# Where is the outrage?!! (Ben Carson - Muslims unfit to be POTUS) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 20, 2015, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007 "2015-09-20T20:27:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/181 "2015-09-23T00:06:32Z")
> [@](#): > > Apparently, Carson has no problem supporting a Muslim for POTUS if that Muslim candidate supports, among other items, the Bill Of Rights. Which many of the Republican candidates have already said they don’t support. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/182 "2015-09-23T00:09:11Z")
I have some highly educated, otherwise intelligent friends, very successful in business who spout the same nonsense. Who are global warming deniers, etc. I’m disappointed, but not shocked that Dr. Brain Surgeon is a whack-job when he gets out of his area of expertise. But even so, I’ve never been one to advocate someone with no political experience to be president. You don’t shoot to the top of any organization without some experience in said organization. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/183 "2015-09-23T00:11:36Z")
I’m still not convinced that Carson even knows the BIll of Rights. Or any of the other candidates aside from Cruz and Paul. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/184 "2015-09-23T00:13:49Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Isn’t a Muslim who chooses to follow the Lutheran faith called a “Lutheran?” > > I have lotsa Jewish friends (blame Brooklyn) and it drives me nuts when they refer to the goyim, particularly me, as “Christians.” No, no…YOU may be a Jew because your Mom is Jewish, but it doesn’t work that way for the rest of us. My parents could be evangelical Total-Immersion Baptist snake handlers, but unless I consider Jesus of Nazareth to be a supernatural entity sent by God Herself to redeem all humanity, I ain’t no Christian. > > I assumed it worked the same way for Islam. Al Franken quotes his father as saying, “I should’ve known the first Jew to run for President would be a Presbyterian” ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/185 "2015-09-23T00:15:29Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I have some highly educated, otherwise intelligent friends, very successful in business who spout the same nonsense. Who are global warming deniers, etc. I’m disappointed, but not shocked that Dr. Brain Surgeon is a whack-job when he gets out of his area of expertise. > > But even so, I’ve never been one to advocate someone with no political experience to be president. You don’t shoot to the top of any organization without some experience in said organization. Nitpick: “the government” is not a single organization. Unless you’re a federal executive branch official, you’re coming from outside the part of the government you want to be elected to. In the early days of our republic, it actually did work a little like an organization ladder. Adams was VP, Jefferson was Secretary of State and then VP and then President, Madison was SecState, Monroe was SecWar and Secstate, Quincy Adams was SecState. But since then we’ve almost exclusively nominated people with no federal executive branch experience. In that respect, Hillary Clinton actually can claim to be the most qualified person running. ---
**Author:** ![Hooleehootoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/eada6e/32.png) [@Hooleehootoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hooleehootoo)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/186 "2015-09-23T00:48:27Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Bullshit… > Sharia is not “the central tenet of Islam.” That is a stupid statement that declares ignorance in the extreme… > This is nothing but stupid hatred… > he is a bigot. … My understanding from reading some of your other posts is that you don’t think Islam per-se is to blame for the results of this [survey](http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/) but instead it is factors peculiar to Malaysia, and peculiar to Egypt and to Niger, Pakistan etc. What if Carson had said something like “You know, true Muslims don’t support executing people who convert away from Islam, but in case someone had such a belief it should disqualify him or her from being President”, would that mean he is a hateful bigot? How would should Carson answer the 86% of Egyptians who support the death penalty for apostasy and who claim they are true Muslims? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/187 "2015-09-23T00:51:50Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Can a person follow a faith that is inconsistent with the Constitution, AND support the Constitution at the same time? Why not? Christians do it all the time. And so do Catholics. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/188 "2015-09-23T00:53:49Z")
> [@Hooleehootoo](#): > > What if Carson had said something like “You know, true Muslims don’t support executing people who convert away from Islam, but in case someone had such a belief it should disqualify him or her from being President”, would that mean he is a hateful bigot? > > ? That’s why political correctness and anti-bigotry are not always the same thing. IMO, it’s pretty bigoted to tell a group what they should believe, which is basically what prominent figures do when they give “fatwas” about what Muslims actually believe. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/189 "2015-09-23T01:16:58Z")
Jesus, get a room. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/190 "2015-09-23T01:48:36Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Not simply a “Muslim candidate”, but a “Muslim candidate who choses radical, fanatical, or violent Islam”. Do you think you’re quoting someone, apart from yourself? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/191 "2015-09-23T01:52:19Z")
> [@Hooleehootoo](#): > > How would should Carson answer the 86% of Egyptians who support the death penalty for apostasy and who claim they are true Muslims? Are any Egyptians running for president of the U.S.? (They can’t, you know. You might want to attend the course on the Constitution that Carson obviously skipped in high school.) The problem with such polls is that they do not seem to reflect reality. Egyptians are not enforcing laws against apostasy, whatever they may tell a pollster. On the other hand, Muslims in the U.S., France, Germany, etc., (surrounded by a different culture), have no such attitudes toward apostasy. So Carson’s remarks in the context of U.S. elections are based on ignorant prejudices in which he tries to demonize all the U.S. citizens who happen to be Muslim. (Carson does not strike me as someone who is making claims deliberately to stir up the xenophobe base; he seems to really believe this stuff–demonstrating his utter ignorance and willingness to spout hatred without even trying to educate himself.) ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/192 "2015-09-23T01:57:39Z")
That’s only partly true: > **[BBC NEWS | UK | British Muslims poll: Key points](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6309983.stm)** > > Results and suggestions arising from a think-tank's survey of 1,000 Muslims from across the UK. 36% of 16 to 24-year-olds believe if a Muslim converts to another religion they should be punished by death, compared with 19% of over-55s 59% of Muslims would prefer to live under British law, compared with 28% who would prefer to live under Sharia law Not a majority, but a large enough minority that it would be hard to condemn people for wanting to know about the candidate’s personal views on those subjects. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/193 "2015-09-23T02:16:52Z")
You will note that while I referred to attitudes in the U.S., France, and Germany, you had to go to Great Britain, (with a larger population more recently arrived from Pakistan where Wahhabism has been promoted for a bit over twenty years). None of that makes any sense when some twit makes accusations about Muslims in the U.S. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/194 "2015-09-23T02:37:38Z")
We don’t know that unless we poll them. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/195 "2015-09-23T02:49:07Z")
Should be rather quick work to poll all three of them :). ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/196 "2015-09-23T04:57:13Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Why not? Christians do it all the time. And so do Catholics. Aren’t Catholics Christians? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/197 "2015-09-23T05:00:50Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Aren’t Catholics Christians? Not according to some. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/198 "2015-09-23T05:15:15Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Are you outraged that Carson doesn’t DID NOT say “Republican Candidate Carson Says Muslims Unfit to Be U.S. President”? Is that a trick question? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/199 "2015-09-23T06:05:06Z")
I don’t DO NOT say “Trinopus Says Ben Carson Unfit to Be U.S. President.” ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/200 "2015-09-23T07:31:24Z")
I won’t deny that I am not unoutraged by Carson’s statement. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007.md?page=11)