# Where does the Scottish Everendum stand? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 1, 2014, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026 "2014-12-01T12:53:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/961 "2015-01-08T17:57:07Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > I withdraw. At least your money is sensible. Though having your minor coins identical size to a country with a different dollar value is a little silly. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/962 "2015-01-08T18:01:39Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Er, what? You see no contradiction in referring to BoE notes as English, but Royal Mint coins as British, and nothing you’ve posted changes that. The BoE notes are no more (or less) English than the Mint’s coins are Welsh. Coins are Scottish Legal tender BoE Notes are not legal tender in Scotland but are in England. BofE notes say Bank of England, not Bank of UK. Most sane people refer to bank of England notes as English bank notes. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/963 "2015-01-08T18:03:15Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > Though having your minor coins identical size to a country with a different dollar value is a little silly. Makes it a lot of easier for vending machine manufacturers and such. In practice American pennies dimes and quarters get mixed up with Canadian and nobody cares. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/964 "2015-01-08T18:06:05Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > Coins are Scottish Legal tender > > BoE Notes are not legal tender in Scotland but are in England. > > BofE notes say Bank of England, not Bank of UK. > > Most sane people refer to bank of England notes as English bank notes. Why do you keep ignoring Wales? Don’t you get that by doing so you’re committing the same sin you accuse others of? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/965 "2015-01-08T18:07:49Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Makes it a lot of easier for vending machine manufacturers and such. In practice American pennies dimes and quarters get mixed up with Canadian and nobody cares. Same as when Ireland used to use their own pound, really. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/966 "2015-01-08T18:13:59Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Why do you keep ignoring Wales? Don’t you get that by doing so you’re committing the same sin you accuse others of? Wales has no specific currency and until devolution had few administrative agencies. It still has no legal system of its own Being governed by English and Welsh unified system as has been the case for centuries. I do not mention Wales for the same reason that you do- because it is a diversion from your erroneous arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/967 "2015-01-08T18:21:46Z")
I must go and cook now but I intend to take up Steophan’s other erroneous arguments one by one. Let us start by the final court of appeal in Scottish CRIMINAL cases. Steophan erroneously holds that there is a criminal appeal process from the Scottish courts to the Supreme Court. Just giving everyone (including Steophan) to research the subject before I return. I maintain that the Supreme Court is the final court of appeal for Scottish Civil and Administrative Law, but that the Supreme Court has no jurisdiction over Criminal trials- and that one cannot appeal to the Supreme Court on a matter of finding or sentence from the Court system in Scotland. The Supreme Court only trumps Scottish Law over Administrative and Civil matters. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/968 "2015-01-08T18:52:15Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > I must go and cook now but I intend to take up Steophan’s other erroneous arguments one by one. > > Let us start by the final court of appeal in Scottish CRIMINAL cases. Steophan erroneously holds that there is a criminal appeal process from the Scottish courts to the Supreme Court. Just giving everyone (including Steophan) to research the subject before I return. > > I maintain that the Supreme Court is the final court of appeal for Scottish Civil and Administrative Law, but that the Supreme Court has no jurisdiction over Criminal trials- and that one cannot appeal to the Supreme Court on a matter of finding or sentence from the Court system in Scotland. The Supreme Court only trumps Scottish Law over Administrative and Civil matters. I have laid out my argument. Just waiting for Steophan to say whether he agrees with it or wishes to admit that be was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/969 "2015-01-08T19:00:51Z")
I guess you used the microwave. Lol ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/970 "2015-01-08T19:03:40Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > I have laid out my argument. Just waiting for Steophan to say whether he agrees with it or wishes to admit that be was wrong. We’ve been forbidden from discussing this in this thread. If you wish to start another one I’ll respond there. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/971 "2015-01-08T19:13:11Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I guess you used the microwave. Lol No. I have had stewing lamb in the slow cooker. Just needed a little attention. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/972 "2015-01-08T19:14:21Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > We’ve been forbidden from discussing this in this thread. If you wish to start another one I’ll respond there. I must have missed that. Were we forbidden to discuss Scottish money as well? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/973 "2015-01-08T19:17:13Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Pjen and Steophan, your sidebar feud as to who does or does not know enough about Britain _vs_ Scotland really has nothing to do with the actual point of this thread. > > Both of you knock it off. > > [/Moderating] > [@Pjen](#): > > I must have missed that. Were we forbidden to discuss Scottish money as well? So, no further answers from me about that list you provided in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/974 "2015-01-08T19:20:21Z")
New thread started. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2015, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/975 "2015-01-09T02:45:27Z")
> [@Pjen](#): > > New thread started. To which there was no fucking point. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2015, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/976 "2015-01-09T02:57:26Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > To which there was no fucking point. FYI, she’s been suspended. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2015, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/977 "2015-01-09T13:20:23Z")
Typical of British cultural appropriation in the realm of smoked fish, the Guardian ran an article [on the revival of kippers](http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/apr/07/food-kippers-smoked-fish-sales-revival) (a traditional Scottish dish), describing it only as a “quintessential British breakfast food” and not mentioning Scotland at all! Insults like this will undoubtedly swing undecided Scottish voters in favor of independence at the very next Neverendum. Hey, someone has to pick up the slack here. ---
**Author:** ![Arch\_Trout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9f8e36/32.png) [@Arch\_Trout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arch_Trout)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2015, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/978 "2015-01-09T15:14:35Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Typical of British cultural appropriation in the realm of smoked fish, the Guardian ran an article [on the revival of kippers](http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/apr/07/food-kippers-smoked-fish-sales-revival) (a traditional Scottish dish), describing it only as a “quintessential British breakfast food” and not mentioning Scotland at all! > > Insults like this will undoubtedly swing undecided Scottish voters in favor of independence at the very next Neverendum. > > Hey, someone has to pick up the slack here. I know I said I’d bow out of this thread but…eh? I, as a Scot, think of breakfast kippers as a British thing not Scottish (or English) and would be surprised to hear anyone state otherwise. I know exactly what you are getting at though with your ‘point’. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2015, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/979 "2015-01-09T15:15:21Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Typical of British cultural appropriation in the realm of smoked fish, the Guardian ran an article [on the revival of kippers](http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/apr/07/food-kippers-smoked-fish-sales-revival) (a traditional Scottish dish), describing it only as a “quintessential British breakfast food” and not mentioning Scotland at all! > > Insults like this will undoubtedly swing undecided Scottish voters in favor of independence at the very next Neverendum. > > Hey, someone has to pick up the slack here. Reminds me of when Andy Murray had his first Wimbledon final in 2012. The meme of the time was that when he won he was British but when he lost he was Scottish. I happened to be in Scotland for a cousin’s wedding at the time and heard the same thing said again in the days before the final. Except the BBC on the day of the final showed a montage of famous Scottish sporting wins and achievements (I’m pretty sure Archie Gemmil was in there and there was definitely some rugby). So when he did lose the final and I heard everyone moan about the meme I just reminded them of the montage. Because, basically, the meme is based on a lie. But as they say, repeat a lie often enough and people start believing it. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2015, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026/980 "2015-01-09T15:17:11Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > FYI, she’s been suspended. Thanks for the info. I probably shouldn’t say anything beyond that 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026.md?page=48) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-does-the-scottish-everendum-stand/706026.md?page=50)