# Which Avenger will never ever get a movie ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 6, 2011, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avenger-will-never-ever-get-a-movie/577421 "2011-04-06T17:29:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![WotNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e19b73/32.png) [@WotNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WotNot)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avenger-will-never-ever-get-a-movie/577421/41 "2011-04-07T07:41:48Z")
> [@B.Serum](#): > > I’m one of the few people who think that Hank Pym has great character potential, and if the stereotype of a Marvel character is a hero with clay feet, Pym is the epitome of that dynamic. I love the notion of a guy that has so much going for him and he’s not a bad guy, but he makes bad decisions and can’t seem to get out of his own way. But it seems like writers keep wanting to redeem him. I say leave him unredeemed, he’s more interesting that way. I think the key to Hank Pym is that he keeps wanting to redeem _himself,_ because he’s under the delusion that he’s a superhero. Everyone else just goes along with it, because they’re scared that one day, he’ll wake up and realise that he’s actually a comic book **Mad Scientist** , and _he knows where they live._ > [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > Oddly enough… > > Hawkeye. Yes, he’s a great hero. But he’s just not flashy enough for these days. If they were going to do a superhero archer, they’d prefer Green Arrow, I think. He’s a better-known character than Hawkeye, who always plays second fiddle to other Avengers. > > I think that’s kinda sad, because I really like the character. C’est la vie. Yeah, Hawkeye really only works as part of a team – which seems to be what the movies will be doing with him. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avenger-will-never-ever-get-a-movie/577421/42 "2011-04-07T12:08:03Z")
> [@WotNot](#): > > Yeah, Hawkeye really only works as part of a team – which seems to be what the movies will be doing with him. I agree. The key trait of the original Hawkeye is he’s an ex-villain. The key trait of the Ultimate Hawkeye is he’s a black ops agent. In both cases he represents something that makes the other Avengers distrust him. But as a solo character, there’s no other characters to feel that mistrust. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avenger-will-never-ever-get-a-movie/577421/43 "2011-04-07T13:15:40Z")
> [@B.Serum](#): > > Heh. I see what you did there. He can’t touch him. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avenger-will-never-ever-get-a-movie/577421/44 "2011-04-07T13:23:23Z")
> [@BMalion](#): > > He can’t touch him. Darn. You. That’s an earworm I’m not getting rid of for days… ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avenger-will-never-ever-get-a-movie/577421/45 "2011-04-07T13:41:15Z")
All things considered, I’d pay money to see a Squirrel-Girl movie. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avenger-will-never-ever-get-a-movie/577421/46 "2011-04-07T20:25:00Z")
I think it’s also highly doubtful that [these guys](http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix4/earth50savengers.htm) will ever make the cut for even the main movie. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avenger-will-never-ever-get-a-movie/577421/47 "2011-04-07T20:40:35Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I just wanted to stop in and say that I would totally see a _Remain of the Day_-type movie transplanted into a superhero universe. I’d camp out for tickets to that motherfucker. Make it Alfred and Jarvis swapping stories, and I’d be first in line. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avenger-will-never-ever-get-a-movie/577421/48 "2011-04-07T21:43:13Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Make it Alfred and Jarvis swapping stories, and I’d be first in line. There’s a Marvel/DC crossover I’d buy… ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avenger-will-never-ever-get-a-movie/577421/49 "2011-04-07T21:56:28Z")
Why _hasn’t_ there been a Hawkeye or a Green Arrow movie yet? They’re not widely-known characters, but neither was the Punisher or Judge Dredd. The whole modern-day Robin Hood idea seems like it would be a no-brainer. With today’s CGI, they could do boxing-glove arrows and probably even model Oliver Queen’s beard. ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avenger-will-never-ever-get-a-movie/577421/50 "2011-04-07T22:03:55Z")
When I first saw this thread my first thoughts were for John Steed or Mike Gambit. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avenger-will-never-ever-get-a-movie/577421/51 "2011-04-07T22:05:07Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > Why _hasn’t_ there been a Hawkeye or a Green Arrow movie yet? They’re not widely-known characters, but neither was the Punisher or Judge Dredd. The whole modern-day Robin Hood idea seems like it would be a no-brainer. With today’s CGI, they could do boxing-glove arrows and probably even model Oliver Queen’s beard. I’m guessing the DC universe rights are tied up for a while. Numerous DC heroes have appeared on _Smallville_, including Green Arrow (Oliver Queen was a major character over several seasons). ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avenger-will-never-ever-get-a-movie/577421/52 "2011-04-07T22:12:30Z")
I think that both Hawkeye and Green Arrow could have movies of their own. With the right kind of script, either one of them could work well. Unfortunately, they don’t have the same iconic status as other, more familiar heroes. That’s not stopping Thor from having his own movie, but then again, Thor has the weight of Norse mythology backing him up. Also, both characters do work best within teams. Hawkeye was at his best within the Avengers and with Mockingbird. GA worked best within the JLA and alongside Black Canary. (The latter frustrated me, since I always felt that the Canary deserved to emerge from within GA’s shadow.) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avenger-will-never-ever-get-a-movie/577421/53 "2011-04-07T23:17:17Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I just wanted to stop in and say that I would totally see a _Remain of the Day_-type movie transplanted into a superhero universe. I’d camp out for tickets to that motherfucker. I’d rather see it done like Jeeves & Bertie. Just imagine all the superheroes’ valets and butlers meeting up at the [Junior Ganymede Club](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junior_Ganymede_Club) . . . ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avenger-will-never-ever-get-a-movie/577421/54 "2011-04-08T02:31:20Z")
Starfox. Same name as an old 1980’s video game, so not as trademarkable; kind of a convoluted backstory; powers the opposite of flashy; created by Starlin, not Lee nor Kirby. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avenger-will-never-ever-get-a-movie/577421/55 "2011-04-08T03:21:40Z")
> [@B.Serum](#): > > The only good characterization of the Wasp I can remember reading is Peter David’s treatment of her in [Spectacular Spider-Man #105-106](http://stevegoble.blogspot.com/2009/09/peter-parker-spectacular-spider-man-105.html). Apart from that she’s forgettable. One of the first comic series I bought for myself. Very early Peter David, snappy dialogue, & why I don’t dismiss the Wasp out of hand. > [@astro](#): > > [“The Impregnator”.](http://www.zombo.com)Limited power set and allergic to latex. His only saving grace was he really filled out his spandex shorts. Thanks for the link. I’ve read way too many Steve Gerber comics to tell that was a joke without that pothole. > [@JThunder](#): > > Also, both characters do work best within teams. Hawkeye was at his best within the Avengers and with Mockingbird. GA worked best within the JLA and alongside Black Canary. (The latter frustrated me, since I always felt that the Canary deserved to emerge from within GA’s shadow.) Arguably she did with the _Birds of Prey_ comics, though sometimes she’s in Barbara Gordon’s shadow. (For those who don’t know, BoP pretty much turned into paraplegic ex-Batgirl team-up after a while.) ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avenger-will-never-ever-get-a-movie/577421/56 "2011-04-08T03:37:51Z")
> [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](#): > > What? Did she ever have any decent stories? WHen I collected avengers she was in the all yellow leotard and was the lamest character ever. > > The only story I can remember at the moment though was some comic with a character who could die over and over, but always came back as an 8-yr-old boy, and he went to the Avengers for help. Anyway, that was the era of the Wasp that I remember. That’s Kenny from South Park! ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avenger-will-never-ever-get-a-movie/577421/57 "2011-04-08T03:59:54Z")
Thanks to\*\* Fenris \*\*and **Don Draper**. That’s the kind of answers I was looking for when asking the question. Though, come to think of it, what really started the question in my mind was a rereading of an old issue of the West Coast Advengers while thinking about the Captain America/Thor movies coming out. I loved Englehart’s WCO, and there was one character in it that I really liked. And that was Wonder Man [Wonder Man - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Man) . But, Christ, how in Hell would you sell a movie about a guy that looks like the bastard child of Cyclops and Superman. Though the character was really original, I just couldnt see how any movie translation of that character wouldnt still have “knock-off” written all over him. P.S: I’ve always had a liking for that specific kind of brooding melancholic SHs, I’m thinking of Daredevil, Cyclops or Wonder Man. And those three all have huge sunglasses. Does this lack of eye contact with the character (or maybe the glasses eating up a bit portion of the face) inevitably lead him be/feel moody or tragic? ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avenger-will-never-ever-get-a-movie/577421/58 "2011-04-08T05:10:54Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > With today’s CGI, they could do boxing-glove arrows Why would you want to? ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avenger-will-never-ever-get-a-movie/577421/59 "2011-04-08T09:54:44Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Starfox. Same name as an old 1980’s video game, so not as trademarkable; kind of a convoluted backstory; powers the opposite of flashy; created by Starlin, not Lee nor Kirby. Plus rape. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avenger-will-never-ever-get-a-movie/577421/60 "2011-04-08T11:38:19Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > Why would you want to? Nostalgia! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avenger-will-never-ever-get-a-movie/577421.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avenger-will-never-ever-get-a-movie/577421.md?page=4)