# Which 2020 Democrat CAN defeat Trump? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 19, 2018, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-2020-democrat-can-defeat-trump/818218 "2018-07-19T18:35:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-2020-democrat-can-defeat-trump/818218/241 "2018-07-25T17:35:52Z")
> [@pjacks](#): > > Trump apparently fears going up against Biden the most: [https://www.axios.com/scoop-trump-fears-biden-losing-pennsylvania-1532514558-e1bf871b-5edb-44e8-baa4-5506e99550fb.html](https://www.axios.com/scoop-trump-fears-biden-losing-pennsylvania-1532514558-e1bf871b-5edb-44e8-baa4-5506e99550fb.html) > > My own view is that the Dems should just write 2020 off. Run a good left-wing candidate, but focus more energy on downballet races. We are due for another recession soon, and if it doesn’t come before 2020, whoever is president after that will almost certainly be in office during a recession and then blamed for it. At that point, any Republican can run and win in 2024, not to mention there’d be yet another new red wave of lunatics in the midterms. Trump might even run for a non-consecutive 2nd term “Writing 2020 off” would mean a good chance Ginsburg and perhaps Breyer get replaced by Trump nominees. Right now the two are likely to outlast Trump’s first term. Whether they could hang on yet an additional 4 years beyond that is truly doubtful. As for Trump running for office a 2nd nonconsecutive term ala Grover Cleveland, he’d be 79 by 2025 and 82 by 2028; doubtful too. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-2020-democrat-can-defeat-trump/818218/242 "2018-07-25T17:36:53Z")
I don’t think taking advice from Trump fans is a very good idea. So let’s not, shall we? > [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Biden will be 76 years old this November, meaning if elected President, he’ll be 78. This is very old. Too old to guarantee a 4 year term, and probably too old to get re-elected at age 82, and sworn in again at 83. As I said. Good VP choice is all that matters here. > [@](#): > > Biden has always been gaffe prone. That is only going to get worse with age. LOL. Yeah. Trump makes a potentially national-crisis-inducing gaffe EVERY WEEK–and usually more than once. Rage tweets? “Would/wouldn’t”? “Maybe the hacks were some fat guy on a bed”? Spare me the faux concern. > [@](#): > > He also carries much of Obama’s baggage, which was an easy target for Trump. BWAH HA HA HA HA. Most of American prefers Obama to Trump, so yep, thank goodness Biden carries that same reputation. > [@](#): > > Joe said he didn’t have the steam to run in 2016. Um, you may not have heard this, but _his son had just fucking died._ Of course he didn’t have the steam. > [@](#): > > But I tend to think he’s the best the Dem’s have ( for now ) and could flip a state like PA, but that would not be enough by itself electorally speaking to win the presidency. Sanders is also the same age. Old. I call the pair Statler and Waldorf. Yes. We know. You did it in at least one previous post. It’s as stupid a comparison as it was last time. Biden is enjoyable, good natured, funny (intentionally) and smart as a whip. There is no similarity except age, which… hey, remember the deity Reagan? Biden’s four times as sharp as Reagan was. > [@](#): > > I tend to think Democrats will lose some of the support they enjoy from Jewish Americans mainly because Trump is very pro Israel . Hey guess what. ALL JEWS DO NOT PRIORITIZE ISRAEL. Here’s one right in front of you. I mean, I care, to the degree that it’s a democracy in the Middle East and it’s nice to have around, but they are not my top priority, or even in the top ten. I agree that they commit a lot of mistakes and are not beyond scrutiny. And the Palestinians deserve their own land, and Israelis need to get the fuck out of the West Bank. Most Jews are smarter than you think. [We went for Clinton in a BIG WAY against Mr. “I prefer the guys with yarmulkes to count my money” Trump.](https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/clinton-won-majority-of-jewish-american-vote-polls-say-1.5459522) > [@](#): > > Farm more than say Obama who said in a speech they should go back to 1967 boarders. So Jews should find some people they rented a house to back in 1967? An interesting proposal but I’m not sure I see… Oh. _Borders._ Well, frankly? Fine with me. I don’t care enough. Sorry, **Alessan**. > [@](#): > > As for Trump himself, he’s got a lot of energy. His father lived to age 93, …With Alzheimer’s or senior dementia, as I recall, for the last ten. Trump is already showing signs of being unintelligible, and he can’t string a sentence together even when it’s written down in front of him. So, yeah, I don’t think ol’ Freddy Trump is a great example. > [@](#): > > his mother age 88. His two older sisters are still alive as is his young brother. Longevity appears to be in his DNA. No, God just doesn’t want them. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-2020-democrat-can-defeat-trump/818218/243 "2018-07-25T17:40:20Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > I think the Dem’s do best when there is a rescission. What law would you suggest we repeal? If the ACA actually got repealed, that’d definitely turn out some Dems, but it’d fuck a lot of people in the meantime, myself included. > [@](#): > > That and facing rather weak candidates. The economy is doing quite well under Trump. GDP approaching projected 4% growth. Good lord, man, you realize we’re not voting for president tomorrow, right? And Trump is single-handedly taking a sledgehammer to trade, taxes, healthcare and the labor force by way of immigration. I daresay your “quite well” economy won’t last another two years at this rate. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-2020-democrat-can-defeat-trump/818218/244 "2018-07-25T17:42:01Z")
> [@chargerrich](#): > > The more I research McRaven, the more impressed I am. I believe a democractic military man will grab a lot of former Trump voters. Pair him with an up and coming candidate for VP like Booker, Harris, The Rock 🙂 and I think we have a winner. Yes! Another convert! Let’s start a whisper campaign and move on to letters and postcards to the DNC! Then a direct appeal to his wife and kids. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-2020-democrat-can-defeat-trump/818218/245 "2018-07-25T17:57:09Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Someone who survived an assassination attempt–assuming she’s doing well, and Wikipedia says she’s gone skydiving so I’m gathering she is–seems tough and has an excellent survival story that will resonate with young voters post-Parkland. Her gun-control activism might be an issue, but honestly, the Dems are never going to get the gun nuts anyway. There are other gun owners who aren’t “nuts” but also aren’t comfortable with the idea of people who seemingly have no acceptance for the idea of guns for self-defense, who seem to be against the _existence_ of guns as objects rather than against the _misuse_ of guns…I’m not sure if Giffords herself actually falls into this category, but certainly a lot of the gun control movement in the main does appear to - but anyone who talks about banning any kind of gun is a liability in the general election. The single biggest issue Giffords has been associated with, is gun control. Now, if _anyone_ has a good reason to associate themselves with that issue, it’s her - but it’s a liability in a presidential campaign. No, the Democrats aren’t going to win the votes of NRA members and hardcore 2nd-amendment absolutists, but there’s an excluded middle here and “gun banners” are one of their no-nos, and why even take the chance of having an unnecessary no-no on the ticket? ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-2020-democrat-can-defeat-trump/818218/246 "2018-07-25T17:59:40Z")
[QUOTE=choie;21107764Hey guess what. ALL JEWS DO NOT PRIORITIZE ISRAEL. Here’s one right in front of you. I mean, I care, to the degree that it’s a democracy in the Middle East and it’s nice to have around, but they are not my top priority, or even in the top ten. I agree that they commit a lot of mistakes and are not beyond scrutiny. And the Palestinians deserve their own land, and Israelis need to get the fuck out of the West Bank. Most Jews are smarter than you think. [We went for Clinton in a BIG WAY against Mr. “I prefer the guys with yarmulkes to count my money” Trump.] ([https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/clinton-won-majority-of-jewish-american-vote-polls-say-1.5459522](https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/clinton-won-majority-of-jewish-american-vote-polls-say-1.5459522)) [/QUOTE] All Jews do not prioritize Israel, but IMO most of the older ones do, and older people turn out to vote more than younger people. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-2020-democrat-can-defeat-trump/818218/247 "2018-07-25T18:15:14Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > All Jews do not prioritize Israel, but IMO most of the older ones do, and older people turn out to vote more than younger people. Did you read that article? Among voters, most didn’t put Israel in the top five issues they care about. > [@Haaretz](#): > > The poll shows that Israel was not a key issue for Jewish voters in this election. Among the top 10 issues that influenced their votes, the economy, healthcare, and ISIS and terrorism headed the list. **Israel came in only at No. 8.** > > On Mideast policy, 65 percent of American Jews said they supported the United States playing an active role in resolving the Israeli-Arab conflict. A small majority of 53 percent said they supported the United States applying pressure on Israel to make compromises for peace. > > The poll shows that 81 percent of American Jews still support a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, virtually unchanged from four years ago. **Close to that share (78 percent) said that Israel should stop building in the West Bank settlements. A substantial majority of the Iranian nuclear deal.63 percent of American Jewish voters said they supported the Iranian nuclear deal.** So, no. Believe it or not, U.S. Jewish voters actually care more about the country they live in than Israel. And when it comes to the middle east issues, they lean in the same direction general Democrats do. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-2020-democrat-can-defeat-trump/818218/248 "2018-07-25T18:33:07Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > There are other gun owners who aren’t “nuts” but also aren’t comfortable with the idea of people who seemingly have no acceptance for the idea of guns for self-defense, who seem to be against the _existence_ of guns as objects rather than against the _misuse_ of guns…I’m not sure if Giffords herself actually falls into this category, but certainly a lot of the gun control movement in the main does appear to - but anyone who talks about banning any kind of gun is a liability in the general election. > > The single biggest issue Giffords has been associated with, is gun control. Now, if _anyone_ has a good reason to associate themselves with that issue, it’s her - but it’s a liability in a presidential campaign. > > No, the Democrats aren’t going to win the votes of NRA members and hardcore 2nd-amendment absolutists, but there’s an excluded middle here and “gun banners” are one of their no-nos, and why even take the chance of having an unnecessary no-no on the ticket? Right. Look, the hard core gun nuts are 100% GOP (or other right wing parties). But there are a lot of hunters, etc in the middle, those that wouldn’t have any problem with things like a bump-stock ban or instant background checks. But if you start with a hardcore antigun activist, they will run into the arms of the GOp fast. ---
**Author:** ![chargerrich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chargerrich/32/5399_2.png) [@chargerrich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chargerrich)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-2020-democrat-can-defeat-trump/818218/249 "2018-07-25T18:50:58Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > There are other gun owners who aren’t “nuts” but also aren’t comfortable with the idea of people who seemingly have no acceptance for the idea of guns for self-defense, who seem to be against the _existence_ of guns as objects rather than against the _misuse_ of guns…I’m not sure if Giffords herself actually falls into this category, but certainly a lot of the gun control movement in the main does appear to - but anyone who talks about banning any kind of gun is a liability in the general election. > > The single biggest issue Giffords has been associated with, is gun control. Now, if _anyone_ has a good reason to associate themselves with that issue, it’s her - but it’s a liability in a presidential campaign. > > No, the Democrats aren’t going to win the votes of NRA members and hardcore 2nd-amendment absolutists, but there’s an excluded middle here and “gun banners” are one of their no-nos, and why even take the chance of having an unnecessary no-no on the ticket? While I bristle at the term “Gun Nut” I am a firm believer in the 2nd amendment, own several guns and several acres of land, drive a lifted 2018 F350 Diesel… and voted democratic the last 3 elections. The idea (lie/propaganda) that the democrats want to take guns is ludicrous on so many levels it still amazes me anyone believes it. Background checks, ban on assault weapons, even smart locks are both reasonable and sensible but also a rallying cry for the NRA/GOP ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-2020-democrat-can-defeat-trump/818218/250 "2018-07-25T18:51:47Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Biden will be 76 years old this November, meaning if elected President, he’ll be 78. This is very old. Too old to guarantee a 4 year term, and probably too old to get re-elected at age 82, and sworn in again at 83. Biden has always been gaffe prone. That is only going to get worse with age. He also carries much of Obama’s baggage, which was an easy target for Trump. No, it’s not. Warren Buffett, who is sharp as a tack is 87. There are 70 Nobel Laureates older than that. 26 were 83 and older. And Obama has nothing but good baggage. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-2020-democrat-can-defeat-trump/818218/251 "2018-07-25T19:01:54Z")
> [@chargerrich](#): > > The idea (lie/propaganda) that the democrats want to take guns is ludicrous on so many levels it still amazes me anyone believes it. Because there are people who **do** want an outright ban on gun ownership, period. [https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/article201098214.html](https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/article201098214.html) > **[It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them.](https://newrepublic.com/article/125498/its-time-ban-guns-yes-them)** > > There’s no long any room in the gun-control debate for nuance. Eliminate guns, and we’ll eliminate the carnage. > **[Ban guns](https://theweek.com/articles/729108/ban-guns)** > > Yeah, I'll say it > **[Opinion: You say gun control doesn't work? Fine. Let's ban guns altogether.](https://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-gun-control-ban-homicides-suicides-20140528-story.html)** > > In a post Tuesday, I listed the mass shootings since January 2013 in which at least three people were killed. [https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/80r2f2/cmv\_america\_should\_ban\_all\_guns/](https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/80r2f2/cmv_america_should_ban_all_guns/) [https://www.fastcompany.com/3060930/ban-guns-the-two-words-the-gun-control-movement-will-never-say-but-should](https://www.fastcompany.com/3060930/ban-guns-the-two-words-the-gun-control-movement-will-never-say-but-should) > **[Stop the insanity: Ban guns](https://www.tallahassee.com/story/opinion/columnists/ensley/2014/11/22/stop-insanity-ban-guns/19426029/)** > > As FSU reels from another of the nation's shooting sprees, the answer remains: ban individual handgun ownership > **[Care2 is the world's largest social network for good, a community of over 40...](https://truthout.org/articles/let-s-talk-about-abolishing-gun-ownership/)** > > Largest online community empowering people to lead a healthy and green lifestyle while taking action on important causes such as human rights, animal welfare and global warming. [http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2002.8.31.82856.1017.html](http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2002.8.31.82856.1017.html) ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-2020-democrat-can-defeat-trump/818218/252 "2018-07-25T19:10:22Z")
> [@pjacks](#): > > …We are due for another recession soon, and if it doesn’t come before 2020, whoever is president after that will almost certainly be in office during a recession and then blamed for it… Maybe but there are a lot of people who think the Great Recession of 2008 was Obama’s fault even though he wasn’t President when it started. Basically because he didn’t wave his magic wand once he took office and make it vanish. > [@Velocity](#): > > …As for Trump running for office a 2nd nonconsecutive term ala Grover Cleveland, he’d be 79 by 2025 and 82 by 2028; doubtful too. Plus there’s always the hope he’ll be in state prison by then. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-2020-democrat-can-defeat-trump/818218/253 "2018-07-25T19:14:19Z")
> [@chargerrich](#): > > While I bristle at the term “Gun Nut” I am a firm believer in the 2nd amendment, own several guns and several acres of land, drive a lifted 2018 F350 Diesel… and voted democratic the last 3 elections. > > The idea (lie/propaganda) that the democrats want to take guns is ludicrous on so many levels it still amazes me anyone believes it. > > Background checks, ban on assault weapons, even smart locks are both reasonable and sensible but also a rallying cry for the NRA/GOP I got no problem with Background checks as long as anyone can do one when trasferring a gun. What is a “assault weapon”? That’s the issue. And such weapons are used in less that 2% of crimes. Smart locks? Unreliable. Out here in CA they decided to “register” bullet-button assault weapons, but just like last time, the paperwork couldnt be filed or the site “went down”, instantly making thousands of law abiding Californians felons overnite. [https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article214798695.html](https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article214798695.html) [https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/article189213039.html](https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/article189213039.html) So yeah, some Democrats want to nibble away at gun rights and indeed take guns away. ---
**Author:** ![chargerrich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chargerrich/32/5399_2.png) [@chargerrich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chargerrich)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-2020-democrat-can-defeat-trump/818218/254 "2018-07-25T19:29:29Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Because there are people who **do** want an outright ban on gun ownership, period. > [https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/article201098214.html](https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/article201098214.html) > [It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them. | The New Republic](https://newrepublic.com/article/125498/its-time-ban-guns-yes-them) > [Ban guns | The Week](http://theweek.com/articles/729108/ban-guns) > [Opinion: You say gun control doesn't work? Fine. Let's ban guns altogether.](http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-gun-control-ban-homicides-suicides-20140528-story.html) > [Reddit - Dive into anything](https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/80r2f2/cmv_america_should_ban_all_guns/) > [https://www.fastcompany.com/3060930/ban-guns-the-two-words-the-gun-control-movement-will-never-say-but-should](https://www.fastcompany.com/3060930/ban-guns-the-two-words-the-gun-control-movement-will-never-say-but-should) > [Stop the insanity: Ban guns](https://www.tallahassee.com/story/opinion/columnists/ensley/2014/11/22/stop-insanity-ban-guns/19426029/) > [https://truthout.org/articles/let-s-talk-about-abolishing-gun-ownership/](https://truthout.org/articles/let-s-talk-about-abolishing-gun-ownership/) > [http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2002.8.31.82856.1017.html](http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2002.8.31.82856.1017.html) Yes and there are people who believe the Earth is Flat too. 🙂 Never said that there were not crazy politicans and ideaologies. Remember the Michigan state bill from 2012 to allow concealed weapons in schools and churches? - [http://articles.petoskeynews.com/2012-12-14/gun-free-zones\_35829851](http://articles.petoskeynews.com/2012-12-14/gun-free-zones_35829851) I remember Joe Barton (R-Texas) saying Carbon Dioxide is not a pollutant “because CO2 is in your Coca Cola”… while lining his pocket with oil money. - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-XAUm4WXaY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-XAUm4WXaY) Gordon Klingenschmitt (R-Colorado) - Obamacare causes cancer and believed a demonic spirit lived in Obama. - [Man Who Believes 'Obamacare Causes Cancer' Wins GOP Primary In Colorado | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/25/gordon-klingenschmitt_n_5530541.html) The above was more for humor than to take seriously, but all but the most extreme on either side of the aisle, want or believe that the Government wants… or more importantly… ever could ban guns by repealing the 2nd amendment. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-2020-democrat-can-defeat-trump/818218/255 "2018-07-25T21:56:11Z")
> [@sps49sd](#): > > Kamala Harris is an empty suit filled by Willie Brown. She hasn’t done much herself. Just filling those boxes shouldn’t substitute for accomplishments. Now that’s how you do a gendered insult! I don’t think she should be the candidate, the mere fact that she has so much experience in office does make a difference. > [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Top of the ticket, what McRaven brings: White, dude, military discipline, red state Texan, charismatic, good speaker, (probably) moderate, calming presence, leader, war hero. Who exactly is voting for “white” or “dude”? Military vets _don’t_ win the US Presidency since 1992. He won’t even bring his own state, you mean? … … Probably moderate? You mean you have no idea what he would do in the office. This is silly. > [@](#): > > Running mate, what Solis brings: Progressive, female, Latina, daughter of immigrants, very pro-labor, both parents were union members and father was an organizer, she was a member of the Obama administration (and hell, less than two years into Trump, [even conservatives are admitting nostalgia for the Obama years](http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/398112-conservative-columnist-i-would-take-obama-back-in-a-nanosecond)) without having a huge target on her back from conservatives (like Holder, Kerry, Clinton, Lynch), former member of Congress, solid public speaker. > > Both would come at the campaign as semi-outsiders, without being completely ignorant of how Washington is run, so they could appeal to a wide swath of people (from the “shake things up” voters to the “return us to normalcy” voters). And again, there ain’t no way Trump would be able to make a former Navy SEAL, the admiral who led the mission to kill Bin Laden, look weak or incompetent. The dude oozes leadership. Yeah, OK. But I think your crush on Tex McRaven is silly. > [@Lamoral](#): > > There are other gun owners who aren’t “nuts” but also aren’t comfortable with the idea of people who seemingly have no acceptance for the idea of guns for self-defense, who seem to be against the _existence_ of guns as objects rather than against the _misuse_ of guns…I’m not sure if Giffords herself actually falls into this category, but certainly a lot of the gun control movement in the main does appear to - but anyone who talks about banning any kind of gun is a liability in the general election. > > The single biggest issue Giffords has been associated with, is gun control. Now, if _anyone_ has a good reason to associate themselves with that issue, it’s her - but it’s a liability in a presidential campaign. _She was shot in the face._ If this level of disrespect for victims of political terror is what we’re getting from alleged moderates (what state are you from again?), then it’s time for an “immoderate” gun control movement. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-2020-democrat-can-defeat-trump/818218/256 "2018-07-25T22:06:07Z")
Excuse me. > [@foolsguinea](#): > > I don’t think she should be the candidate, BUT > [@](#): > > the mere fact that she has so much experience in office does make a difference. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-2020-democrat-can-defeat-trump/818218/257 "2018-07-25T22:09:59Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Now that’s how you do a gendered insult! > > I don’t think she should be the candidate, the mere fact that she has so much experience in office does make a difference. So much experience?:dubious: _One year_ as a senator. Six years as CA AG. Very little experience. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-2020-democrat-can-defeat-trump/818218/258 "2018-07-25T22:21:41Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Who exactly is voting for “white” or “dude”? You can’t possibly think I’m the only one saying the Dems should run a white male at the top of the ticket in 2020. > [@](#): > > Military vets _don’t_ win the US Presidency since 1992. Until they do. > [@](#): > > He won’t even bring his own state, you mean? I actually think he could, especially with the right running mate, as I’ve already said. And, again, you can’t possibly think I’m the only person saying the Dems should run someone from a red state at the top of the ticket in 2020. Even if they don’t necessarily win that state. > [@](#): > > … … Probably moderate? You mean you have no idea what he would do in the office. This is silly. What’s silly? I’m saying I’d like to see him run. The point of the primary is to see where people stand. > [@](#): > > Yeah, OK. But I think your crush on Tex McRaven is silly. This from the guy who suggested LeBron James? ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-2020-democrat-can-defeat-trump/818218/259 "2018-07-25T22:31:15Z")
OK, fine. I didn’t want Kamala Harris to be the nominee anyway. I think it should be a Midwesterner with working-class cred. But maybe all the “moderates” that want absolute gun rights and free market capitalism and candidates who are white Texan military brass should enter the GOP and try to pull them back from the brink, or form their own party, rather than expecting the Democrats to cater to them. There are too many pro-choice voters for there to be two pro-life parties. There are too many anti-gun voters for there to be two gun-rights parties. And now there are too many voters suffering from long-term economic failure for there to be two economically conservative parties. By the numbers, the Democrats need some white voters (over half the country) and they need _Midwestern_ voters and they need _poor_ voters. The NRA & the laissez-faire types already have representation, and the Dems can’t poach them. And right now, the second-best advertisement for gun control is the gun fetishists posing with their guns like a bunch of suicide bombers. The best advertisement for gun control is the news. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-2020-democrat-can-defeat-trump/818218/260 "2018-07-25T22:39:12Z")
LeBron isn’t from\* Texas.\* No more white Southron boys, please! And it seems to me that too many American voters–how did Bill Clinton put it? Oh yeah–_loathe the military._ It’s not fair, it’s not right, it’s not just, but it really doesn’t seem to be a positive. There aren’t enough veterans to make it work. As for white and dude, you are going to be running _against_ white and dude. You can’t run a white man on race against a white man, is all I’m saying. Maybe I misunderstood your point. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-2020-democrat-can-defeat-trump/818218.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-2020-democrat-can-defeat-trump/818218.md?page=14)