# Where does the Scottish Everendum stand? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 1, 2014, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026 "2014-12-01T12:53:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/861 "2015-01-08T08:52:33Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > I grew up in a town of 20,000 people in Warwickshire, a county that has absolutely no cities. But which is surrounded by a network of motorways. Read what I wrote. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/862 "2015-01-08T09:11:17Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > A cite for discount rates on the Scottish pound > > “10.If you exchange Scottish notes abroad, you will probably get a poorer exchange rate than for Bank of England notes.” > > [Did You Know? - How to Cope With Scottish Money](http://www.rampantscotland.com/know/blknow_money.htm) > > And another > > "Exchange rate for Scottish pound less than English in Krakow > > 29 July 2011, 17:57 > > Hi folks, > > I have taken some British money with me as an emergency back up in case my Polish zloty was getting low. Looking at the exchange rates for GBP at the Kantors in ul. Florianska, they are hovering around 4.5 to 4.6 zl to the pound, GREAT, better than back home. > > Not so great. Why? Two places only offered 3zl to the pound because the notes were from a Scottish bank. Another refused to deal with them. When I asked why, the person pointed to the Union Jack and said calmly, “We only deal with this money.” GRRRRR! > > Perhaps they should change the Union Jack emblem in the display to the flag of St. George?" > > I am quite happy to accept a fulsome apology from Jakeohara for their abusive comment. Supply and demand - less commonly-used currencies are harder to move. I bet I’d get a similar response if I tried to change Israeli shekels. It’s one of the downsides of being a small country, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/863 "2015-01-08T09:24:51Z")
Does Haifa have a different currency than the rest of Israel? Its a situation like that. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/864 "2015-01-08T09:36:07Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > But which is surrounded by a network of motorways. Read what I wrote. Mate, practically nowhere except for Northern Scotland, the South West and Wales are far from a Motorway. The country really isn’t very big. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/865 "2015-01-08T09:41:24Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Does Haifa have a different currency than the rest of Israel? Its a situation like that. I imagine there are very few places that have a similar situation. I can’t think of anywhere that has region specific bank notes with multiple different issuing banks. Even the Euro only has region specific coins. ---
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/866 "2015-01-08T09:41:50Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Supply and demand - less commonly-used currencies are harder to move. I bet I’d get a similar response if I tried to change Israeli shekels. It’s one of the downsides of being a small country, I suppose. It’s not a different currency, it’s the same currency with different notes printed under license by various private Scottish banks. Each pound printed in notes must also be accompanied by an equal number of pounds being deposited by the licensed bank with the Bank of England. Incidentally, I’ve been moving backwards and forwards between Scotland and England regularly for 12 years now and I’ve never once had a Scottish note rejected by a shop in England. The amount of butthurt and salty comments this topic generates by Scottish Nationalists is in my experience disproportionately greater than the number of times Scottish notes are actually rejected. > [@Pjen](#): > > But which is surrounded by a network of motorways. Read what I wrote. Where in England is not surrounded by a network of motorways or other major routes? ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/867 "2015-01-08T09:46:29Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Mate, practically nowhere except for Northern Scotland, the South West and Wales are far from a Motorway. The country really isn’t very big. I am talking about the commercial reach from motorway access points. It all depends on how often Scottish notes are seen. If you pull off the motorway there is a good chance that businesses on the M6, M5, M1, A1(M) and others with Scottish traffic are likely to recognise and accept Scottish notes. More than a few miles off the network and there is less experience and acceptance. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/868 "2015-01-08T09:47:42Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Supply and demand - less commonly-used currencies are harder to move. I bet I’d get a similar response if I tried to change Israeli shekels. It’s one of the downsides of being a small country, I suppose. And so exactly what I am saying. Thank you for your support. ---
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/869 "2015-01-08T09:48:38Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > I am talking about the commercial reach from motorway access points. It all depends on how often Scottish notes are seen. If you pull off the motorway there is a good chance that businesses on the M6, M5, M1, A1(M) and others with Scottish traffic are likely to recognise and accept Scottish notes. More than a few miles off the network and there is less experience and acceptance. Such as where? Where is a place in England where you could routinely expect Scottish notes to be rejected? ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/870 "2015-01-08T09:49:08Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > But which is surrounded by a network of motorways. Read what I wrote. Oh and as far as South Warwickshire (where I am from) goes, that “network” consists of exactly one motorway. Not that I am sure what motorways have to do with the ability to change banknotes. Is there a “High Class Bureau de Change” on the road throughout the Midlands? ---
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/871 "2015-01-08T09:49:46Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > And so exactly what I am saying. Thank you for your support. In that case what you are saying is incorrect. Scottish pound notes are denominated in the same currency as every other British pound note is, Sterling. They are different designs for the same currency, not a different currency. Seeing as this topic was done to death during the referendum it’s a wonder it still seems to confuse you. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/872 "2015-01-08T09:56:58Z")
> [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](#): > > It’s not a different currency, it’s the same currency with different notes printed under license by various private Scottish banks. Each pound printed in notes must also be accompanied by an equal number of pounds being deposited by the licensed bank with the Bank of England. > > Incidentally, I’ve been moving backwards and forwards between Scotland and England regularly for 12 years now and I’ve never once had a Scottish note rejected by a shop in England. The amount of butthurt and salty comments this topic generates by Scottish Nationalists is in my experience disproportionately greater than the number of times Scottish notes are actually rejected. > > ? Cites for refusal of Scottish banknotes > **[Boris Johnson intervenes over Scottish bank notes on London buses](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-19177411)** > > London Mayor Boris Johnson instructs the city's buses to accept Scottish bank notes after complaints that drivers are refusing to take them. [http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/scottish-bank-notes-refused-on-london-underground-1-3404948](http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/scottish-bank-notes-refused-on-london-underground-1-3404948) [http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowTopic-g186216-i15-k4121171-A\_tip\_for\_using\_Scottish\_Pounds\_in\_England-United\_Kingdom.html](http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowTopic-g186216-i15-k4121171-A_tip_for_using_Scottish_Pounds_in_England-United_Kingdom.html) > **[School not accepting scottish money](https://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/other-chat-514/general-chat-18/917691-school-not-accepting-scottish-money.html)** > > My dd went into school today and tried to order some P.E kit. She gave them a £10 note and a scottish £20 note but they [http://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/2cpssa/have\_you\_tried\_paying\_a\_london\_taxi\_driver\_with\_a/](http://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/2cpssa/have_you_tried_paying_a_london_taxi_driver_with_a/) In the first five Google pages on acceptance of Scottish notes. ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/873 "2015-01-08T09:57:08Z")
Hell, the different types of notes thing is even worse in Northern Ireland. What is it, three different banks have the right to print their notes over there or something? ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/874 "2015-01-08T10:00:58Z")
> [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](#): > > In that case what you are saying is incorrect. Scottish pound notes are denominated in the same currency as every other British pound note is, Sterling. They are different designs for the same currency, not a different currency. > > Seeing as this topic was done to death during the referendum it’s a wonder it still seems to confuse you. Straw man. I accept they are the same currency. I am just saying that people (legally and justifiably) either refuse to accept Scottish notes or apply an exchange rate surcharge. Scottish money is legal currency but not legal tender even in Scotland. ---
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/875 "2015-01-08T10:02:47Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > Cites for refusal of Scottish banknotes > > [Boris Johnson intervenes over Scottish bank notes on London buses - BBC News](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-19177411) > > [http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/scottish-bank-notes-refused-on-london-underground-1-3404948](http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/scottish-bank-notes-refused-on-london-underground-1-3404948) > > [A tip for using Scottish Pounds in England... - United Kingdom Message Board - Tripadvisor](http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowTopic-g186216-i15-k4121171-A_tip_for_using_Scottish_Pounds_in_England-United_Kingdom.html) > > [http://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/general-coffeehouse-chat-514/coffee-lounge-18/917691-school-not-accepting-scottish-money-all.html](http://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/general-coffeehouse-chat-514/coffee-lounge-18/917691-school-not-accepting-scottish-money-all.html) > > [Reddit - Dive into anything](http://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/2cpssa/have_you_tried_paying_a_london_taxi_driver_with_a/) > In the first five Google pages on acceptance of Scottish notes. Top post in your linked Reddit thread: > [@](#): > > Yea I’m in London just now - I took cash out before I came down not thinking but no where has refused it - but I do get the funny looks. Your own cites undermine your point. Incidentally, you need to learn the difference between cites and anecdotes. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/876 "2015-01-08T10:04:20Z")
> [@Malden\_Capell](#): > > Hell, the different types of notes thing is even worse in Northern Ireland. What is it, three different banks have the right to print their notes over there or something? Currently the North of Ireland has five issuers and Scotland has three. All different designs and colour series. ---
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/877 "2015-01-08T10:04:23Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > Straw man. I accept they are the same currency. I am just saying that people (legally and justifiably) either refuse to accept Scottish notes or apply an exchange rate surcharge. > > Scottish money is legal currency but not legal tender even in Scotland. In what way was that a strawman. Alessan seemed to be under the impression that Scotland had a separate currency: > [@](#): > > Supply and demand - less commonly-used currencies are harder to move. You said you agreed with him exactly. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/878 "2015-01-08T10:07:34Z")
> [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](#): > > Top post in your linked Reddit thread: > > Your own cites undermine your point. Incidentally, you need to learn the difference between cites and anecdotes. The fact that certain outlets in London refuse Scottish notes does not take away from a general truth that your average shop in London is more likely to recognise and accept a Scottish note than one in Bodmin or Ipswich. ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/879 "2015-01-08T10:09:25Z")
Sorry, I’m lost. What’s the actual issue here? That certain parts of England refuse Scottish notes? ---
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/880 "2015-01-08T10:09:56Z")
That doesn’t even make any sense in reply to my post. You presented cites pertaining to show anecdotes of Scottish notes being rejected. The very first link I clicked on had an anecdote from a Scot (even a self-identified “yes” voter, according to his subreddit flair) saying he didn’t have a problem getting rid of Scottish notes. Are you reading the same thread as the rest of us Pjen? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026.md?page=45)