# Wherein Der Trihs says the killed US Marines are an unworthy "bunch of thugs" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 4, 2005, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026 "2005-12-04T12:57:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/201 "2005-12-08T05:42:33Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > _High-5_ I just _knew_ there could be some common ground between us. Even if you are always wrong. 😛🙂 I’m NOT always wrong - I like pugs (we need a pug icon thing). Plus we’re both pro-gun and hate militiant anti-smokers, even if we slam the shit out of each other on other subjects. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/202 "2005-12-08T05:44:23Z")
Um, may have seemed implied, but I wasn’t going for your race. Unless we count Asshole-Fucktwits as a race. In which case I’ll lead the campaign to have you certified as King. Or Queen. Or whatever the fuck you are. You’re tiresome and and apparently a deflector for the Shithead this is supposed to be about. Right Wingnut. My, you are original! :non-winking Wally ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/203 "2005-12-08T05:48:50Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I’m NOT always wrong - I like pugs (we need a pug icon thing). Plus we’re both pro-gun and hate militiant anti-smokers, even if we slam the shit out of each other on other subjects. In the previous post I noticed “asshole” in a reply to me. Haven’t read it yet, and I’m sure it’ll generate a response, but for this moment, I can’t think of anything wrong with ya. On second thought, maybe I’ll wait till tomorrow to read the post. Why ruin a good thing? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/204 "2005-12-08T05:56:08Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Um, may have seemed implied, but I wasn’t going for your race. Why bring up Apartheid and “People like you”, then? I read it as an implication that I was a White holdover. Like I read **monty** ’s first language remark as a racist thing too. I mean, I know I probably speak better English than him, I have that lovely BBC accent to prove it. > [@duffer](#): > > You’re tiresome and and apparently a deflector for the Shithead this is supposed to be about. Are you accusing me of something sock-puppety here? > [@duffer](#): > > Right Wingnut. My, you are original! Well, about as original as you and **monty** changing my username, with the added benefit of not breaking any rules. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/205 "2005-12-08T07:39:16Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Why bring up Apartheid and “People like you”, then? I read it as an implication that I was a White holdover. Like I read **monty** ’s first language remark as a racist thing too. I mean, I know I probably speak better English than him, I have that lovely BBC accent to prove it. Yes, I understand. You see (er, look for) racism in any critique. We see that. Stop hammering the point home. I’m starting to feel embarrassed for you. Let me clarify one more time, dumb-ass. When I said “People like you” I was referring to your dumb-assedness. Now read this carefully. Because I think the best way to make a point with your ilk is to make you go back and stick your nose in the pile of shit you left on the rug. I never mentioned race. You did. Usually a tactic used when an argument is lost in a way that even calling an opponent a nazi isn’t enough. I had no idea of your race until you brought it up. And even now all we know is you’re not a white _cough_ European _devil_. But now that you make a point of it, I guess we should all bow to your supreme intellect since there is no arguing with true reason. One more time. When I said ‘you people’, I meant dicks like you. I don’t give a shit what color your skin is. An asshole is an asshole. Asshole. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/206 "2005-12-08T07:52:54Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > When I said “People like you” I was referring to your dumb-assedness. Oh, I get this **now**. In the context of Apartheid, though, and coming from a person like you, I didn’t _then_. There, there, I don’t think you’re a racist. Is that better? > [@duffer](#): > > I never mentioned race. You did. Usually a tactic used when an argument is lost in a way that even calling an opponent a nazi isn’t enough. Right, “racist” and “Apartheid” have nothing to do with race, I just completely dragged the whole race thing out of thin air. Are you aware that other people can read your posts too? I might have jumped the gun a bit, but it’s a complete fucking fallacy to pretend I did it because I was “losing” - I did it because somehow Apartheid and the past here were dragged in as somehow relevant to America’s empire-building. Or to tick me off. Either way, I still don’t see _my arguments_ being attacked anymore. Guess I must be \*\*really \*\*losing. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/207 "2005-12-08T10:40:53Z")
Accusing me of being a racist is pretty entertaining, jackass. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/208 "2005-12-08T10:51:22Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Accusing me of being a racist is pretty entertaining, jackass. I call’m like I see’m. Or how the fuck else am I supposed to take shit like > [@](#): > > Out of idle curiosity, are you familiar at all with the English language? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/209 "2005-12-08T11:00:36Z")
Hmmm…perhaps as a question. Last I checked, people of many races speak English, and speak it natively. But I guess I should be happy that you just asininely called me a racist. After all, that’s nowhere near as bad as the crap you’re spouting about many other fine and decent people. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/210 "2005-12-08T11:10:07Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Hmmm…perhaps as a question. Sure, necessitated by the many times I’ve stumbled over my words and spelling, all the third-language phrasings I use and my complete lack of fluency. Or not. Grow some balls and admit it was a personal dig. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/211 "2005-12-08T11:15:09Z")
Look here, you disgusting sack of crap. It was a personal dig and it had nothing to do with whatever your race is. I find you to be dishonest, unethical, and just generally a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/212 "2005-12-08T11:29:39Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Look here, you disgusting sack of crap. It was a personal dig …and here I thought it was just a simple question, that you were genuinely puzzled. No, wait, I didn’t, 'cos yer a cunt and I could see you coming from a mile off… > [@Monty](#): > > and it had nothing to do with whatever your race is. There, there. I don’t think you are a racist anymore, either. Feel better? > [@Monty](#): > > I find you to be dishonest, unethical, and just generally a jerk. How am I dishonest? How am I unethical? If I’m a jerk, report me. Otherwise, shut the fuck up about me and argue my points, shit-for-brains. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/213 "2005-12-08T14:01:29Z")
Your postings in this thread and in your beloved Iraq thread more than indicate your dishonest use of the English language. Those same postings also indicate you’re a complete stranger to the concept of ethics. They also show you to be a penultimate jerk. Happy now? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/214 "2005-12-08T14:17:58Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > They also show you to be a penultimate jerk. And for the moment, you’re the penultimate poster! Will it last? Let’s watch! Just out of curiosity, who’s the last jerk, or is that TBD? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/215 "2005-12-08T14:23:22Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Your postings in this thread and in your beloved Iraq thread more than indicate your dishonest use of the English language. > > Those same postings also indicate you’re a complete stranger to the concept of ethics. > > They also show you to be a penultimate jerk. > > Happy now? Just repeating the accusations proves nothing. I think you’re the dishonest one - certainly, you never came back to finish off the argument in that thread, and you’re trying the same bullshit tactic here. If I’m a stranger to ethics, then my arguments should be trivial to pick apart. Yet all I’m hearing from you is “jackass”. I think you’re pissed because your favourite debate tactic doesn’t work on me. You don’t intimidate me, nor am I afraid of calling you a loudmouthed pussy. Again, if I’m a jerk, report me. And why “penultimate”? There, now I’m a little happier. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/216 "2005-12-08T14:23:55Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > That’s a lot more of a mouthful. Could we shorten it to “Maintain Imperial Outposts”? No, that would be a dishonest mischaracterization, and an abuse of the language. > [@Humpty Dumpty](#): > > When I use a word, it means exactly what I want - neither more or less. There’s glory for you. > [@](#): > > Other countries’ airstrips not good enough for you? You have no concept of strategic thought, do you? > [@](#): > > So, how many German airbases are there in New Mexico? Any Norwegian Army bases in Alaska? Also no idea what the NA stands for in NATO. OK, so you have no grasp of rational or strategic thought. Would you care to post something stupid about something else and go for a trifecta? > [@](#): > > No, you should nuke a country that tries to invade the US itself. Police actions like Serbia or GW1 should be handled by international groups, not at sole US discretion. He has achieved the trifecta. You think the bombing of Serbia or Gulf War I was solely at US discretion? At least we know you are not a troll - you really are this stupid. > [@](#): > > Once again: > “Let’s take his idea to ridiculous extremes, make fun of that, then pat ourselves on the back” No, I am taking your “idea” at face value. It’s just that it is exceptionally stupid on its own. Here’s hoping all the enemies of the US military are as dull-witted as you. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/217 "2005-12-08T14:31:52Z")
Shodan: Excellent post! MrDibble: Peruse Shodan’s posting above. Key on the word _dishonest_ and the expression _abuse of the language_. Your arguments _are_ trivial to pick apart. That began with someone (who was that, btw?) pointing out your dishonest use of the word _mercenary_. You launched into (or perhaps continued) the Humpty Dumpty act there and are now presenting us with an encore of that act in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/218 "2005-12-08T14:34:07Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Here’s hoping all the enemies of the US military are as dull-witted as you. Gosh, let’s hope not: if the enemies of the US are dull-witted, and they’re still managing to fight the war to a standstill despite their overwhelming technological inferiority, then the US military must be run by exceptionally slow eggplants. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/219 "2005-12-08T14:34:54Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, that would be a dishonest mischaracterization, and an abuse of the language. How so? Are you saying American Imperialism is a myth? > [@Shodan](#): > > You have no concept of strategic thought, do you? NO, that’s not it. I just think some things trump military arguments. But that’s 'cos my head isn’t up the military’s backside. > [@Shodan](#): > > Also no idea what the NA stands for in NATO. North Atlantic, what’s your point? Mine was, you have bases in other NATO countries, do any have bases in yours? > [@Shodan](#): > > OK, so you have no grasp of rational or strategic thought. Would you care to post something stupid about something else and go for a trifecta? > He has achieved the trifecta. You think the bombing of Serbia or Gulf War I was solely at US discretion? No, I don’t. I just said that **all** such actions _should_ be. I can understand if that sentence was hard for you to parse. I’ll break it down for you: The “like Serbia and GWI” qualifies the expression “police actions”, not the subsequent “not at sole US discretion” phrase. There, see, English is not so hard. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026/220 "2005-12-08T14:36:31Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > No, I don’t. I just said that **all** such actions _should_ be. Done under international groups, I meant to say. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-der-trihs-says-the-killed-us-marines-are-an-unworthy-bunch-of-thugs/334026.md?page=12)