# Wherein Der Trihs says the killed US Marines are an unworthy "bunch of thugs" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 4, 2005, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026 "2005-12-04T12:57:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2005, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/1 "2005-12-04T12:57:35Z")
[Why “bless” a bunch of thugs ?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6860289&postcount=23) - and, if one should judge by how his remark passed by with only Lucretia calling him on it - while dandrews02’s remark that the marines died defending the US received no end of grief, then Der Trihs at least appeared to receive tacit approval by more than a few SDMB posters. Apparently saying the marines died for a noble cause is outrageous and beyond the pale, while saying the dead marines were a contemptible bunch of thugs is just a-ok. Not SDMB’s finest hour. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2005, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/2 "2005-12-04T13:43:48Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > [Why “bless” a bunch of thugs ?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6860289&postcount=23) - and, if one should judge by how his remark passed by with only Lucretia calling him on it - while dandrews02’s remark that the marines died defending the US received no end of grief, then Der Trihs at least appeared to receive tacit approval by more than a few SDMB posters. Apparently saying the marines died for a noble cause is outrageous and beyond the pale, while saying the dead marines were a contemptible bunch of thugs is just a-ok. > > Not SDMB’s finest hour. If you wear two condoms, I hear you won’t go off so fast. Noted conservative **Diogenes** said: > [@](#): > > I believe that only one person in this thread has directed any hostility towards the troops themselves. Implicit in THAT statement is that **Diogenes** disagrees with the statement. **Magiver** also called him on it: > [@](#): > > If you don’t think we have a vested interest in removing Saddam or providing for the citizens who support that effort that’s certainly within your right to say so. But to denigrate the troops who are over there (and know what’s going) on is a cold thing to do. **AR Cane** also called him on it: > [@](#): > > If you believe that this war is wrong, and I agree that it is, then speak forcefully to > your elected representatives and make your point at the voting booth, but DO NOT put > the blame on the men and women who are going in harm’s way! **RickJay** called him on his statements in general: > [@](#): > > Uh, no. Sorry, but you’re no more blameless than your Republican compatriots. It’s your political system and you pay the taxes that support it; you don’t get absolution unless you pack up and leave the country. > > If you want to spread the shit, pal, you’ve got to smear a little on yourself. It’s not your finest hour, that’s for sure; but people in the thread seemed pretty eager to distance themselves from **Der Trihs**. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2005, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/3 "2005-12-04T13:44:49Z")
So we have to comment on every word ever typed here or be assumed to support it? That’s utter horseshit. ---
**Author:** ![George\_Kaplin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3e96dc/32.png) [@George\_Kaplin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/George_Kaplin)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2005, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/4 "2005-12-04T13:48:21Z")
**Rune** : By my count, _ **five** _ people called **Der Trihs** on his statement; **Lucretia, Diogenes, A.R. Cane, Magiver,** and **RickJay**. By contrast, only **three** people disagreed with **dandrews02’s** remark; **Der Trihs, TV Time,** and **Lamar Mundane** and only **Der Trihs** was nasty about it. Apologies if I miscounted or misinterpreted what anyone said but you’ve got your numbers ass-backwards, **Rune**. ---
**Author:** ![Exploding\_Kitchen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Exploding\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exploding_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2005, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/5 "2005-12-04T21:01:28Z")
Shhh…don’t feed the Republican persecution complex. ---
**Author:** ![JonScribe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3be4f8/32.png) [@JonScribe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JonScribe)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2005, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/6 "2005-12-04T21:06:03Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > If you wear two condoms, I hear you won’t go off so fast. … Yeah, but I’ve had difficulty keeping them on my fingers when I’m typing. ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2005, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/7 "2005-12-04T21:38:58Z")
Nevertheless, it’s really about time Der Trihs got pitted for his asinine statements about US uniformed personnel. At one point in one thread or other, he says he would rather not breathe the same air as our returning veterans, and I’d like to invite him to live up to the spirit of that statement by not posting on the same bulletin board that many active duty soldiers and veterans post on. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2005, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/8 "2005-12-04T22:11:55Z")
> [@bluethree](#): > > Nevertheless, it’s really about time Der Trihs got pitted for his asinine statements about US uniformed personnel. > > At one point in one thread or other, he says he would rather not breathe the same air as our returning veterans, and I’d like to invite him to live up to the spirit of that statement by not posting on the same bulletin board that many active duty soldiers and veterans post on. Agreed on that one. **Der Trihs** obviously has a very hard time separating the soldiers from the Brass (and from the uber-Brass civilian warmongers). I sometimes really do wish he’d just shut up or at least not post on military topics…he’s not helping… ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2005, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/9 "2005-12-04T22:56:00Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > **Der Trihs** obviously has a very hard time separating the soldiers from the Brass (and from the uber-Brass civilian warmongers). No, I simply don’t care. If you give orders to kill or kill with your own hands, you are still killing. If the killing is unjustified, it’s still just as bad. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2005, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/10 "2005-12-04T23:13:20Z")
> [@Der Trihs](#): > > \ If you give orders to kill or kill with your own hands, you are still killing. If the killing is unjustified, it’s still just as bad. I would have to agre with you on the above, but I think your hatred of said soliders is unjustified, because you can’t tell which soldiers killed in self-defense (Which I call A-Ok) and which killed without justification. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2005, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/11 "2005-12-04T23:17:13Z")
> [@bluethree](#): > > Nevertheless, it’s really about time Der Trihs got pitted for his asinine statements about US uniformed personnel. > > At one point in one thread or other, he says he would rather not breathe the same air as our returning veterans, and I’d like to invite him to live up to the spirit of that statement by not posting on the same bulletin board that many active duty soldiers and veterans post on. That was in [this thread,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=344397) in which he shared these “enlightened” thoughts: > [@](#): > > No we don’t. They are fighting for an evil cause, and deserve no sympathy or support. > [@](#): > > If the are over there killing Iraqis, I really don’t care if they oppose the war. I’d put a bullet in my own head before I murdered someone for Bush, and that’s what they are doing. > [@](#): > > That sounds remarkably like “terrorist is what the big army calls the little army”. We kill innocents, it’s not our fault; they kill innocents, and they’re murderous bastards. > > If the war is unjustified, then all killings commited in that war are murder, whether or not you wear a uniform. > [@](#): > > The conquerers are not the victims. Any pain and death Americans feel in this affair are self inflicted. > [@](#): > > Now try to imagine how the Iraqis feel, being raped and tortured and killed by invaders. > [@](#): > > A more accurate version would involve the bigger crowd waving weapons, they’ve just murdered your father, and some in the background are raping your 12 year old sister. > [@](#): > > Since the whole war is unnecessary, it’s sick to just shrug off the innocents killed like you are. It’s no different than breaking into someone’s house for a little rape and robbery, then killing someone who trys to fight back and saying “too bad”. > [@](#): > > The families [of the soldiers] are in the same position as the families of any other murderer; they may or may not share blame, but either way that doesn’t let the murderer off the hook. > [@](#): > > [Refering to the risks U.S. soldiers face.] Really. You mean “risks” like killing any within a hundred feet, killing people who are just getting out of cars, torturing people and raping children ? Those kinds of “risks” ? > > I see no evidence that American soldiers even regard Iraqis as human, much less worry about killing them. > [@](#): > > Why not be defeatist when we deserve to be defeated ? Is it “treasonous and un American” to oppose America when it does wrong ? In that case, I’m “treasonous and un American” and proud of it. > [@](#): > > No, it requires radical rewriting of history to make this [war] noble. Given that is was obvious to most of the world, we owe them [our soldiers] no “benefit of the doubt” at all. > [@](#): > > Service in an evil cause is not noble, and the only “ideal” they are serving is the power madness of the neo-cons. > [@](#): > > I wouldn’t want to breath the same air [as our returning soldiers] , much less touch them. > [@](#): > > So that they can brutalize and kill more innocent people. > [@](#): > > [Refering to the our soldiers’ sacrifice to the country] No, it is evil. If I believed in souls and Hell, I’d say that was were they’d be going. I’m sure there is more blame America idiocy in other threads, but that shithead has already taken up too much of my time. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2005, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/12 "2005-12-05T00:30:42Z")
I wonder if he spat on returning vets from 'Nam back in the seventies. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2005, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/13 "2005-12-05T00:37:18Z")
> [@Der Trihs](#): > > If the killing is unjustified, it’s still just as bad. What do you think you mean by this? Justified killings, say in self defense, is wrong? Please let us know who your travel agent is. I’m taking a holiday soon and I don’t want to use your agent–I prefer one with destinations on Earth. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2005, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/14 "2005-12-05T00:38:20Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I wonder if he spat on returning vets from 'Nam back in the seventies. Wouldn’t it be hard to tell the difference between that and the mindless drooling? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2005, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/15 "2005-12-05T00:41:01Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I wonder if he spat on returning vets from 'Nam back in the seventies. First, since I was born in 1968, I didn’t even _know_ there was a war on, much less have an opinion. Second, I don’t spit on people, especially those I consider to be brutal and amoral. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2005, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/16 "2005-12-05T01:30:47Z")
> [@Der Trihs](#): > > I don’t spit on people, especially those I consider to be brutal and amoral. You spit on your friends, then? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2005, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/17 "2005-12-05T01:40:42Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You spit on your friends, then? 😕 :rolleyes: Ahem : > [@Der Trihs](#): > > I don’t spit on people It’s right in what you quoted. ---
**Author:** ![rayh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@rayh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rayh)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2005, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/18 "2005-12-05T01:45:55Z")
> [@Der Trihs](#): > > :rolleyes: Ahem : > > It’s right in what you quoted. Get whooshed much? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2005, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/19 "2005-12-05T01:50:49Z")
> [@Der Trihs](#): > > It’s right in what you quoted. I should’ve said it differently, but yes, I was kidding. You made it sound like you’re more likely to spit on good people. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2005, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/20 "2005-12-05T01:51:46Z")
> [@Der Trihs](#): > > First, since I was born in 1968, I didn’t even _know_ there was a war on, much less have an opinion. Second, I don’t spit on people, especially those I consider to be brutal and amoral. Did you just fucking say Viet Nam vets are brutal and amoral. Did you just fucking say that you worthless fucking cock-knobbin piece of fucking shit? Did you? Fuck you. You deserve the oxygen shared by veterens less than bin Laden. Fuck you. Fuck you in ways I’m not allowed to say. Fuck you. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026.md?page=2)