# Where my Anthem(0) homies at? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 17, 2012, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-my-anthem-0-homies-at/641258 "2012-11-17T00:21:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2012, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-my-anthem-0-homies-at/641258/21 "2012-11-17T09:33:00Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > [A link](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=672144) for anyone with a pesky few remaining functioning brain cells that they’d like to have killed off. Oh _god_ that was awful. I think my nose started bleeding around the third paragraph… > [@](#): > > Just like the participants in the recent Summer O’ Racism, this guy doesn’t just glory in his stupidity, but deems it superior to all other forms of mentality. Stupid is better than smart! Oh, that _ended_? _Awesome_. 😃 > [@Smeghead](#): > > I’m proud to be able to say that I’ve already forgotten the name of the douchebag behind the main Summer O’ Racism thread. Yay me! It was a Pit thread that ran around a hundred pages or so. Can’t remember the name of the thread, either. New Deal Democrat. I just noticed he got banned. Yay! Also, let’s not forget good ol’ **Brazil84** , who had the lovely fortune of being both a racist _and_ and a climate denialist! Was Kozmik the one with those “miniature flying objects” threads, or was that some other guy? ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2012, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-my-anthem-0-homies-at/641258/22 "2012-11-17T11:14:47Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Ah, the **Crystal Meth** od. Don’t you want to trip like I do? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2012, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-my-anthem-0-homies-at/641258/23 "2012-11-17T23:28:04Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I like crystals. They’re pretty. That might have been the best thing to come out of the whole New Age thing: crystals! Geodes! Gem and mineral samples! Yeah, they drove the prices up, but they also made a lot of really pretty things widely available. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2012, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-my-anthem-0-homies-at/641258/24 "2012-11-17T23:41:01Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I like crystals. They’re pretty. I like Crystal Light. It’s tangy. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2012, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-my-anthem-0-homies-at/641258/25 "2012-11-18T15:44:20Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > There was a guy on the Bad Astronomy board, quite a few years ago, who had one of those insights. Phi ^ n = light. It was so very, very clear to him. To the rest of us, it was gibberish. He tried and he tried to explain it – can’t you see? – and the thread lasted forever. We had the phi-guy here too [The Great Phi Theory. - Great Debates - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=97714) ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2012, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-my-anthem-0-homies-at/641258/26 "2012-11-18T16:23:00Z")
The problem with these great thinkers who are on the OUTside of academia looking IN is that they fancy themselves Galileo or Copernicus being persecuted by irrational backwards thinking muppets. It’s the 21st century. You should be so lucky to have a theory that revolutionizes everything the way the heliocentric universe did. A working theory with proof that would shatter perception on that magnitude would not only bag every single prize in existence, it guarantees you a spot in the pantheon next to Einstein. Past Feynman probably. Yet it’s the scientists that are sheep and “afraid” of new things. I said it in the actual thread. I feel sorry for these people who clearly have a passion for science and either lacked resources or ability to properly study it. Now that failure has turned into resentment which has turned into a powerful reservoir of manic energy. Imagine the manhours these psychopaths have dedicated to the propagation of their home-worked theories. Would it rival the number of hours a college student puts into HW? ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2012, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-my-anthem-0-homies-at/641258/27 "2012-11-18T19:33:32Z")
Except the hours they’re putting in aren’t actual work. I think that’s one thing that irritates me about people like this. Science - REAL science - is HARD. It takes a massive amount of work. It can take years of working 60 hours a week to collect the data for one single paper that nobody will read. I’m a grad student right now, so it’s a bit of a sore spot. Idiots like this come swooping in and declare that they have invalidated vast swathes of stuff that has been proven to be true by hard work and real evidence, then are just _shocked_ when people don’t immediately bow down and accept them at their word, without a single shred of evidence. You don’t get to do that. Nobody gets to do that. Scientists don’t get to do that. If you want to convince me of something, you have to put the work in to proving it. That attitude, in and of itself, is proof that people like this don’t know the first thing about what they’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2012, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-my-anthem-0-homies-at/641258/28 "2012-11-18T19:56:55Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Idiots like this come swooping in and declare that they have invalidated vast swathes of stuff that has been proven to be true by hard work and real evidence, then are just _shocked_ when people don’t immediately bow down and accept them at their word, without a single shred of evidence. You don’t get to do that. Nobody gets to do that. Scientists don’t get to do that. If you want to convince me of something, you have to put the work in to proving it. That attitude, in and of itself, is proof that people like this don’t know the first thing about what they’re talking about. That’s just it. You don’t get anywhere by declaring a theory (or stating it as a fact) and then getting butthurt at the very first sign of disagreement or mockery. It’s a good rule of thumb that anyone who does can be safely dismissed as an inconsequential loon. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2012, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-my-anthem-0-homies-at/641258/29 "2012-11-18T20:32:51Z")
I very much doubt that **Anthem (0)** actually believes a word of his theory. > [@Calling all Great Minds: The Theory of Everything](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862/1): > > Cogent rebuttals will be addressed when I return to this timeline, hopefully in a few days time. Until then, here’s one more hint: Love is all you need. You are being played guys. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2012, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-my-anthem-0-homies-at/641258/30 "2012-11-18T21:02:24Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > You are being played guys. [WhaaaaaAAAAAAAA???](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHjFxJVeCQs) ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2012, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-my-anthem-0-homies-at/641258/31 "2012-11-18T21:10:16Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > I very much doubt that **Anthem (0)** actually believes a word of his theory. > > You are being played guys. Yeah, quite possibly. After 12 years on this site, I’ve more or less quit worrying about it. Anyone here could be trolling. There’s no real way to know. I’ve decided not to care, and just treat it like an underlying assumption. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-my-anthem-0-homies-at/641258/32 "2012-11-19T07:42:13Z")
Ok, here’s a sample : > [@Calling all Great Minds: The Theory of Everything](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/calling-all-great-minds-the-theory-of-everything/640862/411): > > I don’t think you’re understanding the point I was making. I understand that the mathematical equations don’t break down once you enter outer space and I stated as much in my post. What I’m saying is that the LAWS (the ACTUAL PHYSICAL properties) themselves breakdown. Not the mathematical equations which describe these physical properties, the ACTUAL law inverts and becomes NEGATIVE. The math equation doesn’t change but the actual _principle_ being described is no longer itself, it is the opposite of itself. Pressure becomes “anti-pressure”, warmth becomes “anti-warmth”. You go from having full control of movement You go from being one of the largest things in the environment (humans are _gigantic_ compared to most everything on Earth, especially as far as terrestrial life is concerned) to being so small as to be completely invisible. You go from being able to move freely in three-dimensional space to being able to flop about madly in your tiny 3D bubble while traveling in an uncontrollable _singular direction_ which can only be described as “whichever direction you were headed when you left/entered”…which is just another way of saying **every POSSIBLE direction**. > > \ > > This is a phenomenon which people ignore entirely too often, and that is very dangerous when it permeates the realm of factual knowledge. We look in a spoon and the image inverts itself _vertically_ (UPside DOWN or FRONTside BACK) but retains its basic morphology. We look in a mirror and the image inverts itself horizontally (LEFTside RIGHT or FRONTside BACK). But these are the only two dimensions we can really see and this is because we are OUT from them. They are negatives. When your physical body enters outer space, the same thing happens, but INside OUT inversion is correspondingly more severe. But your body literally tries to expand itself inside out…just like your body tries to compress itself OUTside IN when deep underwater. These are the same damn effect. > > Think, people. Now compare to the compendium of crank websites, [http://www.crank.net/](http://www.crank.net/) Anthem is somewhere between “ **Fringe** ” and “ **Illucid** ”. But where? This guy is Cranky: [http://www.cosmosview.com/cosmos.htm](http://www.cosmosview.com/cosmos.htm) I’d say Anthem has gone beyond his work. Here’s a crankier sampling: Hardly few realize the fact that the foundation of science has broken and has come one circle, to the beginning point. It started by isolating matter from mind and consciousness. However, with evolution of science and the advent of uncertainty theory and quantum science, it became clear that matter could not be understood in isolation of mind and consciousness. Science evolved from the study of interaction of matter to the interaction of fields and concluded that quantum fields is the physical reality and this physical reality, arises from a unified field. Today Scientist’s on one hand is faced with task of bringing up the unification of different fields they invented, on the other hand they are faced with the task of explaining the mental and conscious fields, how they exist and interact with matter field. In a way, science exists and works on absolute ignorance of interrelationship and oneness of nature." That fits. Anthem is **crankier**. However, he is not **crankiest** : “Why do I believe Planet X will be returning in 2003? A combination of in depth research and life experience. In the mid '70’s, at age 19, I started work with a solar cell corporation. It had technology that could undercut the cost of fossil fuels and nuclear power. Twelve years later it became clear that there were people that controlled the energy cartel, banks and media that were engaged in a combination of underhanded financial and legal maneuvers to stop us. I wasn’t looking to find that these controllers existed. I had no interest in them. I did become acutely aware of them first hand, having watched as they slapped the company I worked with down and effectively shelved the technology.” ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-my-anthem-0-homies-at/641258/33 "2012-11-19T10:43:58Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > After 12 years on this site, I’ve more or less quit worrying about it. Anyone here could be trolling. There’s no real way to know. I’ve decided not to care, and just treat it like an underlying assumption. Often it’s impossible to tell. But not, I think, when the OP makes a casual implicit claim that he can travel between dimensions, and also chooses to share his magnum opus on a site called _lunaticoutpost_. With the ones I’m unsure about, I try to post the simplest possible debunking, then remind myself that getting into any discussion is unlikely to be productive. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-my-anthem-0-homies-at/641258/34 "2012-11-19T13:20:26Z")
> [@Oedipus](#): > > Its like he thinks he’s a goddamn alien making contact with apes. I mentioned in the other thread that he appears to imply that very thing in an exchange he had after posting the same OP on another board. In one post on the other board, he said: [QUOTE=Anthem(0)] Please assure me YOU aren’t the shining example of a “great mind” of your species. [/QUOTE] I just wish he would tell us exactly what kind of overlord he is, so we could properly welcome him. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2012, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-my-anthem-0-homies-at/641258/35 "2012-11-19T15:49:39Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > I just wish he would tell us exactly what kind of overlord he is, so we could properly welcome him. Well, everyone likes cupcakes. Although a Baked Alaska might encapsulate his theory better. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-my-anthem-0-homies-at/641258/36 "2012-11-21T01:06:37Z")
the kid is a really good troll OR mentally ill. either way, I’ve got to stop reading his thread. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-my-anthem-0-homies-at/641258/37 "2012-11-21T01:33:53Z")
I understand that university physicist encounter his type with some regularity. If he is a troll, he is merely imitating a crank. Via [crank.net](http://crank.net), visit [Are you a quack?](http://insti.physics.sunysb.edu/~siegel/quack.html) (I disagree with that nomenclature actually. To me quacks are insiders using dubious methodology while cranks are outsiders using dubious methodology.) At any rate: This page is dedicated to the many people who have occasionally drifted into my office, or sent me e-mail, or even mailed me their books, eager to tell me about their new theory, which they know will turn all known physics on its head, even though they have only studied an infinitesimal fraction of the latter. Some of them are just ignorant or naive, but are willing to learn; this page is _not_ about them. … Quacks (also known as “crackpots” or “cranks”) want only to talk and not to listen. They are paranoids with delusions of grandeur: Their theory could never be wrong; therefore everyone else’s must be. No one will listen to their self-contradictory claims; therefore there must be a world-wide web of conspiracy, lasting generations (apparently even between opposing sides through the World Wars & Cold War) to promote fantastic theories which, for some unexplained reason, seem sufficient for the design & operation of modern technology. It is easy to distinguish the quacks; although they may seem reasonable at first, they degenerate into absurdity progressively with any conversation. … Mental illness is common, but most of the afflicted can still function in today’s society (although often this is because they are retired). ---
**Author:** ![MDKSquared](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MDKSquared](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MDKSquared)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-my-anthem-0-homies-at/641258/38 "2012-11-21T02:06:08Z")
It’s really weird; so many cranks seem to have the exact same personality, exact same quirks, etc. Conceding a point is just not even a remote possibility. No matter how insane they are, they will never, ever, ever, ever admit fault or acknowledge a problem with their theory. And there’s a reason why: Their theories are usually unfalsifiable. When your entire theory is based on metaphysics, you can pretty much say whatever the hell you want. Doesn’t make it true though. Of course, when they try to defend it using science we DO know, they get all that shit wrong. But to them it isn’t a huge deal because the scientists are just snooty elitists trying to silence free thought or whatever have you. Toss in heaping mounds of condescension and you’re on your way! ---
**Author:** ![romadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@romadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romadea)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-my-anthem-0-homies-at/641258/39 "2012-11-21T02:17:40Z")
> [@MDKSquared](#): > > It’s really weird; so many cranks seem to have the exact same personality, exact same quirks, etc.! It’s not that weird. Mental illness tends to be formulaic. I’ll save the math for another thread. ---
**Author:** ![trabajabamos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/47e85d/32.png) [@trabajabamos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/trabajabamos)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-my-anthem-0-homies-at/641258/40 "2012-11-21T03:05:31Z")
**Anthem** is impenetrably fucking stupid. And a liar. And possibly out of his damn mind. That, or he’s a shockingly persistent troll. Fuck that guy. …that felt nice. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-my-anthem-0-homies-at/641258.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-my-anthem-0-homies-at/641258.md?page=3)