# Where is the outrage?!! (Ben Carson - Muslims unfit to be POTUS) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 20, 2015, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007 "2015-09-20T20:27:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/161 "2015-09-22T20:52:28Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > However, would you advocate for a Muslim candidate who choses radical, fanatical, or violent Islam over a candidate who believes in the BOR? Would you advocate for a Muslim candidate who advocates honor killings of their own children for leaving Islam, or their daughters for talking to boys? Let’s make a deal, Democrats will stop advocating for Muslims who choose their religion over the rights provided by our Constitution if Republicans stop advocating for Christians who choose their religion over the rights provided by our Constitution. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/162 "2015-09-22T20:58:19Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Are those the only two choices? Can I advocate for a moderate Muslim? Or, do they not exist? Did you read the title of this thread? Are you outraged that Carson doesn’t DID NOT say “Republican Candidate Carson Says Muslims Unfit to Be U.S. President”? Are you outraged that the NYT did say, “Republican Candidate Carson Says Muslims Unfit to Be U.S. President”? You can advocate for any candidate you chose to advocate for. However, would you advocate for a Muslim candidate who choses radical, fanatical, or violent Islam over a candidate who believes in the BOR? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/163 "2015-09-22T21:02:07Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Got anybody in the real world in mind? You seem to have internet access. Rumor has it that you often live in the real world. Anyone with internet access could answer the question. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/164 "2015-09-22T21:06:33Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > This does not fit in with **adaher** ’s preconceived notions, so he will not only ignore it, but it will not penetrate his neutronium thick skull plates. > > He literally will not be able to see your post. Things that disagree with his warped sense of the world do not actually get into his optic nerves. They are blocked at the source. Once again, did not address what Carson actually said, which was that he could not support a Muslim for President. Clinton did not say whether she would support a Muslim for President. However, it is a lot more than I expected of her. I’m also a bit surprised at the “Let’s move on”. If Carson had attacked women, we’d be hearing about it from now until a year after November. Why doesn’t she want to stick with this subject awhile longer? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/165 "2015-09-22T21:09:23Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > You can advocate for any candidate you chose to advocate for. However, would you advocate for a Muslim candidate who choses radical, fanatical, or violent Islam over a candidate who believes in the BOR? You continue to phrase this question as if you find it inconceivable that “Muslim candidate” and “candidate who believes in the Bill of Rights” are not mutually exclusive terms. ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/166 "2015-09-22T21:25:54Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > You seem to have internet access. Rumor has it that you often live in the real world. Anyone with internet access could answer the question. In other words, no, I don’t. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/167 "2015-09-22T21:28:08Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You continue to phrase this question as if you find it inconceivable that “Muslim candidate” and “candidate who believes in the Bill of Rights” are not mutually exclusive terms. Not simply a “Muslim candidate”, but a “Muslim candidate who choses radical, fanatical, or violent Islam”. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/168 "2015-09-22T21:31:09Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Not simply a “Muslim candidate”, but a “Muslim candidate who choses radical, fanatical, or violent Islam”. Then you both add far more qualifiers to the subject than candidate Carson deemed it necessary to, and posit a scenario which to the best of my knowledge has yet to occur in American electoral politics at any level. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/169 "2015-09-22T21:32:05Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I can understand why you wouldn’t want your chosen candidates to truthful, or factual, because they might not get elected. > > However, would you advocate for a Muslim candidate who choses radical, fanatical, or violent Islam over a candidate who believes in the BOR? Would you advocate for a Muslim candidate who advocates honor killings of their own children for leaving Islam, or their daughters for talking to boys? Like I said, that’s a tough one. I’m going to do some research tonight and get back to you tomorrow. I think you may have finally stumped me!! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/170 "2015-09-22T21:41:35Z")
> [@andros](#): > > That’s simply false. His own words are very clear, and they’re quoted just a couple posts up. Being allergic to facts is _de rigeur_ for the poster you addressed. > [@](#): > > God_damn_, would you try just once to say something that’s not completely fucking ignorant? Educate yourself, fool. That’s likely the problem right there. ralph did educate himself…badly! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/171 "2015-09-22T21:45:27Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I’m also a bit surprised at the “Let’s move on”. If Carson had attacked women, we’d be hearing about it from now until a year after November. Why doesn’t she want to stick with this subject awhile longer? If she stuck with it, you’d attack her for that. You’re a partisan muppet. Own it. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/172 "2015-09-22T21:48:24Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > His problem is that he believes the default position of Islam is contrary to the constitution. That is, anyone who is a Muslim has the added burden of publicly announcing his willingness to put the US Constitution about his religion. JFK had to do that 50 years ago. That should have been the last time it was necessary. It never should have been necessary; not for Kennedy, not for Romney, and not for any Muslim candidate or any candidate of any other religion. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/173 "2015-09-22T21:52:19Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > If she stuck with it, you’d attack her for that. > > You’re a partisan muppet. Own it. You don’t want to answer uncomfortable questions. Own it. I think it’s fair to ask why, unlike just about ANY OTHER gaffe by a candidate having to do with an -ism, that everyone seems to want to move on. Usually we can have this out for weeks or months. What’s different? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/174 "2015-09-22T22:05:32Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > It never should have been necessary; not for Kennedy, not for Romney, and not for any Muslim candidate or any candidate of any other religion. Yes. I noted, above, that I worded that poorly. It should never have been necessary, and we should hope that JFK was the last. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/175 "2015-09-22T22:06:24Z")
> [@](#): > > …unlike just about ANY OTHER gaffe by a candidate… What gaffe? She’s right, and it is that simple. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/176 "2015-09-22T22:10:18Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Being allergic to facts is _de rigeur_ for the poster you addressed. > > That’s likely the problem right there. ralph did educate himself…badly! To be fair, **doorhinge** seems to have taken it as a challenge. He’ really upping the stupid, and I for one applaud him for it. Keep fucking that chicken, **'hinge**! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/177 "2015-09-22T22:11:49Z")
Oh my god! Its not the same poor damn chicken, every time? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/178 "2015-09-22T22:13:53Z")
Meanwhile, President Obama has welcomed- _personally!_ - The Pope to The U.S.! Prepare for the onslaught of fearful Republicans angrily accusing Obama of being some kind of Christian sympathizer. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/179 "2015-09-22T22:26:20Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > … The inflection point was Newt Gingrich during the early 1990s. Deciding to shut down the government in order to blackmail his way over a Presidential veto threat betrayed a fundamental misunderstanding _or rather indifference_ to the habits of compromise that form the basis of the US democratic system… Thanks for the excellent summary of the transmorgrification of the Grand Old Party. I just want to add that it’s even more pathetic than this. Unbelievable as it may seem to adults, Gingrich chose to shut down the goverment (starting a Republiopathic _modus operandi_ that continues to this day) _not_ over ideology, but because he was bitter about the seating he was offered on Air Force One! ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007/180 "2015-09-23T00:05:01Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > Once again, Dr. Carson has been viciously slandered. He did NOT say that a muslim could not be president. what he did say is that someone who believes in sharia law and (rejects the tenets of the US Constitution) should not be president. I have no problem with this. Islam and its belief in theocratic government is not compatible with the US Constitution. that is what he was saying. > But of course, any semblance of truth is irrelevant to the PC crowd. Bullshit. Even if your exceptionally kind “interpretation” of his words was true, (which it was not), he has “explained” his comments by making more egregiously ignorant and Islamophobic remarks. [“I could never support a candidate for President of the United States that was Muslim and had not renounced the central tenant of Islam: Sharia Law,” he wrote. "I know that there are many peaceful Muslims who do not adhere to these beliefs. But until these tenants are fully renounced…I cannot advocate any Muslim candidate for President.](http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/21/politics/ben-carson-muslim-sharia-law-presidency/) Sharia is not “the central tenet of Islam.” That is a stupid statement that declares ignorance in the extreme. There are multiple versions of Sharia, (which simply means a legal philosophy, not one express set of laws), and living in metro Detroit near as many (Dearborn) Muslims as he does, he should be aware of that. He then went further, [“Now, if someone has a Muslim background, and they’re willing to reject those tenets and to accept the way of life that we have, and clearly will swear to place our Constitution above their religion, then of course they will be considered infidels and heretics, but at least I would then be quite willing to support them,” Carson said.](http://www.christiantoday.com/article/ben.carson.affirms.rejection.of.a.muslim.us.president.who.espouses.shariah.law/65462.htm) This is nothing but stupid hatred. The claim that a Muslim who did not place his or her religion above the laws of the U.S. would be considered an infidel and a heretic by (presumably) the majority of other Muslims is nothing but hate speech. It implies that all the Muslims currently serving in the military have rejected their religion for their country (which they swear to support when they enlist), and that their families and fellow citizens consider them “infidels” and “heretics” and that no good Muslim can be a good citizen. He then goes on to make a false accusation regarding _taqiyya_: [“Taqiyya is a component of Sharia that allows, and even encourages you to lie to achieve your goals.”](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2015/09/22/ben-carsons-claim-that-taqiyya-encourages-muslims-to-lie-to-achieve-your-goals/) That claim is debunked in the linked article, although it echos the same sort of lies spoken about Jews and Catholics by the KKK and similar groups. Ralph, he is a bigot. Your misguided defense of Carson is dumb. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-ben-carson-muslims-unfit-to-be-potus/732007.md?page=10)