# Where would the gay movement / gay rights be in the U.S. in 2012 if HIV/AIDS didn't exist?

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**Category:** In My Humble Opinion\
**Created:** [April 7, 2012, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-would-the-gay-movement-gay-rights-be-in-the-u-s-in-2012-if-hiv-aids-didnt-exist/618047 "2012-04-07T01:45:02Z")\
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**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\
**Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-would-the-gay-movement-gay-rights-be-in-the-u-s-in-2012-if-hiv-aids-didnt-exist/618047/1 "2012-04-07T01:45:02Z")

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The title says it all. I’m interested in your opinions. I’ve no agenda. Thanks.

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**Author:** ![elbravoiv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@elbravoiv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbravoiv)\
**Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-would-the-gay-movement-gay-rights-be-in-the-u-s-in-2012-if-hiv-aids-didnt-exist/618047/2 "2012-04-07T02:56:58Z")

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i think that there would be arguments going either way - aids brought more light to the movement, yet the movement was associated with the spread of aids, think they prob neg each other out… in short, exactly where it is today