Detractors? You mean people who might want you to back up your claims (in this case that the aura exists and some people can see it) with hard facts – that isn’t “detracting”, that’s just attempting to hold you to reasonable debating standards. Such attempts, as I have seen, have always failed, and I suspect they always will.
Ok I found this info:
Halos are symbolic of a spiritual light (Matthew 5:14). If it can be seen physically, then someone must be given special vision (though I doubt that that happens).
Ok I found this info:
Halos are symbolic of a spiritual light (Matthew 5:14). If it can be seen physically, then someone must be given special vision (though I doubt that that happens).
My soul is getting funky with the beat in 1974 in Cuban heels.
I know that Greenfield has expanded on the theory of conciousness and I would tend to agree with her work anyway. It was easier for me to link a specific area of the brain directly to consciousness. Even though the cerebrum is a location that is fundamental to conciousness, additional parts of the whole nervous system, indeed whole body are responsible for the illusion.
I plead guilty of simplifying the matter.
Sorry, I dont mean to compare people with this disorder to Bush and others. I also realise there are people on the board with Aspergers Syndrome.
It was purely for illustration. It is difficult to convey my definition without examples. You know how some people just are not there in terms of connecting with others. The lack self awareness and empathy. Nor can they appreciate art or beauty as well as others. I suppose that was what I was trying to get at. So ignore the disorders.
Perhaps soul is like mojo.
The apologies are all mine for being so tetchy, ante. To think, I called “guff” on almost the one person in this entire thread who is willing to debate in good faith about falsifiable statements!
Originally posted by lekatt:
I can see auras only by meditation.
Sorry to nit pick but its medication…seriousley though most of the NDE ‘symptoms’ ie out of body experiences, auras etc can be recreated in the home with various drugs. A recreational party drug called ketamine’ that also happens to be a powerful anasthetic, is well known for causing ‘near death’ type experiences. I’m pretty sure that the anesthetics they use in hospital could cause similar effects.
On an added note my ‘soul’ is located beneath my feet.
There is now scientific research indicating different.
If you will go back to page one of this thread I have listed the links and other material concerning this.
I don’t think “given” is the right word. I would say “earned”. In my experience the spiritual world is completely fair. Those who do the spiritual growth path are the ones who grow in all the spiritual abilities. So it is a matter of learning to love.
There is nothing different today than 2000 years ago. God still talks to His children, helps them, and heals them. Miracles still happen and prayer still works. But sometimes we have to move outside of our “comfort zones” to see the Light.
The Bible is not God, “the Kingdom of God lies within” said Jesus.
The scientists have not done away with God through their theories. Everything is just as it should be.
Love
Leroy
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As I’ve said before, you have no experience of the spiritual world. You have Pseudotheizine induced delusions and hallucinations
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My research has shown this to be false. Love, compassion, etc have nothing to do with whether an individual’s MetaConscious Mind becomes Actualized.
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This is true. Actualization of the MCM is a traumatic experience which often shatters a person’s perception of the world and their perception of self. Willingly engaging in such introspection and questioning is also the only known cure for Pseudotheizine. Had you stepped outside your own “comfort zone” your MCM may have survived.
I know of no scientist who has tried to ‘do away with God’. Gould does a wonderful job of demolishing creation ‘science’. But, his writing is filled with awe and wonder. His essay on why, when presented with a large food source, the gall midge will forego sexaul reproduction in favor of parthogenesis and larva who devour the mother from inside reads like a hymn.
RE The OP
My own research is focused on the nature of mind and the mind/brain connection. I have spent countless hours observing and recording the NonCorporealConsciousnessField(what a laypeople call a “soul”). I have made many fascinating discoveries about the connection and interaction of the brain and NCCF. I’ve found one of the cliches about science to be very true. For every one answer I find, I discover a score of questions.
I would say that the soul is a shorthand for the individuals experience of him (her) self. we have an objective view of the world which is mediated first by sense data and then by science, which is an extension of sense data. But even if science could come up with a complete theory of the brain-mind interaction, science would not describe what it is like to * be * an individual. Thus the world is divided into two realms of experience: the objective or third person world and the subjective or first person world.
This is a truncated and clumsy summation of some ideas of the philosopher Thomas Nagel. I cannot reccommend his books Mortal Questions and The view from Nowhere too highly. In the first book the essays “What is it like to be a bat” and “subjectivity and objectivity” are especially valuable, and well written to boot.
By the way, whatever consciousness is, it appears to need a healthy brain to function properly. No brain, no soul. Sorry about that.
While one can attempt to explain things from the third person person position it is not valid in my thinking. One is always experiencing the world and everything in it from themselves through the beliefs they have gathered. There is no such thing as objective experience unless you can remove yourself from this earth and observe it, and even then your thoughts would be colored by your beliefs.
As for the brain, there is some really strong evidence now that consciousness can live without the brain. Check out the first page of this thread for my posts.
Love
I have never seen a lurking grue either but I can tell you everything you want to know about them.Same goes for Snozzwogglers, Xibrymugginsteekles and <insert nonsense word here>.
My view of the soul is simply the total person minus the body. While the body is alive, the soul resides just behind the eyes and manifests itself to other souls trapped in their brains through a viable brain of its own. Once the body ceases to function the soul becomes free of the body although unable to affect others or change their environment. This somewhat helpless state may well be what Peter describes as prison in his first epistle where he writes about Jesus preaching to the “spirits in prison” who were contemporaries of Noah.
Fortunately God promises us a new body at some future date.
Anyway, thats how I see it.
My view of the soul is simply the total person minus the body. While the body is alive, the soul resides just behind the eyes and manifests itself to other souls trapped in their brains through a viable brain of its own. Once the body ceases to function the soul becomes free of the body although unable to affect others or change their environment. This somewhat helpless state may well be what Peter describes as prison in his first epistle where he writes about Jesus preaching to the “spirits in prison” who were contemporaries of Noah.
Fortunately God promises us a new body at some future date.
Anyway, thats how I see it.
Souls are unwarranted inferences and though people like Lekatt continue to claim all sorts of “proof” that supports their claims of being able to discern souls and auras and such, no one has yet demonstrated anything of the kind.
The “false teeth” story Lekatt alludes to was laughable.When it was first making the rounds on the net, the anecdote was that the man awaoke after surgery adn turned to the first face he saw adn asked for his teeth.The latest revision has him seeking out the specific nurse who allegedly took his teeth/dentures and telling her that he saw her take them during an OBE.
Aside from the usual problems with anecdotal accounts, I have a problem with the mannerisms of those who allegedly have these incredible experiences.You would think that if someone went soaring out of their body and witnessed their own surgery or somesuch they would be a little more excited…even hysterical upon realizing it was not just a dream/hallucination!
But no…they calmly awake and ask for their dentures.WHen the nurse asks how the person knew she took them they calmly reply “Oh my sould jumped out of my body and started minching spiritual popcorn while I/we watched you guys work on I/me/us”.
A proper controlled study/experiment can EASILY be devised to determine if people can see auras as Lekatt described and one can also be easily devised to establish NDEs/OBEs.
But every single time someone proposes such a test, the NDE’ers/aura readers either fall silent or come up with an excuse for why they cannot do what they claim.
I wield the mighty Occam’s razor!!!
This view of the soul is little more than what Dennet calls a “skyhook”. A skyhook sounds like some impressive piece of machinery for some lofty construction task but…
A)It does not exist
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B)There is no need to infer the existence of a skyhook.
There is no construct or part of a construction which could not exist but for someone emploing the use of a skyhook.
Same with the “soul”.
Our physical brains can account for all that is known about “mind” adn what is unknown is simply UNKNOWN.There is nothing about our minds that requires a “soul” to explain.
Whats more, your proposition begs a slew of questions:
What part of our living/physical bodies “imprisons” the soul and how/why does this work?
IF the soul can see and * hear* which would be a reasonable inference based upon the OBE/NDE accounts, then why are there any blind/deaf people on earth???It seems that having one’s eyes plucked out in some horrible accident would just allow the soul to guide you around.
Why do we have physical bodies at all and why would God give us “new ones”??THis goes against everything known about evolutionary biology!Trees do not develope eyes because they are not predators and cannot avoid prey, therefore having the ability to see danger coming or prey escaping is of no use.
I don’t think Ockham would approve in this case. I arrived at my view by revelation, faith, not by reason.
I just wonder how one would erect the antenna on top of the CN tower in Toronto.
You say. Science has still not come up with the answer as to how to formulate a whole bunch of atoms into a conglomeration that can love, hate, feel joy and sorrow, and have those molecules even question the origin of their own existence. Can you suggest a possible avenue to research this question?
If I knew that, I might have an answer for you explaining human emotions.
Ah, but if you were trapped in a room without light and they took out the windows, you would’nt see again until you left the room.
We sojourn here on earth with corruptible physical bodies as part of our development towards our future with God. Wouldn’t you want to wear something much better than your present body?