# Where is the excitement for Hillary? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 26, 2015, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-excitement-for-hillary/720925 "2015-05-26T23:52:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-excitement-for-hillary/720925/61 "2015-06-01T13:30:15Z")
Eh, it’s not so bad. You double click to fullscreen an article. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-excitement-for-hillary/720925/62 "2015-06-01T13:45:13Z")
On list of the top 100 things a president should be focused on, mental health and drug addiction are numbers 87 and 93 respectively. They are emphatically **not** the centerpieces of your campaign. Do you really think she should be focused on these issues? Over the economy? And foreign policy? _Really_? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-excitement-for-hillary/720925/63 "2015-06-01T13:48:12Z")
She’s going to make them “a large part” of her campaign and “a priority.” That is not the same as a centerpiece. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-excitement-for-hillary/720925/64 "2015-06-01T13:49:41Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > On list of the top 100 things a president should be focused on, mental health and drug addiction are numbers 87 and 93 respectively. They are emphatically **not** the centerpieces of your campaign. > > Do you really think she should be focused on these issues? Over the economy? And foreign policy? _Really_? Where are you getting that these issues will be prioritized over the economy and foreign policy, or that they’ll be the “centerpieces” of her campaign? They’re “key issues”, yes, but highly unlikely to be the only ones. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-excitement-for-hillary/720925/65 "2015-06-01T13:58:15Z")
This is making me think her advisers are idiots, whose main thought is, “How can we play this safe? What can we say that won’t offend anyone? I know! We’ll talk about mental health and drug addiction!” Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is out on the trail offering concrete proposals to address inequality and improve the lives of average Americans. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-excitement-for-hillary/720925/66 "2015-06-01T14:06:57Z")
It’s clearly not making you think at all. > [@](#): > > [After hours on the road in her “Scooby” van, Hillary Clinton made her official campaign stop in Monticello, Iowa on Tuesday. The Democrat held a low-key roundtable with students and educators at Kirkwood community college, where she laid out four specific priorities of her campaign, including campaign finance reform. > > Specifically, Clinton said she wants to focus on building an “economy of tomorrow,” strengthening families and communities, campaign finance reform and national security.]([In Iowa, Hillary Clinton lays "four big fights" she wants to take on - CBS News](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-iowa-hillary-clinton-lays-four-big-fights-she-wants-to-take-on/)) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-excitement-for-hillary/720925/67 "2015-06-01T14:08:34Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > This is making me think her advisers are idiots, whose main thought is, “How can we play this safe? What can we say that won’t offend anyone? I know! We’ll talk about mental health and drug addiction!” > > Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is out on the trail offering concrete proposals to address inequality and improve the lives of average Americans. But dealing with mental health and drug addiction issues \*\*will \*\*improve the lives of average Americans. I don’t understand why you’ve got such a hard-on for this. It’s an announcement of one campaign policy position, not her entire platform. You’re really making much more of this than it deserves. ETA: “Economy of tomorrow”? Will it include subsidies for the personal jetpack industry? ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-excitement-for-hillary/720925/68 "2015-06-01T14:42:52Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > It’s clearly not making you think at all. Pablum. The closest thing to a concrete proposal there is “campaign finance reform,” which she can safely propose because she knows quite well it requires a constitutional amendment that the Senate won’t pass. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-excitement-for-hillary/720925/69 "2015-06-01T14:44:35Z")
Where did those goalposts go? > [@Gyrate](#): > > ETA: “Economy of tomorrow”? Will it include subsidies for the personal jetpack industry? Economy of Tomorrow was my least favorite attraction at Epcot. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-excitement-for-hillary/720925/70 "2015-06-01T14:56:06Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > But dealing with mental health and drug addiction issues \*\*will \*\*improve the lives of average Americans. The average American is not a meth head. Besides, she doesn’t actually say what she would do about it, at least not in any concrete way. And that is of course because a president really can’t do anything about drug addiction. This is the campaign equivalent of “Drugs are bad, m’kay?” > [@](#): > > I don’t understand why you’ve got such a hard-on for this. Because she is talking about making this a “key part” of her campaign. This when the people are obviously hungry for a candidate who will address in a concrete way the much larger issues of growing economic inequality and the loss of quality jobs. It reeks of a candidate who is more worried about not making mistakes than about doing anything bold. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-excitement-for-hillary/720925/71 "2015-06-01T14:59:57Z")
The last president who made a bold move was Bush II, and the move was invading Iraq. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-excitement-for-hillary/720925/72 "2015-06-01T15:07:11Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > The average American is not a meth head. Whoosh! There go those goalposts again! Why narrow it down to meth? What happened to the mental health point? [In 2012, an estimated 23.9 million Americans aged 12 or older—or 9.2 percent of the population—had used an illicit drug or abused a psychotherapeutic medication (such as a pain reliever, stimulant, or tranquilizer) in the past month. This is up from 8.3 percent in 2002.](http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/nationwide-trends) Admittedly that includes an increase in pot use but it’s not just a few meth heads. And about a quarter of the population across the board have or will have mental health issues. That’s not an insignificant problem, and politicians of all stripes have been talking about the need for improved mental health care for decades. Just because it’s not _your_ priority doesn’t mean it’s not an important issue for many Americans. > [@](#): > > Because she is talking about making this a “key part” of her campaign. This when the people are obviously hungry for a candidate who will address in a concrete way the much larger issues of growing economic inequality and the loss of quality jobs. > > It reeks of a candidate who is more worried about not making mistakes than about doing anything bold. No, it reeks of you grasping at straws to spin a fairly banal early-campaign announcement into a major gaffe. Sad, really. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-excitement-for-hillary/720925/73 "2015-06-01T15:41:54Z")
> [@](#): > > No, it reeks of you grasping at straws to spin a fairly banal early-campaign announcement into a major gaffe. Sad, really. Huh? I am not trying to “turn it into” anything. I would love for Hillary to be a strong candidate I can back whole-heartedly. But this does not bode well. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-excitement-for-hillary/720925/74 "2015-06-01T16:04:54Z")
It doesn’t bode anything. It’s one talking point. It’s like getting bent out of shape because a candidate visited Mississippi. “Why isn’t she focusing on the states that matter? Mississippi is not going to decide this election!” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-excitement-for-hillary/720925/75 "2015-06-01T16:19:56Z")
Is Hillary still a Clintonista? Does she still want to govern according to “centrist”, Republican Lite principles? Is she pretending to listen to the likes of Lizzie Warren, or has she evolved into something resembling a progressive? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-excitement-for-hillary/720925/76 "2015-06-01T16:22:37Z")
She will just want to classify the chemtrailists, antivaxxers, agendatwentyoners and suchlike as mentally ill, so that she will be able to round up everyone who discovers her secret plan and put them in the funny farm with _aluminum_ foil hats to amplify the mind control rays. Evil, evil, evil, that woman and her bi-lateral commission _must be stopped!_ ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-excitement-for-hillary/720925/77 "2015-06-01T16:23:41Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Is Hillary still a Clintonista? Does she still want to govern according to “centrist”, Republican Lite principles? Is she pretending to listen to the likes of Lizzie Warren, or has she evolved into something resembling a progressive? Who knows? She’s sure not saying. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-excitement-for-hillary/720925/78 "2015-06-01T17:02:17Z")
Looks like we may get another risk-averse, content-free campaign of “inevitability” from Hillary. Inevitability is not a policy position. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-excitement-for-hillary/720925/79 "2015-06-01T17:26:55Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > Looks like we may get another risk-averse, content-free campaign of “inevitability” from Hillary. > > Inevitability is not a policy position. Sure it is! As in, “Inevitably I will have a policy, when I absolutely positively have to have one.” ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2015, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-excitement-for-hillary/720925/80 "2015-06-01T21:25:04Z")
I re-read this thread title as “Where is the excrement for Hillary?”, and thought ‘I am sure it’s on it’s way’. That is all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-excitement-for-hillary/720925.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-excitement-for-hillary/720925.md?page=5)