# Wherefore this ridiculous idea that Hillary "lost"?

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**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [April 24, 2008, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherefore-this-ridiculous-idea-that-hillary-lost/446712 "2008-04-24T17:30:57Z")\
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**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2008, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherefore-this-ridiculous-idea-that-hillary-lost/446712/61 "2008-04-26T02:21:43Z")

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And in other news, [a major Clinton fundraiser has defected to Obama.](http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/25/major-clinton-fundraiser-switches-to-obama)

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> Gabriel Guerra-Mondragon – who served as ambassador to Chile during the Clinton administration – had raised close to half a million dollars for Clinton’s campaign, reports Chuck Todd, who broke the story.
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> “We’re just bleeding each other out,” Guerra-Mondragon told the Washington Post. “Looking at it as coldly as I can, I just don’t see how Senator Clinton can overcome Senator Obama with delegates and popular votes. I want this fight to be over, the quicker the better.”

Modragon is a major political figure in Puerto Rico, by the way.

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**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherefore-this-ridiculous-idea-that-hillary-lost/446712/62 "2008-04-28T18:12:01Z")

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[QUOTE=artemis]  
Where I come from, dropping from a 20% lead a month ago to a 9.4% lead on election day is hardly ‘speeding up’. ‘Fading’ would be a more accurate description of such a performance.  
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The 20% is an exaggeration. The average of PA polls taken at least a month before the PA primary, but after TX/OH, gave Hillary a lead of more like 15-16%. So Obama reduced that somewhat, but he was up against a tough demographic.

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**Author:** ![JohnnieEnigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dfb087/32.png) [@JohnnieEnigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnnieEnigma)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherefore-this-ridiculous-idea-that-hillary-lost/446712/63 "2008-04-28T18:48:28Z")

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I said she lost. I’m basing it on the numbers … and maybe too much influence from Dick Morris?

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