# Where was Barack Obama, to stand for Democracy? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 12, 2015, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597 "2015-01-12T03:49:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2015, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/601 "2015-01-21T20:20:45Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I had no idea that Merkel and Netenyahu were equally as prestigious and influential as Obama and that they were subject to as many death threats on a regular basis as Obama is. I would guess that Netanyahu gets more death threats and is more of a target than Obama is. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2015, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/602 "2015-01-21T20:23:34Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > It prevents US courts from enforcing a foreign judgment to the extent that the judgment is inconsistent with the First Amendment and equivalent state constitutional protections. Most of News Corp.'s assets are located outside the US, though, so Paris or whoever can attach those. Fox has substantial broadcasting operations in Paris itself, for example. We’ll see how this lawsuit plays out, if it ever does. I expect that Madame Mayor was just speechifying, though, as you alluded to. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2015, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/603 "2015-01-21T20:28:00Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > I would guess that Netanyahu gets more death threats and is more of a target than Obama is. You would guess wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2015, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/604 "2015-01-21T20:46:55Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > You would guess wrong. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2015, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/605 "2015-01-21T20:53:37Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Cite? You gotta cite your “guess” first. You made the original claim, so right back at you. Cite that Netanyahu gets more death threats than Obama? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2015, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/606 "2015-01-21T21:29:40Z")
I should hope it would be obvious that adding a big fat juicy target to another would not perzackly be a good idea. Maybe that’s just me, I get all kinds of crazy ideas like that. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2015, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/607 "2015-01-21T22:08:52Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I should hope it would be obvious that adding a big fat juicy target to another would not perzackly be a good idea. Maybe that’s just me, I get all kinds of crazy ideas like that. You’re clearly unfamiliar with the “candy store” security tactic, in which so many high value targets are dangled in front of the terrorists that they just stand there frozen in place, drooling. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2015, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/608 "2015-01-21T22:17:39Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > You gotta cite your “guess” first. You made the original claim, so right back at you. A “guess” is a guess. It doesn’t need a cite - it’s a guess. But his statement was not a guess. So it needs a cite. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2015, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/609 "2015-01-21T22:22:45Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > A “guess” is a guess. It doesn’t need a cite - it’s a guess. But his statement was not a guess. So it needs a cite. What the hell is the point of telling us your guesses then. Keep them to yourself next time. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2015, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/610 "2015-01-21T22:25:15Z")
Guys, arguing about who is more likely to be shot/threatened is kind of pointless. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2015, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/611 "2015-01-21T22:27:58Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > What the hell is the point of telling us your guesses then. Feel free to complain to the management. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/612 "2015-01-22T00:54:37Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > I would guess that Netanyahu gets more death threats and is more of a target than Obama is. [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/5967942/Barack-Obama-faces-30-death-threats-a-day-stretching-US-Secret-Service.html](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/5967942/Barack-Obama-faces-30-death-threats-a-day-stretching-US-Secret-Service.html) “Since Mr Obama took office, the rate of threats against the president has increased 400 per cent from the 3,000 a year or so under President George W. Bush, according to Ronald Kessler, author of In the President’s Secret Service.” Now I think with Netanyahu we can assume he doesn’t get too many domestic death threats, so who do you think is sending him more than 30 a day? And do you really truly believe (and we all know you don’t, so please try to forego an obvious lie) that AQ, IS, or any of the other big hitters in terror wouldn’t really like to bag the president of the US as a target. Yes, lots of hard line islamists hate Israel, but we all know who they think is the power that supports them. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/613 "2015-01-22T01:13:49Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > “Since Mr Obama took office, the rate of threats against the president has increased 400 per cent from the 3,000 a year or so under President George W. Bush, according to Ronald Kessler, author of In the President’s Secret Service.” > > Now I think with Netanyahu we can assume he doesn’t get too many domestic death threats, so who do you think is sending him more than 30 a day? “Sending” - no. Plotting to kill him - I think there are a lot more than ones for Obama. > [@](#): > > And do you really truly believe (and we all know you don’t, so please try to forego an obvious lie) that AQ, IS, or any of the other big hitters in terror wouldn’t really like to bag the president of the US as a target. Yes, lots of hard line islamists hate Israel, but we all know who they think is the power that supports them. I think they would just as much or more like to kill Netanyahu as they would Obama. Islamists did kill an Israeli minister once. They never killed a US cabinet member. So I would say there is more threat for Israelis. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/614 "2015-01-22T01:36:33Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > “Sending” - no. Plotting to kill him - I think there are a lot more than ones for Obama. I appreciate you struggle to understand what other people write, but could you try to at least comprehend your own claims: > [@Terr](#): > > I would guess that Netanyahu gets more death threats and is more of a target than Obama is. How the fucking fuck does he “get more death threats” if no-one sends them? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/615 "2015-01-22T01:41:31Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > I appreciate you struggle to understand what other people write, but could you try to at least comprehend your own claims: > > How the fucking fuck does he “get more death threats” if no-one sends them? If you think that every “death threat” is nicely written out and mailed to the target, you’re dumber than I thought. And that is saying a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/616 "2015-01-22T01:48:04Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > If you think that every “death threat” is nicely written out and mailed to the target, you’re dumber than I thought. And that is saying a lot. In other words, you agree he does not get more death threats. Either that or you acknowledge you are confused over what the word “get” means, and should not have used it without adult assistance. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/617 "2015-01-22T01:54:03Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > In other words, you agree he does not get more death threats. Yes, he does. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/618 "2015-01-22T01:56:40Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Yes, he does. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/619 "2015-01-22T01:57:30Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > Cite? None. It’s a guess. Is yours a guess as well? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/620 "2015-01-22T02:00:49Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > None. It’s a guess. Is yours a guess as well? I just gave you a link for death threats received by Obama. All you need to do now is provide one for the threats Netanyahu receives, or at least some sort of convincing logic for how he’s going to get more than 1200 threats a year. Or, you know, acknowledge that “get” is a bit of a tricky word for you, and you really meant something else. Your pick. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597.md?page=32)