# Where is the outrage?!! (Ben Carson - Muslims unfit to be POTUS) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 20, 2015, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007 "2015-09-20T20:27:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/41 "2015-09-21T02:23:19Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Sorry Stringbean, but you are a Democrat. The crazy tail wags the GOP dog: the only thing that will make them see reason is electoral collapse, followed by the establishment of a bunch of new think tanks. Neurotypical conservatives have a hard road ahead: I don’t envy them. I know man, I’m likely to end up casting my vote for Hillary just because she’s competent. That, evidently, is the bar these days. Among current GOP candidates I would consider Marco Rubio a relative beacon of light among a dark carousel of clowns. ---
**Author:** ![canned\_mayhem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@canned\_mayhem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/canned_mayhem)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/42 "2015-09-21T02:25:58Z")
The butthurt in this topic over the opinion of some politician who doesn’t stand a chance getting elected president is hilarious. Muslims stoning women for alleged infidelity? “Meh” Muslim refugees flooding western countries and attacking their citizens? “Meh” Muslims flipping out and killing people over a cartoon? “Meh” Politician doesn’t think a Muslim should be in control of the U.S.? “FUCKING OUTRAGE!!!” LMAO ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/43 "2015-09-21T02:27:57Z")
> [@Construct](#): > > I’m sorry for ruining your secret clubhouse by having a contrary viewpoint. There’s nothing secret about this place, and you haven’t "ruined’ anything. You’re just an ignorant jerk, and the best place to engage you is in this forum where we can give you the comments you deserve. I have no doubt you’ll be banned soon enough. Sic semper jerkannis. ---
**Author:** ![canned\_mayhem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@canned\_mayhem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/canned_mayhem)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/44 "2015-09-21T02:31:44Z")
> [@Construct](#): > > I’m sorry for ruining your secret clubhouse by having a contrary viewpoint. The left always seems to love being in an echo chamber. Attempt to voice a differing viewpoint and the butthurt outrage flows like Niagara Fucking Falls. How tolerant… ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/45 "2015-09-21T02:32:23Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > [As I once explained on these Boards](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=665422), even though I’m Canadian, I was a vicarious Republican for most of my life. It was the party that seemed to best represent the essence of the USA (at least to this furriner). Then something happened. It became the party of intolerance, ignorance, and hypocrisy. > > So, I suppose I shouldn’t be too surprised that Ben Carson, a Republican, potentially the next Republican presidential candidate, says [Muslims aren’t fit to be POTUS](http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2015/09/20/us/politics/20reuters-usa-election-republicans.html)? But, _no one_ in his party calls him on it? Where is the outrage among the other contenders? Venal as they are, they could come across as tolerant by taking him to task (even if they believe the same in their heart). Yet they remain silent. > > I thought I had seen the full extent of Republican intolerance, ignorance, and hypocrisy in 2012 when I made the above-linked post. I was wrong. WTF have they become?! He’s one of the vanity candidates. He really doesn’t count. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/46 "2015-09-21T02:32:30Z")
> [@canned\_mayhem](#): > > The butthurt in this topic over the opinion of some politician who doesn’t stand a chance getting elected president is hilarious. > > \*\*Muslims stoning women for alleged infidelity? “Meh” > > Muslim refugees flooding western countries and attacking their citizens? “Meh” > > Muslims flipping out and killing people over a cartoon? “Meh”\*\* > > Politician doesn’t think a Muslim should be in control of the U.S.? “FUCKING OUTRAGE!!!” > > LMAO Always being wrong should not be a goal. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/47 "2015-09-21T02:33:46Z")
> [@canned\_mayhem](#): > > Politician doesn’t think a Muslim should be in control of the U.S.? “FUCKING OUTRAGE!!!” > > LMAO I think you’re missing the point. It’s not that “(a) politician doesn’t think a Muslim should be in control of the U.S.? “FUCKING OUTRAGE”!!!” Nope. It’s the lack of outrage by those who claim to be worthy of leading the USA and its people, including the brown and Muslim ones. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/48 "2015-09-21T03:23:14Z")
> [@Construct](#): > > I use this place as practice. And I don’t browse stormfront. Practice for what? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/49 "2015-09-21T03:26:35Z")
Have to say I’m very disappointed in Carson. The lack of outrage is probably just because we all know a Muslim won’t be President anytime soon. Carson’s sentiment is one that a lot of Americans would agree with. 40% by Gallup’s last poll: > **[Support for Nontraditional Candidates Varies by Religion](https://news.gallup.com/poll/183791/support-nontraditional-candidates-varies-religion.aspx)** > > Christians' reluctance to back a presidential candidate who is gay, an atheist, a socialist or Muslim may limit these candidates' chances nationally. Nonreligious Americans' coolness toward evangelicals dampens their chances. Carson should really know better too, being a Seventh Day Adventist. Adventists aren’t generally loved by evangelicals anymore than Mormons are. We’ll see a woman, a Jew, a Mormon, a Latino, an Asian, and an Arab Christian President before we see a Muslim President. However, I would like to ask a question of EU folks here, since they have larger Muslim populations than we do: When do you think we’ll see the first Muslim PM or President(where the position isn’t mostly ceremonial) in charge of a majority-Christian EU country like France, Britain, or Germany? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/50 "2015-09-21T03:30:13Z")
My elderly mother, who is a moderate Democrat (Hubert Humphrey supporter in the day), said she agrees with Carson on this point. When I asked her why, she said, “Because I just do, okay?” ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/51 "2015-09-21T03:32:22Z")
I’d also add that anti-Islam sentiment is pretty widespread in Britain: [http://www.newswits.com/2015/07/05/majority-of-britons-see-muslims-as-a-threat-poll-acfeijh.html](http://www.newswits.com/2015/07/05/majority-of-britons-see-muslims-as-a-threat-poll-acfeijh.html) Carson probably won’t be hurt too badly simply because Islamophobia is a pretty acceptable thing, so much so that I doubt even the major Democrats will be willing to condemn Carson’s statement too harshly. So far, only Keith Ellison, himself a Muslim, has condemned the comments. I suspect that Hillary Clinton is going to focus group this one first. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/52 "2015-09-21T03:54:51Z")
> [@Construct](#): > > I use this place as practice. That is about as open an admission of trolling as I have seen. This is a Warning to stop that behavior (Your earlier post was clearly trolling, but I will not give out two Warnings for the same back-to-back offense.) [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/53 "2015-09-21T04:18:02Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Republicans aren’t fit to be President, as long as we’re having that conversation. > [@canned\_mayhem](#): > > The butthurt in this topic over the opinion of some politician who doesn’t stand a chance getting elected president is hilarious. > > Muslims stoning women for alleged infidelity? “Meh” > > Muslim refugees flooding western countries and attacking their citizens? “Meh” > > Muslims flipping out and killing people over a cartoon? “Meh” > > Politician doesn’t think a Muslim should be in control of the U.S.? “FUCKING OUTRAGE!!!” > > LMAO > [@canned\_mayhem](#): > > The left always seems to love being in an echo chamber. Attempt to voice a differing viewpoint and the butthurt outrage flows like Niagara Fucking Falls. > > How tolerant… Critique conservatism as Islam is critiqued and you will be a welcome member of the self-righteous club. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/54 "2015-09-21T04:28:43Z")
As to the OP, I suspect that several things have kept it down, (so far). The media is still dealing with Trump’s refusal to refute the Birther bullshit (that he promoted) and they have a problem dealing with similar issues if they occur too close together. It happened on a Sunday when most news outlets are dealing with the actual statements emanating from the Sunday morning political shows more than the reactions to them. (Although, we now have the NYT, NBC, ABC, and AOL making a point of publicizing it, (CBS is stuck on the Emmys; maybe CNN does not watch other channels’ shows), so it could get bigger.) His comment was not sufficiently direct to make a good sound bite, (although it is beginning to get more play). ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/55 "2015-09-21T14:05:12Z")
This is a prime opportunity for a sane, responsible Republican candidate to use as his own Sister Souljah Moment. But none are. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/56 "2015-09-21T14:11:18Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Have to say I’m very disappointed in Carson. The lack of outrage is probably just because we all know a Muslim won’t be President anytime soon. Carson’s sentiment is one that a lot of Americans would agree with. 40% by Gallup’s last poll: > > [Support for Nontraditional Candidates Varies by Religion](http://www.gallup.com/poll/183791/support-nontraditional-candidates-varies-religion.aspx) > > Carson should really know better too, being a Seventh Day Adventist. I did not know that about him. Come to think of it, it might be amusing, some Thanksgiving, to see him pardoning a tofurkey… ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/57 "2015-09-21T14:37:52Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > Is nobody going to mention the obvious interpretation of his statement? > > Assuming Obama = Muslim > Muslim = Unfit to be President > Therefore Obama = Unfit to be President > > It is a clunky, veiled slam on Obama. It is perhaps not to Ben Carson’s credit is he is campaigning against a gentlemen who is quite certainly not going to be running for President next year. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/58 "2015-09-21T15:11:55Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > I thought I had seen the full extent of Republican intolerance, ignorance, and hypocrisy “full extent” of “Republican hypocricy”? That’s like the Limit of Infinity or Too Much Garlic. Ain’t no such animal. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/59 "2015-09-21T15:14:30Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > The process began back in 1964 when Goldwater celebrated extremism and denigrated moderation during the Republican national convention. But Goldwater was trounced electorally. And both parties had their wackos anyway. > > What happened is that Republican craziness, crackpot promotion, civic well poisoning and bomb throwing ratcheted up starting with Nixon, while the left started seriously self policing after Mondale got trounced in 1984. In 1992 there were signs that something was seriously wrong with the GOP, but in fact the saner elements generally had a firm upper hand. Those who governed figured they had to throw red meat to the dogs every election year (in Nixon’s formulation) but that was treated as just the cost of doing business. Sure, Reagan had rhetorically boosted supply side crackpottery and formed close ties with anti-science evangelicals. But at bottom he was an ideologically hard right President who was willing to compromise for his ends. That matters. > > The inflection point was Newt Gingrich during the early 1990s. Deciding to shut down the government in order to blackmail his way over a Presidential veto threat betrayed a fundamental misunderstanding _or rather indifference_ to the habits of compromise that form the basis of the US democratic system. The fact is, systems formed on division of powers are susceptible to gridlock, which is why Parliamentary systems have a better survival rate in the world. > > The 2nd development was the early 1990s rise of the conservative electronic media, which didn’t care too much about getting their facts right. It’s all emotional appeals, all the time. > Back in 1960, Republicans had an absolute lock on the professional class. Now they are anti-science and anti-scholarship: the level of debate is just sad. It’s no surprise that the professional class is trending Democratic, notwithstanding their affluence. Was Reagan chopped liver? He was the main purveyor of “Government can’t solve the problem. Government IS the problem.” He set the tone for practically all Republicans since. He was absolute poison to the very concept of responsible governemt and rulemaking through deliberate ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/60 "2015-09-21T15:24:41Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Whoa, when the writer of a debunked book like “Liberal Fascism” is not happy to see how Trump and its followers are “damaging conservatism” one should take notice. I’ve already noticed that the dog-whistle crowd is unhappy with Trump for picking up a bullhorn and ruining their (increasingly im)plausible deniability. At this point, further whining from the party establishment has no real value beyond the train-wreck entertainment of watching the sorcerer’s apprentice try to stop the animated brooms before he gets washed away. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007.md?page=4)