# Where was Barack Obama, to stand for Democracy? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 12, 2015, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597 "2015-01-12T03:49:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/101 "2015-01-12T18:41:02Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > [http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/01/media-slam-obamas-paris-snub-200928.html](http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/01/media-slam-obamas-paris-snub-200928.html) > > chief foreign affairs correspondent Andrea Mitchell called the snub “stunning,” > Is Andrea Mitchell “domestic partisan”? > > Jake Tapper said he was “ashamed by U.S. leaders’ absence in Paris.” > Is Jake Tapper “domestic partisan”? > > Media figures like Mitchell and Tapper joined a chorus of frustrated current and former U.S. officials, including Aaron David Miller, who served in the State Department under both Republican and Democratic administrations. > > “It’s stunning, truly stunning,” Miller told Dovere. “It’s a poster child for tone deafness.” > Is Miller “domestic partisan”? I don’t know if they’re partisans, but their criticism is idiotic. Sometimes the President can’t hop on a plane on short notice. He sent the ambassador – a perfectly appropriate official to send. And the French are fine with it. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/102 "2015-01-12T18:41:09Z")
The derp is strong in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/103 "2015-01-12T18:44:39Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > Heads of state from all the largest democracies of the world, including Britain, Germany, France, and Israel–our closest allies–stood together in a gesture of solidarity and camaraderie in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo attacks. > > And, yet, conspicuously absent was the leader of the country that prides itself as the “leader of the free world.” If he had gone, you’d be screaming about the waste of time and tax dollars. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/104 "2015-01-12T18:44:41Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Aw man, now you’re going to make **Clothahump** have to look up “soi-disant”. That’s just mean. “Prolly some kinda liberal hippie ice cream,” he was heard to mutter. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/105 "2015-01-12T18:44:52Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I don’t know if they’re partisans, but their criticism is idiotic. Of course. They are idiots. You’re the smart one. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/106 "2015-01-12T18:45:18Z")
I do not know these people but my comment was about the comment **s here,** which I think was clear. It was not about whatever idiocies the partisan politics in the usa have created out of your extreme self centeredness. It is a scandale only for you extreme partisans and for the self centered americans. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/107 "2015-01-12T18:47:40Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I don’t know if they’re partisans, but their criticism is idiotic. The point is not so much Andrea Mitchell, but NBC (the network on which she said this). I know there is knee-jerk reaction on this MB to think that FoxNews is always and everywhere a partisan machine, but when the other networks are doing the same thing, I think that argument falls short. Frankly, I’m surprise to hear her say such thing, as she is generally a well respected reporter (even if she IS married to Allan Greenspan 🙂 ) ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/108 "2015-01-12T18:53:15Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Frankly, I’m surprise to hear her say such thing, as she is generally a well respected reporter (even if she IS married to Allan Greenspan 🙂 ) It couldn’t possibly be that you and **iiiandiiii** are wrong, could it? No, it must be Andrea Mitchell that is wrong, even though it is a “surprise”. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/109 "2015-01-12T18:56:38Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Of course. They are idiots. You’re the smart one. No, they said something idiotic. I do that sometimes too. You probably do too, though I don’t know if you’ll admit it. Saying something idiotic doesn’t make one necessarily an idiot. > [@Terr](#): > > It couldn’t possibly be that you and **iiiandiiii** are wrong, could it? No, it must be Andrea Mitchell that is wrong, even though it is a “surprise”. I certainly could be wrong, but I think she is, and I think her criticism is idiotic. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/110 "2015-01-12T18:58:04Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > It couldn’t possibly be that you and **iiiandiiii** are wrong, could it? No, it must be Andrea Mitchell that is wrong, even though it is a “surprise”. When the French and the europeans start complaining then there is a snub, but if there is not such, then it is not. it is quite simple, I think the sdmb term is the Offenderati always seeking offense. But I do not believe any of this is honest, it is your stupid american politics that is making yourselves more important than the actual event, which is itself disgusting. Not that you would have any sense of shame. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/111 "2015-01-12T18:58:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No, they said something idiotic. I do that sometimes too. You just did. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/112 "2015-01-12T19:02:01Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > Geez, how is this hard to understand? Remember when that republican said “We have to stop being the party of stupid!”, well I’m pretty sure this is the kind of blatantly ridiculous nonsense he was talking about. Who was it who said “you will never go broke underestimating the stupidity of American consumers?” Republicans have cornered the stupid market for their voters and Fox News audience and seem to be doing pretty well selling lies and impoverishment to their followers among the 99% ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/113 "2015-01-12T19:04:01Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > It couldn’t possibly be that you and **iiiandiiii** are wrong, could it? No, it must be Andrea Mitchell that is wrong, even though it is a “surprise”. So is Francois Hollande wrong, too? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/114 "2015-01-12T19:05:25Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > You just did. Burn!!! Score to you, **Terr** , who I consider one of my very closest and most intimate Doper friends. I love your sense of humor. I love it so much I want to kiss it. Let me kiss your beautiful sense of humor, my loving friend. Please. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/115 "2015-01-12T19:06:56Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > So is Francois Hollande wrong, too? Francois Hollande is diplomatic. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/116 "2015-01-12T19:08:14Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > So is Francois Hollande wrong, too? Well, he is _French_, you know… ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/117 "2015-01-12T19:09:08Z")
So, pretty much listening to RW media makes you into a delusional moron. Just because some twat in a suit on the teevee says something is outrageous, doesn’t make it so. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/118 "2015-01-12T19:10:20Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > It couldn’t possibly be that you and **iiiandiiii** are wrong, could it? No, it must be Andrea Mitchell that is wrong, even though it is a “surprise”. It’s more of an opinion than a fact, so I’m not sure anyone is “wrong”. I’m surprised that here opinion is different from mine on this matter. It seems of little import. Terrorism happens. I don’t expect Obama to jump on a plane and go wherever the latest incident is, wherever in the world it is. There were more people killed in Nigeria recently than in Paris. Why aren’t all those European leaders rushing off to Nigeria to show solidarity? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/119 "2015-01-12T19:11:43Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I love your sense of humor. I love it so much I want to kiss it. Let me kiss your beautiful sense of humor, my loving friend. Please. Prepare for disappointment when he whips it out. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2015, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-was-barack-obama-to-stand-for-democracy/709597/120 "2015-01-12T19:12:59Z")
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