# Wherein Scylla admonishes the left wing for casting Plame upon Rove **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 30, 2006, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-scylla-admonishes-the-left-wing-for-casting-plame-upon-rove/370737 "2006-08-30T01:20:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-scylla-admonishes-the-left-wing-for-casting-plame-upon-rove/370737/21 "2006-08-30T02:34:36Z")
Domestic comedy is clearly his strong suit. I’ve been encouraging him for years to give it his exclusive attention. Alas! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-scylla-admonishes-the-left-wing-for-casting-plame-upon-rove/370737/22 "2006-08-30T02:34:47Z")
[QUOTE=Hamlet] I was hoping **Scylla** would explain how someone else in the administration leaking information too makes this administration any less blameworthy, allows Libby to lie, or excuses other people leaking. [/QUOTE] Shouldn’t be too hard - that’s the same rationale (and from the same people) that says CBS using forged documents in a story about Bush’s desertion means he wasn’t a deserter. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-scylla-admonishes-the-left-wing-for-casting-plame-upon-rove/370737/23 "2006-08-30T02:45:31Z")
I’m more freaked about the cow-hatch. Where’s the flyer for the organic store? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-scylla-admonishes-the-left-wing-for-casting-plame-upon-rove/370737/24 "2006-08-30T02:55:07Z")
[QUOTE=Hamlet] Can I too share a quick story; it won’t be nearly as allegorical or interesting. I was in the car on the way to pick up the girls and I turned on the radio, which was on a talk radio station. And there was Rush Limbaugh, saying that because Armitage may have been one of the leakers, it meant that … well, something about how it means Liberals are evil. Right then and there, I knew **Scylla** would be all over this, and darn if I wasn’t right. But I was hoping **Scylla** would explain how someone else in the administration leaking information too makes this administration any less blameworthy, allows Libby to lie, or excuses other people leaking. Maybe he could do it with a camel or wildebeast analogy too. [/QUOTE] I think it just means that – if true – it WASN’T Rove, contrary to the many accusations made against him. It doesn’t affect Libby’s lies, other leaks, and all the other stuff you said. But it does mean that all those who directly, and by thinly-veiled innuendo, accused Rove are wrong, and presumably owe an apology. > [@Mark Twain](#): > > He tried to steal sugar under his aunt’s very nose, and got his knuckles rapped for it. He said: > > “Aunt, you don’t whack Sid when he takes it.” > > “Well, Sid don’t torment a body the way you do. You’d be always into that sugar if I warn’t watching you.” > > Presently she stepped into the kitchen, and Sid, happy in his immunity, reached for the sugar-bowl—a sort of glorying over Tom which was wellnigh unbearable. But Sid’s fingers slipped and the bowl dropped and broke. Tom was in ecstasies. In such ecstasies that he even controlled his tongue and was silent. He said to himself that he would not speak a word, even when his aunt came in, but would sit perfectly still till she asked who did the mischief; and then he would tell, and there would be nothing so good in the world as to see that pet model “catch it.” He was so brimful of exultation that he could hardly hold himself when the old lady came back and stood above the wreck discharging lightnings of wrath from over her spectacles. He said to himself, “Now it’s coming!” And the next instant he was sprawling on the floor! The potent palm was uplifted to strike again when Tom cried out: > > “Hold on, now, what 'er you belting ME for?—Sid broke it!” > > Aunt Polly paused, perplexed, and Tom looked for healing pity. But when she got her tongue again, she only said: > > “Umf! Well, you didn’t get a lick amiss, I reckon. You been into some other audacious mischief when I wasn’t around, like enough.” I suspect the general reaction around here from the Rove haters will be Aunt Polly’s – no apology needed; Rove’s been up to so much other EVIL that it hardly matters if this one instance was a false accusation. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-scylla-admonishes-the-left-wing-for-casting-plame-upon-rove/370737/25 "2006-08-30T03:02:24Z")
[QUOTE=Bricker] I think it just means that – if true – it WASN’T Rove, contrary to the many accusations made against him. It doesn’t affect Libby’s lies, other leaks, and all the other stuff you said. But it does mean that all those who directly, and by thinly-veiled innuendo, accused Rove are wrong, and presumably owe an apology. [/QUOTE] What’s your take on the quote Orbifold and Harborwolf posted, then? They would seem to indicate that Rove did indeed leak information. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-scylla-admonishes-the-left-wing-for-casting-plame-upon-rove/370737/26 "2006-08-30T03:03:49Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Domestic comedy is clearly his strong suit. I’ve been encouraging him for years to give it his exclusive attention. Alas! [/QUOTE] I’m pretty sure, after having read some of his posts, that you should have put “comedy” in quotation marks. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-scylla-admonishes-the-left-wing-for-casting-plame-upon-rove/370737/27 "2006-08-30T03:05:44Z")
[QUOTE=Bricker] I think it just means that – if true – it WASN’T Rove, contrary to the many accusations made against him. It doesn’t affect Libby’s lies, other leaks, and all the other stuff you said. But it does mean that all those who directly, and by thinly-veiled innuendo, accused Rove are wrong, and presumably owe an apology. [/QUOTE] I’m not certain that Rove did it or didn’t do it, but I don’t see how Armitages statements absolve Rove of anything. If there was conclusive proof that Rove didn’t do it, then I can see where apologies would be justified. This isn’t it though. This is just another person who can’t keep his piehole closed. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-scylla-admonishes-the-left-wing-for-casting-plame-upon-rove/370737/28 "2006-08-30T03:05:50Z")
**Bricker** : Using the words of The Master on behalf of the Forces of Darkness is blasphemy. Repent! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-scylla-admonishes-the-left-wing-for-casting-plame-upon-rove/370737/29 "2006-08-30T03:09:12Z")
[QUOTE=woodstockbirdybird] I’m pretty sure, after having read some of his posts, that you should have put “comedy” in quotation marks. [/QUOTE] When, oh, _when_ will you cease to misrepresent and mischaracterize my posts? _Don’t cry for me, Argentinaaaaaaaa…_ ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-scylla-admonishes-the-left-wing-for-casting-plame-upon-rove/370737/30 "2006-08-30T03:39:21Z")
[QUOTE=Harborwolf] I’m not certain that Rove did it or didn’t do it, but I don’t see how Armitages statements absolve Rove of anything. If there was conclusive proof that Rove didn’t do it, then I can see where apologies would be justified. This isn’t it though. This is just another person who can’t keep his piehole closed. [/QUOTE] No it doesn’t, but don’t you thnk it casts doubt on the hypothesis that there was some vast WH conspiracy to out Plame? There were multiple sources for the info that got into the press, but it all started with Armitage. From what I’ve heard from those “in the know”, Armitage was a foot dragger on the Iraq war and not sympathetic towards Bush’s policies. Maybe there was a WH conspiracy in parallel with what Armitage did, but that seems like a bit of a coincidence. Also, does this mean that Armitage is the infamous “official A” that we heard about when the Libby’s indictment was handed down? Seems like most people were sure it was Rove. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-scylla-admonishes-the-left-wing-for-casting-plame-upon-rove/370737/31 "2006-08-30T03:41:25Z")
When are you all going to start screaming that Armitage is guilty of TREASON! and should be strung up? Oh wait. Armitage was against the Iraq war. So what he did must not have been treason then. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-scylla-admonishes-the-left-wing-for-casting-plame-upon-rove/370737/32 "2006-08-30T03:42:41Z")
May I suggest one irony, one that’s appeared in the Ramsey thread as well? If you want to accuse people of being too quick to accuse others when they don’t have all the facts, it might, y’know, be a good idea to wait until you have all the facts. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-scylla-admonishes-the-left-wing-for-casting-plame-upon-rove/370737/33 "2006-08-30T04:26:27Z")
It’ helps to read the whole cite. Take it from a guy who almost never does! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-scylla-admonishes-the-left-wing-for-casting-plame-upon-rove/370737/34 "2006-08-30T04:32:55Z")
[QUOTE=Lemur866] …Armitage was against the Iraq war. So what he did must not have been treason then… [/QUOTE] No, just means he was right. How about you, were you right? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-scylla-admonishes-the-left-wing-for-casting-plame-upon-rove/370737/35 "2006-08-30T04:41:27Z")
First off, let me be among the first to say that Armitage should be held to the same standard as any other person who reveals classified information and should be facing criminal charges if these accusations are true. Second, I’d like an explanation of why Powell, Taft, and Gonzales were apparently aware of this act and chose not to follow up on it. Third, this hardly closes the book on what happened. The same cite that some people are leaping on so joyfully also clearly states that others, including Libby and Rove, revealed the same classified information as Armitage did. Armitage’s guilt does not exonerate anyone else who committed the same crime. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-scylla-admonishes-the-left-wing-for-casting-plame-upon-rove/370737/36 "2006-08-30T04:44:00Z")
What \*\*Little Nemo \*\* said. Curse your eloquence. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-scylla-admonishes-the-left-wing-for-casting-plame-upon-rove/370737/37 "2006-08-30T04:53:10Z")
Not to forget that the action Mr. Wilson was being punished for was telling the truth. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-scylla-admonishes-the-left-wing-for-casting-plame-upon-rove/370737/38 "2006-08-30T04:56:58Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Not to forget that the action Mr. Wilson was being punished for was telling the truth. [/QUOTE] Not to forget that it’s unclear Wilson was “being punished”. That’s the conspiracy theory. Are we to believe that Armitage, who started the ball in motion, was in on this conspiracy? ---
**Author:** ![Orbifold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orbifold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orbifold)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-scylla-admonishes-the-left-wing-for-casting-plame-upon-rove/370737/39 "2006-08-30T05:11:45Z")
[QUOTE=Lemur866] When are you all going to start screaming that Armitage is guilty of TREASON! and should be strung up? Oh wait. Armitage was against the Iraq war. So what he did must not have been treason then. Sorry. [/QUOTE] You’re trying to charge the _anti-war_ crowd with being too fast and loose with the word “treason”? Yeah, [that’ll work](http://www.amazon.com/Treason-Liberal-Treachery/dp/1400050308/sr=8-1/qid=1156914568/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-3289881-0312802?ie=UTF8). I will say one thing about Armitage: judging from the Newsweek articles, at least he seemed to know he’d done something wrong. ---
**Author:** ![threemae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f9b8f/32.png) [@threemae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threemae)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2006, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-scylla-admonishes-the-left-wing-for-casting-plame-upon-rove/370737/40 "2006-08-30T05:20:41Z")
[QUOTE=Lemur866] When are you all going to start screaming that Armitage is guilty of TREASON! and should be strung up? Oh wait. Armitage was against the Iraq war. So what he did must not have been treason then. Sorry. [/QUOTE] I’ll say it. I don’t care what side of the Iraq war he was on. He was loose with the names of covert operatives. Even if it isn’t exaclty “treason” I’m confident that some sort of criminal charge can be leveled against this douchnozzle. Doubly so for allowing this to go on for the past three years. If he was the leak source and did so accidentally, why did he sit there and allow his superiors to be tarred when he could have taken responsiblity without further damaging national security? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-scylla-admonishes-the-left-wing-for-casting-plame-upon-rove/370737.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wherein-scylla-admonishes-the-left-wing-for-casting-plame-upon-rove/370737.md?page=3)