the Pit, and you’re an ignorant fuck. Nah, just a rude Fundamentalist. Oh, I see that’s what you just said there. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-moon-god-nonsense-come-from/720111/43 "2015-05-16T09:27:13Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > Malysia, and some other places I think, have made it illegal for Christians to use the word “Allah”. no it is only malaysia, and of course very stupid. But the decision seems to be just attacking the [catholic church](http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/all-is-not-lost-allah-decision-confined-to-herald-only-lawyers-say) newspaper. it is very stupid in any case and against all islamic teaching ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-moon-god-nonsense-come-from/720111/44 "2015-05-16T09:41:20Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > Allah (otherwise known as “god”) did NOT do all those things. On the contrary, God did those things. apparently the one true god is also american english speaking… funny. > [@](#): > > Many so-called “Christians” do the same thing.) very convincing… no, actually not. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-moon-god-nonsense-come-from/720111/45 "2015-05-16T09:42:16Z")
Oh, I forgot to ask [del]Jesus Christ[/del] [del]Fred Phelps[/del] Flyer something: So, which group or groups have made it onto your short list of those who actually worship the true deity? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-moon-god-nonsense-come-from/720111/46 "2015-05-16T09:43:22Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > > [@Flyer](#): > > > > Allah (otherwise known as “god”) did NOT do all those things. > > apparently the one true god is also american english speaking… funny. And, evidently, not all that up on the capitalization rules for American English! ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-moon-god-nonsense-come-from/720111/47 "2015-05-16T09:51:41Z")
Christians have some gall going around talking about “the one true God.” You mean three, right? A lot of mental gymnastics on that part. You can also lump the devil on there as a fourth god. You guys just took every god of the underworld and filed the serial numbers off. ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-moon-god-nonsense-come-from/720111/48 "2015-05-16T09:58:14Z")
> [@Dave\_Enn](#): > > **Flyer** , I’m a little confused. How can you tell the difference between a false god and a non false god? Ask them a trick question. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-moon-god-nonsense-come-from/720111/49 "2015-05-16T10:26:02Z")
I thought it was accepted that the names Allah, Ilu, etc. were all cognates that trace back to very early civilizatiuons. It’s Yahweh who’s the odd man out. Any scholars available to confirm/refute that Deuteronomy chaqpter 2 makes a clear distinction between _El ‘Aliyon_ and _Yahweh_, with the latter one of several subordinate to the former? ---
**Author:** ![SailorHG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@SailorHG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SailorHG)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-moon-god-nonsense-come-from/720111/50 "2015-05-16T11:39:54Z")
All you pagans seem to be unaware of the **real** moon diety, Princess Serenity: > **[Sailor Moon (character)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailor_Moon_(character))** > > Usagi Tsukino (月野 うさぎ, Tsukino Usagi), better known as Sailor Moon (セーラームーン, Sērā Mūn), is a Japanese superheroine and the main protagonist and title character of the Sailor Moon manga series written by Naoko Takeuchi and its subsequent media adaptations. She is introduced in chapter #1, "Usagi – Sailor Moon" (originally published in Japan's Nakayoshi magazine on December 28, 1991), as a carefree Japanese schoolgirl who can transform into the magical "Guardian of Love and Justice", Sailor Moon.... If anything, I would bet she is Buddhist (or maybe Shinto) rather than Muslim. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-moon-god-nonsense-come-from/720111/51 "2015-05-16T12:22:50Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > On the issue of Muslims, it is self-evident that their god is not God. If it were, they would be Christians, not Muslims. Ooh ooh, I have a question – how about the Jews? Is their god the ‘real’ god? How about the Amish? Theology according to **Flyer** is so much fun! ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-moon-god-nonsense-come-from/720111/52 "2015-05-16T12:54:19Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > The “idiots” merely take note of the fact that Catholics pray to Mary, a practice that BY DEFINITION means that they are worshiping her. Catholics can claim otherwise until they’re blue in the face–it does them no good. Actions speak louder than words. You’re misunderstanding the situation. Catholics pray to humans like Mary or another saint but only as an intermediary. Catholics do not believe that these people have any divine power themselves. But they believe these people have a closer access to God because of their devotion in their lifetime. So the hope is that the saint will pass the prayer on to God and God will grant it as a favor to the saint. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-moon-god-nonsense-come-from/720111/53 "2015-05-16T13:01:11Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > When you have fundamentally different ideas of what the being you call God has done and his character, it’s really hard to see them as the same entity. A common loophole is to think that they are the same God, but that the people who believe differently than you just misunderstand. That’s the common Christian belief about Jews. That you worship God as revealed in the Tanakh, while we have more revelation. Same thing with Islam–Muslims have more revelation than we do. But not everyone buys the loopholes. > > But the idea that the Abrahamic religions worship a different God makes sense, because their ideas of who God is are just different. > [@Flyer](#): > > On the issue of Muslims, it is self-evident that their god is not God. If it were, they would be Christians, not Muslims. You may not like this but it is the case. Jews, Christians, and Muslims are all worshiping the same God. Their disputes are over the exact nature of this God and what are the requirements of worship. Saying that Catholics and Protestants worship a different God is wrong. They worship the same God but they worship him differently. ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-moon-god-nonsense-come-from/720111/54 "2015-05-16T13:07:45Z")
I suggest we all have a war to decide who’s right. ---
**Author:** ![rsat3acr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@rsat3acr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rsat3acr)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-moon-god-nonsense-come-from/720111/55 "2015-05-16T13:47:43Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > The “idiots” merely take note of the fact that Catholics pray to Mary, a practice that BY DEFINITION means that they are worshiping her. Catholics can claim otherwise until they’re blue in the face–it does them no good. Actions speak louder than words. > > On the issue of Muslims, it is self-evident that their god is not God. If it were, they would be Christians, not Muslims. Wouldn’t that then also make Christians Jews? ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-moon-god-nonsense-come-from/720111/56 "2015-05-16T13:50:16Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > The other “fact” is that the word Allah means God. slightly incorrect. It is ilah. The form Allah is only for the God, it is contracting al-ilah in singular (The God) . The shahada is in this part: la ilah ilaa allah. No god but God. > [@](#): > > So a Muslim will call God Allah but will also use the word Allah when speaking of other gods. A Muslim would say, for example, that the ancient Greeks worshiped an allah No it would be “ilah” > [@BigT](#): > > Or you could be Muslim, since Jesus is a prophet and son of Allah. No the son of God is a christian idea. Islam holds Jesus to be a prophet, but rejects the son of god concept as association and thus it is hidden polythiesm idea. ---
**Author:** ![Shin\_Ji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Shin\_Ji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shin_Ji)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-moon-god-nonsense-come-from/720111/57 "2015-05-16T14:24:07Z")
Everyone here is aware that Christians who worship in Arabic have been calling their God “Allah” since always, yes? I would think that alone is a solid disproof. Al-lah = the God. It’s as simple as that, linguistically. Now, you want to argue that a Muslim’s conception of god differs from that of a Presbyterian, well sure! But that’s not exactly news. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-moon-god-nonsense-come-from/720111/58 "2015-05-16T14:45:52Z")
> [@Shin\_Ji](#): > > Everyone here is aware that Christians who worship in Arabic have been calling their God “Allah” since always, yes? . both Arabic speaking Christians and Jews and from before Islam. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-moon-god-nonsense-come-from/720111/59 "2015-05-16T16:12:30Z")
> [@74westy](#): > > The first I heard of it was from [Jack Chick](https://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0042/0042_01.asp) but I don’t think it was his idea originally. Golly. The Virgin Mary in that Chick tract sure looks like Kate Middleton! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2015, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-moon-god-nonsense-come-from/720111/60 "2015-05-16T17:38:28Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > The “idiots” merely take note of the fact that Catholics pray to Mary, a practice that BY DEFINITION means that they are worshiping her. Catholics can claim otherwise until they’re blue in the face–it does them no good. Actions speak louder than words. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > You’re misunderstanding the situation. Catholics pray to humans like Mary or another saint but only as an intermediary. Catholics do not believe that these people have any divine power themselves. But they believe these people have a closer access to God because of their devotion in their lifetime. So the hope is that the saint will pass the prayer on to God and God will grant it as a favor to the saint. Yer face blue yet, Smurfy? 😃 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-moon-god-nonsense-come-from/720111.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-did-this-moon-god-nonsense-come-from/720111.md?page=4)