# Where do the Simpson's Live?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-do-the-simpsons-live/247342>\
**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [May 27, 2004, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-do-the-simpsons-live/247342 "2004-05-27T14:44:40Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Dr.Rieux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Dr.Rieux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Rieux)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2004, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-do-the-simpsons-live/247342/21 "2004-05-27T19:41:50Z")

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743 Evergreen Terrace.

More than that, we don’t need to know.

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**Author:** ![BrotherCadfael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BrotherCadfael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrotherCadfael)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2004, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-do-the-simpsons-live/247342/22 "2004-05-27T19:53:21Z")

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My favorite Simpson’s “location gag” was when Skinner was bragging about the progress the school has made: “This used to be the worst school in all of Kentucky (or whatever)… So they picked it up and moved it HERE!”

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**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2004, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-do-the-simpsons-live/247342/23 "2004-05-27T20:08:30Z")

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> [@dalovindj](#):
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> I gotta say, I like this theory . . .

> [@dalovindj](#):
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> But he must have known that I was not a great fool; he would have counted on it, so I can clearly not dismiss out-of-hand obvious references. Not remotely!

Then you can not simultaneously accept that the abbrieviation NT would locate Springfield in Australia, while denying that the zip code 49007 puts it smack in the middle of Kalamazoo, Michigan.

Next?

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**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2004, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-do-the-simpsons-live/247342/24 "2004-05-27T20:09:06Z")

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It was actually Chalmers’s line. The other thing that was funny about that bit is that Lisa hasps, giving you enough time to think ‘he said they’re in Missouri!’ before he adds “…so they packed it up and moved it here.”

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**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2004, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-do-the-simpsons-live/247342/25 "2004-05-27T20:41:06Z")

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[url=“[http://www.csupomona.edu/~jelerma/springfield/map/index.html](http://www.csupomona.edu/~jelerma/springfield/map/index.html)”]Map of Springfield[/ur]

Recently added to the Harvard Map Collection, the oldest map collection in America.

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**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2004, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-do-the-simpsons-live/247342/26 "2004-05-27T20:43:07Z")

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[Fixed link](http://www.csupomona.edu/~jelerma/springfield/map/index.html)

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**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2004, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-do-the-simpsons-live/247342/27 "2004-05-27T20:51:37Z")

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> [@Dr. Rieux](#):
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> 743 Evergreen Terrace.

“The swankiest street in the classiest part of Pressboard Estates”.

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**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2004, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-do-the-simpsons-live/247342/28 "2004-05-27T20:53:48Z")

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> [@](#):
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> Then you can not simultaneously accept that the abbreviation NT would locate Springfield in Australia, while denying that the zip code 49007 puts it smack in the middle of Kalamazoo, Michigan.

Please. You’ve been had. A little mis-direction and you are lost. **49007** is not a zip code. It is a thinly veiled reference. The first thing an intelligent man thinks when he sees that number is, naturally, that it is part of the ISBN unique machine-readable identification number, which marks any book unmistakably. To the trained eye the string is easily identifiable as being part of the greater string ‘ISBN 0 7315 49007’. Look familiar? To all but the most ignorant cads this should be readily recognized as the ID for the published paper entitled “Three Nations . . .”, which discussed the determinants of indigenous employment outcomes and importance of education and training in Australia. Written by Dr. Boyd Hunter of the Centre for Aboriginal Economic Policy Research at the Australian National University, as you well know, this paper deals with the cultural and economical ramifications of Australia having the often spoken about metaphorical 3 classes (rich, poor, indigenous).

Now, what do you suppose that a paper having to do with the social norms in a country establishing a class of people who are uneducated, get arrested often, and have environmental and lifestyle related health problems, could ever have to do with the Simpsons? Groenig has obviously used this in an attempt to warn us of the dangers of the path that we are on. A situation that results in a part of the population being Simpson-esque can only be in for trouble - as are the indigenous peoples of Australia (who do make the finest iocane powder it must be said). The numbers 47009 are obviously Matt’s (weak) attempt at intellectualism/prognostication.

Thanks for playing though . . .

DaLovin’ Dj

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**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2004, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-do-the-simpsons-live/247342/29 "2004-05-27T21:05:52Z")

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> [@GorillaMan](#):
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> That’s part of the whole joke - there’s a Springfield in **every** state.

According to the [US Postal Service](http://www.usps.com/zip4/citytown_zip.htm):

States that have a Springfield  
Arkansas  
Colorado  
Georgia  
Idaho  
Illinois  
Kentucky  
Louisiana  
Maine  
Massachusetts  
Michigan  
Minnesota  
Missouri  
Nebraska  
New Hampshire  
New Jersey  
Ohio  
North Carolina  
Oregon  
Pennsylvania  
South Carolina  
South Dakota  
Tennessee  
Texas  
Vermont  
Virginia  
West Virginia  
Wisconsin

States that have no Springfield  
Alabama\*  
Alaska  
Arizona\*  
California\*  
Connecticut  
Delaware  
Florida  
Hawaii  
Indiana\*  
Iowa\*  
Kansas  
Maryland  
Mississippi\*  
Montana  
Nevada  
New Mexico  
New York\*  
North Dakota  
Oklahoma  
Rhode Island  
Utah\*  
Washington  
Wyoming

_Designates states that have a Spring_ville\* but not Spring_field_.

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**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2004, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-do-the-simpsons-live/247342/30 "2004-05-27T22:13:24Z")

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> [@Dr. Rieux](#):
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> 743 Evergreen Terrace.
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> More than that, we don’t need to know.

Actually, that’s most likely the Bush/Ford house. The Simpsons live at 742. 😃

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**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2004, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-do-the-simpsons-live/247342/31 "2004-05-27T23:13:18Z")

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> [@Jeff Olsen](#):
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> According to the [US Postal Service](http://www.usps.com/zip4/citytown_zip.htm):
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> States that have a Springfield  
> …

They’re states that have a _city_ called Springfield. Multimap finds locations called Springfield in Arizona, Alabama and Alaska - I couldn’t be bothered continuing 😃 …admittedly the Arizonan one looks to be a field or something…

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**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2004, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-do-the-simpsons-live/247342/32 "2004-05-27T23:24:35Z")

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We also know the Simpsons live [648 miles from Mexico City.](http://www.snpp.com/episodes/9F20.html) I recall having at atlas at home and, after I heard this, discovering to my surprise that this meant Springfield HAD to be in the southern part of Texas. Of course, other parts of the show’s geography doesn’t fit with that - for example, the birthplace of the late Norman Vincent Peale is in Springfield, and he’s from Ohio.

[Much, much more about Springfield.](http://www.snpp.com/guides/city.profile.html)

Like it or not, **dj** , your question has been answered. They don’t live anywhere in the real United States. Unless you know of a state founded by circus freaks with the flag that says “Not just another state.”

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**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\
**Post date:** [May 27, 2004, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-do-the-simpsons-live/247342/33 "2004-05-27T23:31:30Z")

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Now, there’s plenty of Springfields to choose from…so maybe we should concentrate on the [four Shelbyvilles](http://www.multimap.com/map/places.cgi?addr2=&addr3=shelbyville&state=&pc=&client=public&advanced=&db=US&lang=&overviewmap=) in the US?

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**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\
**Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-do-the-simpsons-live/247342/34 "2004-05-28T00:41:45Z")

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Don’t forget it’s also within driving distance of Vegas.

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**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\
**Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-do-the-simpsons-live/247342/35 "2004-05-28T01:41:41Z")

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> [@](#):
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> Like it or not, dj, your question has been answered. They don’t live anywhere in the real United States.

Dude, I know it is a cartoon. I, no we, meaning me and the people in the thread who don’t feel the need to state the blatantly obvious repeatedly, are playing a G-A-M-E. Once again for the slow, I quote:

> [@](#):
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> First, you have to remember that nobody really believes Springfield is anywhere in particular. It’s just an ‘Anytown, USA’. Bearing this in mind, it’s still fun to see what sort of clues we’re given, to find out [if] it existed, where it would be.  
> ~ \*\*Raymond Chen \*\*

The fact that there is contradictory evidence does not mean that one cannot come up with fun and humorous reasons why certain facts should be dismissed as propaganda and others as real clues. The fact that there is no ‘real’ answer doesn’t matter. It’s the journey that is important baby. Catch up. Stop pissing on the game or just play it. . .

DaLovin’ Dj

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**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\
**Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-do-the-simpsons-live/247342/36 "2004-05-28T01:50:15Z")

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I’ve been playing along, Dude, if you read every sentence I’ve posted here except for that one.

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**Author:** ![jesuscrust](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a9adbd/32.png) [@jesuscrust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jesuscrust)\
**Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-do-the-simpsons-live/247342/37 "2004-05-28T02:23:39Z")

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there are many springfields around the US. scroll down at the following link.

> **[Definition of Springfield | Dictionary.com](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/springfield)**
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> Definition of Springfield from Dictionary.com, the world’s leading online source for English definitions, pronunciations, word origins, idioms, Word of the Day, and more.

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**Author:** ![Burrido](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@Burrido](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Burrido)\
**Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-do-the-simpsons-live/247342/38 "2004-05-28T02:37:53Z")

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Ohio

When calling for replacement parts for Lisa’s toy puzzle-thingie, Marge was heard saying:

“Thats 742 Evergreen Terrace. Springfield, O-HIYA Maud!!”  
As Muad Flanders walks by.

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**Author:** ![Saint\_Sparky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ac91a4/32.png) [@Saint\_Sparky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Sparky)\
**Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-do-the-simpsons-live/247342/39 "2004-05-28T06:51:11Z")

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> [@Smeghead](#):
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> Don’t forget it’s also within driving distance of Vegas.

I am in driving distance of Vegas. Am I in Springfield? 😉

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**Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-do-the-simpsons-live/247342/40 "2004-05-28T07:35:28Z")

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Obviously Springfield is on the West Coast, since in the episode with the Guatamalan Insanity Peppers Marge says that Homer would walk west since the ground slopes down that way. Homer ends up at the lighthouse, so the city must be on the western seaboard. Unless Springfield is on a peninsula, and with only one bridge out of town it might even be on an island.

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