# Where is the outrage over mom 24/7 sex slave **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 22, 2008, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-over-mom-24-7-sex-slave/442360 "2008-03-22T19:05:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-over-mom-24-7-sex-slave/442360/361 "2008-03-23T23:20:49Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > No, the question has not been answered. Various posters have presented various opinions. That is very different from a factual and correct answer having been given. **freekalette** herself has said in the main thread that they consider themselves equals in many ways, including in making parenting decisions. I didn’t think I’d have to spell it out for you, but apparently you’ve been asleep at the wheel. > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > On the contrary. She made it clear that her husband orders her around like a slave and makes her wear dog collars in front of her kids. That’s either a deliberate misreading (ie trolling) or you’re just not paying attention. I invite you to actually read the original thread in its entirety. If you still haven’t figured it out at that point, there’s not much point in trying to have a discussion with you. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-over-mom-24-7-sex-slave/442360/362 "2008-03-23T23:21:08Z")
[QUOTE=xcheopis] She also said that such periods are fewer and not so intense; that she’s making a lot of improvement on her own. Is that possible for someone who is clinically manic-depressive? [/QUOTE] I’m sorry. I should have been clearer. As a manic depressive myself, I think **Freakalette** has described a classic case. Yes, it is possible for a manic depressive to improve on their own and be stable for a while. Usually, this is followed by a major episode. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-over-mom-24-7-sex-slave/442360/363 "2008-03-23T23:21:16Z")
[QUOTE=LilGypsyGirl] And then, she is never to be seen again in this thread. WTF? :dubious: I dunno - I call shennanigans. Something’s not right. [/QUOTE] Why would she come back to this thread when she didn’t even start it and she already has a thread she started? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-over-mom-24-7-sex-slave/442360/364 "2008-03-23T23:23:14Z")
[QUOTE=Hostile Dialect] **freekalette** herself has said in the main thread that they consider themselves equals in many ways, including in making parenting decisions. I didn’t think I’d have to spell it out for you, but apparently you’ve been asleep at the wheel. That’s either a deliberate misreading (ie trolling) or you’re just not paying attention. I invite you to actually read the original thread in its entirety. If you still haven’t figured it out at that point, there’s not much point in trying to have a discussion with you. [/QUOTE] How they conceptualize things for _thmselves_ is not relevant. What the KIDS see is mommy being utterly subservient to her husband. The kids have not been asked for or been granted any consent in this arrangement. Do you have any kids? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-over-mom-24-7-sex-slave/442360/365 "2008-03-23T23:24:39Z")
[QUOTE=Freudian Slit] Why would she come back to this thread when she didn’t even start it and she already has a thread she started? [/QUOTE] She’s gutless for starting a thread on such a potentially inflammatory subject in a forum where she can’t really be challenged. ---
**Author:** ![Marienee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/73ab20/32.png) [@Marienee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marienee)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-over-mom-24-7-sex-slave/442360/366 "2008-03-23T23:25:53Z")
[QUOTE=xcheopis] She also said that such periods are fewer and not so intense; that she’s making a lot of improvement on her own. Is that possible for someone who is clinically manic-depressive? [/QUOTE] It is very possible. It is more than possible, it is routine for people to report and/or experience improvement which does not map onto the reality of their functioning also. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-over-mom-24-7-sex-slave/442360/367 "2008-03-23T23:28:33Z")
[QUOTE=Hostile Dialect] **freekalette** herself has said in the main thread that they consider themselves equals in many ways, including in making parenting decisions. I didn’t think I’d have to spell it out for you, but apparently you’ve been asleep at the wheel. [/QUOTE] But what she perceives in her mind and presents to us is not necessarily what the children perceive in their minds based on what they observe. Thus the question remains unanswered. Don’t confuse my not agreeing with you to be inattention to the threads. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-over-mom-24-7-sex-slave/442360/368 "2008-03-23T23:30:12Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] She’s gutless for starting a thread on such a potentially inflammatory subject in a forum where she can’t really be challenged. [/QUOTE] Have there EVER been any “Ask The” threads started in the Pit? Why would anyone even consider that? She’s a coward for starting a primarily informative thread in MPSIMS? Is she supposed to start a thread like that in a place that will allow it to be taken over by inflammatory busybodies? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-over-mom-24-7-sex-slave/442360/369 "2008-03-23T23:31:13Z")
I think something that needs to be clearly stated is that those of us who have objections to this lifestyle do not see it as a sexual issue but as a _parenting_ issue. It’s not about judging someone else’s sexual choices. That’s a red herring. ---
**Author:** ![xcheopis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/bc8723/32.png) [@xcheopis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xcheopis)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-over-mom-24-7-sex-slave/442360/370 "2008-03-23T23:32:05Z")
[QUOTE=LilGypsyGirl] Frankly, I don’t really care WHAT goes on in freekalette’s house. Whatever. What DID bug me was her post in THIS thread - obviously, I’m paraphrasing here… And then, she is never to be seen again in this thread. WTF? :dubious: I dunno - I call shennanigans. Something’s not right. [/QUOTE] HOW IT WORKS: If someone does “defend” themselves, then they are attacked by ever-escalating false assumptions, slippery slopes, straw-men, an inability to understand written English, and twisted words. And, of course, the more the person tries to clarify, the more the attackers huff and puff about “changing stories” or “attempts to justify.” Further communication is pointless and the person leaves, only to be decried as being cowardly, a troll, a liar, blah blah blah. If they don’t bother “defending” themselves in the first place, then they are cowardly, a troll, a liar, blah blah blah. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-over-mom-24-7-sex-slave/442360/371 "2008-03-23T23:32:17Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] Have there EVER been any “Ask The” threads started in the Pit? Why would anyone even consider that? She’s a coward for starting a primarily informative thread in MPSIMS? [/quote] I think it’s a primarily trolling thread, not an “informative” one. ---
**Author:** ![Marienee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/73ab20/32.png) [@Marienee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marienee)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-over-mom-24-7-sex-slave/442360/372 "2008-03-23T23:32:29Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] She’s gutless for starting a thread on such a potentially inflammatory subject in a forum where she can’t really be challenged. [/QUOTE] That’s not really fair, is it? Should she have started an “ask the..” thread in the Pit? ---
**Author:** ![xcheopis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/bc8723/32.png) [@xcheopis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xcheopis)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-over-mom-24-7-sex-slave/442360/373 "2008-03-23T23:33:27Z")
[QUOTE=DocCathode] I’m sorry. I should have been clearer. As a manic depressive myself, I think **Freakalette** has described a classic case. Yes, it is possible for a manic depressive to improve on their own and be stable for a while. Usually, this is followed by a major episode. [/QUOTE] Thanks, I know very little about manic-depression and that’s good information to know. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-over-mom-24-7-sex-slave/442360/374 "2008-03-23T23:37:20Z")
[QUOTE=Marienee] That’s not really fair, is it? Should she have started an “ask the..” thread in the Pit? [/QUOTE] It’s kind of like starting an “ask the racist” thread. It sets the OP up in a position where they can push all the buttons they want without getting challenged. The least she could do is actually adress the pit thread. To make potentially inflammatory or controversial statements in MPSIMS under the guise of an “ask the…” thread where no one can respond with any force is trolling. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-over-mom-24-7-sex-slave/442360/375 "2008-03-23T23:37:31Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I think it’s a primarily trolling thread, not an “informative” one. [/QUOTE] Opinions, assholes…you know how the saying goes. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-over-mom-24-7-sex-slave/442360/376 "2008-03-23T23:37:42Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] She’s gutless for starting a thread on such a potentially inflammatory subject in a forum where she can’t really be challenged. [/QUOTE] Wrong. You can challenge her to your hearts content in MPSIMS. What you can not do there is insult her or vent your anger against her. If you are not able to challenge her without losing your cool, that is your problem, not hers. Certainly there is no reason why she should come to this forum to receive your castigation when she already is posting in a forum where full discussion and direct challenges are the norm. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-over-mom-24-7-sex-slave/442360/377 "2008-03-23T23:40:29Z")
[QUOTE=Muffin] Wrong. You can challenge her to your hearts content in MPSIMS. What you can not do there is insult her or vent your anger against her. If you are not able to challenge her without losing your cool, that is your problem, not hers. Certainly there is no reason why she should come to this forum to receive your castigation when she already is posting in a forum where full discussion and direct challenges are the norm. [/QUOTE] Really? Can I ask her how how she’s going to feel when her kids start cutting themselves? Can I flat out tell her that I think her described behavior is deeply inappropriate and lousy parenting? I don’t think so. Anything but puppies and bunnies buys a warning in MPSIMS. ---
**Author:** ![LilGypsyGirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/54ee81/32.png) [@LilGypsyGirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilGypsyGirl)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-over-mom-24-7-sex-slave/442360/378 "2008-03-23T23:40:35Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] She’s gutless for starting a thread on such a potentially inflammatory subject in a forum where she can’t really be challenged. [/QUOTE] I think this is what I was trying to say. I read through the last few pages of the original thread, and she seems to be feeding off the attention (most of it sort of positive - or at least a lot less dicey than in here) and seems to avoid any of the questions in there that are asked that seem to be less-then-positive. There was a lot to read in there, so I may have missed some of it. I guess MY thought when I posted was “why even post in here at all, if you weren’t coming back to defend yourself?” Was it a warning that she’s lurking? A lame dig at the people not siding with her, or at least condoning her lifestyle? I just don’t see the point of her coming in here, throwing out a “neener neener” and hauling ass back to the other thread. She acknowledges getting Pitted in the other thread. _shrug_ Or I’m just stupid and I’m missing something. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-over-mom-24-7-sex-slave/442360/379 "2008-03-23T23:40:43Z")
[QUOTE=Muffin] Wrong. You can challenge her to your hearts content in MPSIMS. What you can not do there is insult her or vent your anger against her. If you are not able to challenge her without losing your cool, that is your problem, not hers. Certainly there is no reason why she should come to this forum to receive your castigation when she already is posting in a forum where full discussion and direct challenges are the norm. [/QUOTE] He does have HALF a point…the original thread is posted in MPSIMS, not GD. It probably should have gone into GD, at least. But yeah, I’m hearing **Diogenes** as basically saying “It’s unfair that she hasn’t actually come with paddle in hand to the Pit so that we can all personally punish her for doing things differently than we would…” ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-over-mom-24-7-sex-slave/442360/380 "2008-03-23T23:41:48Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Really? Can I ask her how how she’s going to feel when her kids start cutting themselves? Can I flat out tell her that I think her described behavior is deeply inappropriate and lousy parenting? I don’t think so. Anything but puppies and bunnies buys a warning in MPSIMS. [/QUOTE] DUDE! Why didn’t you tell us you were psychic?! C’mon…what are the numbers for tomorrow going to be? Powerball, preferably. Just for me? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-over-mom-24-7-sex-slave/442360.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-is-the-outrage-over-mom-24-7-sex-slave/442360.md?page=20)