# Where's the knoll? (no, not in Dallas)

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**Category:** Factual Questions\
**Created:** [September 6, 2016, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wheres-the-knoll-no-not-in-dallas/765233 "2016-09-06T22:14:35Z")\
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**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wheres-the-knoll-no-not-in-dallas/765233/21 "2016-09-10T14:15:12Z")

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Oh, there’s hills right near there … if they had built the trading post up on one of the slopes it wouldn’t have been washed away during a flood. The down side is that they would have had to build an elevated roadbed between the post and the river … this area is impassable overland during winter. That’s why the trading post was built next to the river.

It’s rains there, and it rains a lot … during wet winters the Willamette Valley is one giant swamp … a wagon will sink up to it’s axles.

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**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wheres-the-knoll-no-not-in-dallas/765233/22 "2016-09-10T16:17:13Z")

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> [@bob\_2](#):
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> It’s a shame you guys don’t have the Ordnance Survey. Even a 1" map would probably have enough contour lines to show a knoll.  
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Much more than you probably want to know about the US equivalent to Britain’s OS maps: [http://nationalmap.gov/ustopo/index.html](http://nationalmap.gov/ustopo/index.html)

They have 10 foot elevation contours for the entire country at pretty small scale.

Here is a link to download the (35MB!) pdf map for the area near the OP’s knoll: [https://prd-tnm.s3.amazonaws.com/StagedProducts/Maps/USTopo/1/19654/6803032.pdf](https://prd-tnm.s3.amazonaws.com/StagedProducts/Maps/USTopo/1/19654/6803032.pdf)

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**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\
**Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wheres-the-knoll-no-not-in-dallas/765233/23 "2016-09-10T16:24:20Z")

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Late add: USGS also has historical topo maps going back to the 1880s in some areas. The OP might be interested to look for his knoll on the oldest maps available for that area.

See [Historical Topographic Maps - Preserving the Past | U.S. Geological Survey](http://nationalmap.gov/historical/index.html)

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