Which animals will you kill, or have killed on your behalf?

Flies and ants found in the house are executed without a second thought. Outside I leave insects alone unless its wasps or black widows against the house or in the crawlspace. Then they die. I justify this by the fact that they would happily kill me just for existing. Kill or be killed and all that.

I used to fish but haven’t done so in years. Reason: I’m too lazy and would rather spend my money on a nice deli salmon than the tackle, rod, and licenses needed to maybe catch something. Same for hunting: I’m too cheap and lazy to hunt (plus, I refuse to have firearms in the house). I have no moral objection to hunting or fishing. Indeed, it’s likely more humane than factory farming.

Any evidence of mice or rats in the house means a trip to the hardware store for snap traps. They carry disease and I don’t feel like getting a PICC line for industrial strength antibiotics to fight some exotic infection. Although with a dog and two indoor cats, we don’t have mice. We did catch a rat in the garage though, which was disgusting.

Lab animals: I’m an English teacher, not a research science guy. Killing and dissecting animals would be pointless for me. Now, if I was a research science guy and killing and disecting animals was a necessary part of my research then yes, I’d do it. Medical breakthroughs have to come from somewhere. But otherwise, no. I do not support the idea that middle-school kids need dissect frogs or pig fetuses or worms. The knowledge obtained is minimal and doesn’t justify killing an animal.

I would not pay a trapper to trap any animal that I know would be killed. Relocated, yes. In fact I myself have done that very thing with weasels, racoons, possums, and skunks. (Fun fact: raw skunk spray when applied at point-blank range actually smells like garlic – very strong, garlic, to be sure, but garlic nonetheless. It’s only when it gets diluted a bit that it develops it’s characteristic reek.)

I have a freezer full of beef, pork, and poultry, all procured from the local Safeway. So yes, I approve of meat raised soley for my consumption. Although as noted I’d be more comfortable eating wild game or pasture-raised animals. But that stuff is too spendy for me.

Do I approve of hunting for food/skins? Thats two seperate questions. Yes I approve of hunting for food. Hunting just for the skins? Fuck that shit. It should be (and I believe in most jurisdictions in the U.S., it is) a crime. Same with hunting just for sport. Or hunting endangered species without a valid (i.e., life-or-death survival) reason.

I would have serious qualms about eating any meat not usually found in my local grocery store, with the exception of bear and venison – I’ve eaten both of those and enjoy them. Don’t ask me why but the thought of eating horse or dog or cat or kangaroo or alligator or whatever makes my skin crawl. We’ve been socially conditioned that those critters aren’t food.

Interstingly enough I’ve eaten goat meat and found it delectable. But I can’t bring myself to do it again: something about eating goat just rubs me the wrong way. Like I said, I can’t explain it.

FTR in my life I have deliberately killed a small number of feral cats, a raccoon, and a beaver. All a result of said animals causing damage to livestock or commercial crops or them being found on my property after being significantly injured. I had state Fish & Game licenses for the raccoon and beaver, but obviously not the cats. One of them was a kitten and was dispatched due to it apparently having somehow suffered a spinal injury (couldn’t move its rear legs), and that one still haunts me – it didn’t die instantly like it should’ve. I can see no situation where I will ever choose to kill an animal with a firearm again. The only exception that I can think of is a self-defense situation during a backcountry hike or camping trip. But since I no longer own or possess firearms such an encounter will likely never arise and I won’t put myself in those situations regardless.

I killed a rattlesnake once. It was in the military and we were training out in the field. We were an artillery battery so we were shooting, moving, and shooting again. In one of our moves we pulled into position and started to set up, lay the guns, dig in. I was the section chief and we were setting up, and all of a sudden I’m all alone. All the guys were gone.

I look outside of our truck and I see them standing around and looking at something. So I go and check it out,

They’re standing around this rattlesnake that’s close to our truck. A major distraction. A rattlesnake, yeah that’s pretty cool, but I didn’t want it close to our position.

So I found a stick with a small fork at the end and I put it on its neck to hold him down. Then I cut its head off.

Okay let’s get back to work. Someone asked for the head, and another for the tail, and I didn’t care, go ahead and keep it.

But I wish that I’d kept them.

Parasites and pests. Cockroaches. Ants. Mosquitoes. But only in human homes & gardens or actively attacking me.

I have, and would again.

Yes.

No.

No, I’d insist on a no-kill remover.

Yes.

Yes, have done so myself.

No primates, no endangered species, no cetaceans, no pets. That’s about it. I’ve eaten horse.

I want to say a bit about trapping and moving animals. In general, it’s illegal in the US, and rightfully so, if you are moving the animal farther than “out of your building”. Trapping and releasing after sealing the building to exclude the animal is generally fine, and can be highly effective. Trapping and moving the animal “far away” in the hope that it doesn’t find it’s way back is not fine.

  1. it spreads diseases.
  2. most animals are territorial, and if you dump one in the territory of another of its species, one if them will likely kill the other.
  3. they will typically attempt to return to their own home, rather than stay in sometime else’s territory, and they are good at it. A friend trapped the same mouse four times, after releasing it farther and farther from home. (She drew a ring around its tail with sharpie, after suspecting it might be the same mouse.) This is among the reasons it spreads disease – relocated animals can move a LOT.

Unless you are a wildlife officer, know what you are doing, and have a permit, don’t try to relocate wild animals. And don’t expect it of your pest-removal service.

I have no problem killing animals out of necessity. Never for fun or spite.

I don’t hunt, because I can buy meat at the store. With a gun, I couldn’t reliably kill as humanely as an abattoir with their equipment. Abattoirs aren’t perfect, of course, but a hunter is liable to make a gut shot or a leg shot involving some pursuit and suffering.

I was once presented with an opportunity to eat dog and was unable to do so. It smelled too doggy. I’ve eaten horse and whale before as a novelty and felt little taboo or remorse about it, maybe because I’ve never bonded with a horse or whale. I don’t know if I could eat a cat. I’m not sentimental about them, but I suspect it would be sourced as a garbabe-eating stray.

I don’t kill other mammals except rats caught inside the residence, and I have no problem with that. I’ve never needed to euthanize an animal, but if it were clearly necessary to end prolonged suffering, I would do that.

I’ve never had cause to kill a bird, and I couldn’t imagine any reason for me to do so. I can buy fowl at the market if I want it.

For other animals it’s purely a convenience situation. A venomous snake in the yard might harm children, so those have to go. Bugs and spiders, according to whether I feel merciful or tyrannical at the time. It’s OK to eat fish because they don’t have any feelings.

As always, this varies by location. In my area there are people licensed to trap and remove wildlife from buildings/homes and they are permitted to release them in the same county on private land, subject to all pertinent local laws and regulations.

Trapping and releasing a raccoon just outside your building does no good - he’ll just try to get back in and they’re very destructive/determined.

When we had raccoons there were two alternatives: kill them outright, or trap and relocate. Yes, there are problems with relocating but the alternative is certain death.

Also, licensed trappers are obligated to euthanize any sick/injured animals rather than attempt relocation. The person I hired to deal with raccoons when my landlord was out of town mentioned that if there are disease outbreaks in particular species he would be required to euthanize all such animals he caught rather than relocated them until the outbreak ends. Again, this is a person licensed by the state to deal with problem wildlife, not some random person I found on the street.

Obey the laws in your area.

My parents had raccoons nesting in their chimney. They hired someone who removed the raccoon and installed a metal gate at the entrance to the chimney.

My father asked, “won’t they just move into someone else’s chimney?” And the pest removal guy replied, “i imagine so. This is the third house I’ve removed them from this month.”

That being said, they didn’t return to my parents’ chimney, because exclusion works, when done properly. Similarly, you can deal with bats in the attic by finding how they get in and sealing those holes when the bats are out feeding. So often, trapping and releasing just outside your building,

works fine.

Thanks for all of the answers. So how do you distinguish (if you do) between the following instances. Which will you kill, which won’t you, and why?

-mouse in your house
-squirrels in your attic
-skunk under your porch
-chipmunk burrowing under your stoop
-moles in your lawn
-rabbits nesting in your vegetable garden
-knock down nest under eaves w/ baby robins in it

Me, I don’t strongly differentiate between any of these. My decision to kill or not would depend on how I assess the entirety of the situation. And one significant factor is that none of these species is at all endangered. Kinda like a weed is a plant growing where you don’t want it, I consider a cuddly animal to be vermin if it is where I don’t want it. I would not think of killing the animals if they were not acting in some way that bothered me or my house/property. In my area, only licensed trappers are allowed to trap animals such as skunks/squirrels, and after trapping, they destroy them.

I guess I’m interested in a discussion of why folk think killing a mouse if OK, but a squirrel or rabbit is not. Or eating cow/pig/deer is OK, but horse/dog not.

The problem is that when you are a renter you do not own the building and can not make permanent of alterations on your own (if you do, you risk violating the terms of your lease). I could hire someone to remove the animal, or I could kill the animal myself, but I could not legally hire someone to do work on the roof to make repairs and alterations.

It might have been different if the owner/landlord had been available to take charge but he was in Europe on a family emergency at the time. As it was, I wasn’t even certain he would reimburse me for the cost of animal removal when he got back, but he did. And then he did some work on the roof. Sorry, but I couldn’t wait three weeks for the owner to get back and deal with this, I had to do something to protect myself and my pets immediately.

Other significant factors are whether it’s practical to exclude those animals, and whether they are causing any harm. I’d leave the robin, not because they are cute, but because they aren’t doing me any harm. And I’d fence the vegetables, because that works to exclude rabbits around here, where there are plenty of other things for them to feed on, like grass.

That’s an interesting special case. Usually it’s the building owner who deals with animal damage, not a renter. I’m glad you were able to find a way to protect yourself without killing the raccoon. The wildlife people around here would tell you that the animal probably either died or killed another raccoon after being relocated, but perhaps your have a lower population density of raccoons than we have.

A lot has to do with whether or not the animal is posing a threat to people/pets. A mouse out in a field is not a threat to humans and I would not condone killing it. A mouse in your house is destructive and potentially a source of disease, therefore, removal/killing is OK. A squirrel in the house is not much different than a mouse in the house. Wild rabbits seldom invade homes. Outside, they’re not much of a problem but if they’re eating crops intended as human food then I’m OK with eliminating them. I’m also OK with eating rabbits. Outside of those circumstances I don’t condone killing them. OK, in Australia where introduced rabbits are a problem for the native life yes, OK with eliminating them there, too.

So… basically either threat to home/inhabitants of home or threat to food supply or as food. Or if they’re an introduced plague to an ecosystem.

That’s largely cultural programming. A lot of people in India would never eat a cow, just as a lot of people in America would never eat a horse. The details differ, but their cultures put those animals outside the category “food”. Some people have religious prohibitions on certain foods. That sort of distinction isn’t entirely rational.

I confess I am the ultimate hypocrite.

I will not willingly kill an animal who’s just doing its thing and living its life. If at all possible I will find a way to make them relocate themselves, method depends on what it is (ie: removing a wasp nest with a broom or hose (not poison), and making all food sources inaccessible to rodents in the house or racoons in the barn. I try and save mice, birds and squirrels from the barn cats. Rodents in the house are actually a problem because I have a houseful of cats as well as the barn cats.

Flies and mosquitos I will swat, and lone wasps in the house are dispatched promptly. I ignore or relocate spiders.

Fire ants get treated with a growth inhibitor, not poison.

However I am a confirmed carnivore and have no problem eating any kind of meat or fish. I own horses and goats, and would actually not mind eating purposed-raised meat from those animals. I think sheep and lambs are too impossibly cute, and lamb chops are one of my favorite things to eat. I don’t know if I could raise and kill my own, but probably not. As it stands I don’t have to, so …

Euthanasia of sick and injured animals is another thing entirely. I don’t have a firearm and wouldn’t dare use one anyway, but I am all for a vet-assisted death if an animal is (or soon will be) suffering.

Nope, plenty of raccoons around here, unfortunately. And the wildlife guy did tell me that the chances of a relocated raccoon weren’t great (although the big male he trapped might have had better than average odds). Which is why I decided that I really didn’t care what the trapper did with the raccoon, he could make the decision to either relocate or euthanize once he removed the animal. If nothing else, he was probably better equipped than I was to give the animal a fast, humane end than I was.

Normally, over the years I lived in that place, my landlord did take care of this sort of thing (that’s how the one neighbor got a raccoon dinner - the neighbor asked about it and the landlord used his carry gun to put down the animal and handed it over the guy wanting to eat it). But, like you said, it was a somewhat unusual circumstance.

I absolutely do agree that building/repairing homes to prevent animals invading in the first place is a preferable approach to removing them afterward, but it’s not a perfect world.

Passing over whether actually possible based on my local fauna:
mouse - kill, mice are pests.
squirrels - I wouldn’t kill, because I like squirrels and it’s not an active pest (me not being a nut farmer)
skunk - I wouldn’t kill, it’s not an active pest
chipmunk - not kill, unless its burrowing is actually going to harm my porch?
moles - not kill, moles don’t eat vegetation and I’m not a slug. Mole-rats, on the other hand…
-rabbits- kill, they’re a pest
-baby robins - I don’t understand, has the nest fallen down from previously under the eaves? Or is a “knock down nest” a kind of nest, and it’s currently under my eaves? In the first case, I take them to bird rescue or try and stick the nest back up there. In the second, I leave them alone. In neither case do I kill them, they’re not a pest.

Will you kill insects? What kinds?

Do you fish and eat your catch?
Do you kill mice/rats in your house?
Would you kill lab mice/rats for dissection? Lab monkeys?
Will you have squirrels, skunks trapped in your home, if you know the trapper will kill it?
Do you approve of animals being (hopefully humanely) raised and killed for you to eat?
Will you hunt/approve of hunting for food/skins?
Are there some categories of mammals you will kill (e.g. mice) but others you won’t (dogs, cats…)?
Will you eat beef, lamb, and pork, but not horse?

Pretty straightforward and as expressed by others already(so piling on).

Is it causing (or could cause) me or mine harm?

And of course arbitrary cultural programming. Good rule of thumb: don’t give an animal you may eat a name. No one wants to eat “Timothy”.

You sure about that?. :smiley:

Funny because the allusion to those who have kept up in the show was to The Boys, not The Buoys! I wonder if the show writers had been making your allusion!

I have zero qualms about killing just about anything for just about any reason. It doesn’t even register. I normally don’t go out of my way to do it. It’s not something I make plans to do. I hunt, but not seriously. I fish occasionally. My relationship is not complicated.

Yes to 1-4
5. I trap them and killed them myself.
Yes to 6 and 7
No to 8
Yes to 9. I want to eat a horse but the one I had to kill was too old and was fed to the big cats at the rescue.