# Which Avengers should assemble in the sequel? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 9, 2012, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353 "2012-05-09T03:05:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/41 "2012-05-09T16:15:42Z")
Hulk was far too big of a hit with audiences, and he’ll (wisely) never be cut for that reason. Black Panther has a movie in pre-production. He seems likely. Ditto for Doctor Strange, though not until Avengers 3. Coulson could be resurrected as Vision. ---
**Author:** ![kelly5078](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/6f9a4e/32.png) [@kelly5078](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kelly5078)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/42 "2012-05-09T16:34:17Z")
I just came in to say my fondest hope is that Joss would take the well-deserved and long overdue megabucks he’s gonna make from this and bring back “Firefly.” ---
**Author:** ![shy\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@shy\_guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shy_guy)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/43 "2012-05-09T16:36:09Z")
> [@Gagundathar](#): > > First, based upon my extensive immersion in the Marvel Universe, I would be remiss in not noting that the roster has changed many times over the years. However, since that span of years reaches back to September 1963 (well nigh FIFTY years), and one assumes that the next movie will occur (in Marvel Universe continuity) within 6 months of the last one, then perhaps a roster change at this point is premature. The first Avengers lineup change occurred when they swapped out the Hulk for Captain America in Avengers #4. By Avengers #16, no members who had appeared in Avengers #1 were still a part of the team. Considering that every Marvel story happens on a ten-year sliding time line (e.g., the Fantastic Four formed in 2002, not 1961), that means the original lineup barely worked together for any time at all. ---
**Author:** ![DeptfordX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DeptfordX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeptfordX)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/44 "2012-05-09T16:38:36Z")
I would love the Vision, but the people pushing Ms Marvel are right We need a woman on the team with actual superpowers. I have strong doubts about how well the Wasp size changing would work in a live action film and the Scarlet Witch doesn’t seem right to me without the whole Magneto and Quicksiver stuff. Plus Ms Marvel would be plausibly easier to introduce without having to do a setup movie. In Avengers 2 Just have her as a Shield agent who gets exposed to something in the course of the action (Tesseract/Alien tech/Asgardian magic/etc) and aquires superpowers in time for the climax. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/45 "2012-05-09T16:44:01Z")
> [@shy\_guy](#): > > The first Avengers lineup change occurred when they swapped out the Hulk for Captain America in Avengers #4. By Avengers #16, no members who had appeared in Avengers #1 were still a part of the team. And in Avengers #20, someone else altogether joins up and gets kicked out in the same issue! ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/46 "2012-05-09T16:50:55Z")
> [@GreedySmurf](#): > > [snip] > > I can’t see the Scarlet Witch getting a gig to be honest, for a couple of reasons > > - The movie makers (both Avengers and Thor) seem to be specifically avoiding outright ‘magic’, with Thor’s & the Asgardian’s powers being made ‘indistinguishable from magic’ technology. And I can’t see how to do that with the Witches powers, > - Even a lot of the comic writers seems to struggle with using her properly, going from having little noticeable power at all to being off the charts powerful, > - Who owns he X-men rights at the moment? Has that come back to Marvel? If not ,I wouldn’t want to see her background severed from Magneto, which would have to be done if Marvel don’t have the character rights at the moment. Strictly speaking, the Scarlet Witch does not have ‘Magic’ powers. Her powers are probability alteration. Some of the effects of her “hexes” are not always desirable, however. Could get interesting. The Vision has always been one of my old favorites, and I don’t care how you get him into the movie. He could always just show up and then we learn his backstory later. > [@Skammer](#): > > Spider-man would be awesome, but the movie rights are currently owned by Sony. True. However, Stark could upgrade Black Widow’s equipment – give her the wrist mounted “widow’s bite” and grappling line, and create special gloves and boots to give her “wall-crawling” abilities. “These are great,” BW says after trying them out. “What gave you the idea?” Stark shrugs and gestures with his everpresent glass of booze. “I heard about this guy --” The Widow cuts him off. “Yeah, I heard of him, too. I don’t believe a word of it.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/47 "2012-05-09T17:22:46Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And if they were to give up anyone, I’d prefer to give up Thor. Hawkeye _would_ be a more logical choice in some ways, but we haven’t really seen enough of him yet. Give him a chance. Hawkeye’s problem isn’t that he hasn’t been given enough time to shine, it’s that he’s a guy with a bow and arrow, while Thor is the Norse god of strength, storms and kicking ass. > [@](#): > > Black Panther might be the best choice for a new character simply for diversity reasons. No, not because he’s black, but because he’s not American. For supposedly being the _Earth’s_ mightiest heroes, it’s an awfully USA-centered team: You’ve got four Americans (one of whom makes that the whole basis of his identity), one Russian-turned-American, and one non-human who’s shacking up with an American. First, fuck tokenism. If you can’t justify Black Panther being on the team on his own merits, he sure as hell shouldn’t be there just because he’s African. Second, why the hell doesn’t Thor count? Who he dates is more important than who he is? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/48 "2012-05-09T17:33:06Z")
I voted for the second option, “Six is the perfect number. Don’t cut or add anybody.” Whedon did a fantastic job of giving everybody pretty much the same amount of screentime, with a fine mix of action, dialogue, moments of awesome and character development. Adding more superheroes would be too much; taking someone away would be a shame. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/49 "2012-05-09T17:33:28Z")
Nightcat, Street Poet Ray, and U.S.-1. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/50 "2012-05-09T18:07:52Z")
I voted for 6 too. They were able to tell almost everyone’s story coherently in this movie. Don’t screw it up so fast, give it one more movie and one more baddie for this time before adding/subtracting. With Thanos, there will likely be too much of his backstory to overcome, so no need to squeeze another hero into the mix. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/51 "2012-05-09T18:15:25Z")
Now that I think about it, they should put in Tigra. I think that fans deserve a hot woman who looks like a cat running around in the movie. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/52 "2012-05-09T18:21:11Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > Now that I think about it, they should put in Tigra. I think that fans deserve a hot woman who looks like a cat running around in the movie. And so was created the highest-grossing movie of all time: AVATAR-VENGERS. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/53 "2012-05-09T18:24:24Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > Hawkeye’s problem isn’t that he hasn’t been given enough time to shine, it’s that he’s a guy with a bow and arrow, while Thor is the Norse god of strength, storms and kicking ass. And yet he very nearly brought down the Helicarrier with a single shot, stormed the Helicarrier all the way to the bridge with impunity, killed dozens of Chitauri, was a key player in their battle strategy in Manhattan, and handed Iron Man the solution to killing the scads of Chitauri that were on his tail. Have you even seen the movie? Because I’ve only heard the “LOL, he’s just got a bow” stuff from guys that haven’t. The whole point of Avengers isn’t just an assembly of Marvel’s flying bricks. It’s about teamwork and niche roles and feats of derring-do. The sum is greater than the parts, and it’s not an issue that one member is seeming dwarfed by another. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/54 "2012-05-09T18:25:31Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **Grumman** : > > Second, why the hell doesn’t Thor count? Who he dates is more important than who he is? Well, he’s not one of “Earth’s Mightiest” at all, except in so far as he’s chosen to identify with Earth. And in so far as he’s chosen to identify with any nation of Earth, it’s the US. But fine, even if we do count him (and Black Widow) as non-American, that’s still two-thirds of a team representing an entire planet that all comes from a single nation. > [@](#): > > Quoth **CaptMurdock** : > > Strictly speaking, the Scarlet Witch does not have ‘Magic’ powers. Her powers are probability alteration. Some of the effects of her “hexes” are not always desirable, however. Could get interesting. And there is actually precedent for that already in the continuity. It was a throwaway line to appease physics nerds, but there’s a bit about some of Stark’s tech working by manipulating quantum tunneling, which would probably fall under the umbrella of probability alteration. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/55 "2012-05-09T18:36:45Z")
If you want to introduce Ultron, the movie continuity already contains one tech “genius” whose inventions routinely fail in spectacularly dangerous ways: Justin Hammer. You got to figure if that guy ever tried to replicate Jarvis, he’s pretty much guaranteed to end up with Ultron. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/56 "2012-05-09T18:45:14Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > If you want to introduce Ultron, the movie continuity already contains one tech “genius” whose inventions routinely fail in spectacularly dangerous ways: Justin Hammer. You got to figure if that guy ever tried to replicate Jarvis, he’s pretty much guaranteed to end up with Ultron. Nice call. I’d love to see Rockwell in a sequel. Supposedly he’s not in Iron Man 3. ---
**Author:** ![BetsQ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/fbc32d/32.png) [@BetsQ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BetsQ)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/57 "2012-05-09T19:07:29Z")
It seems to me that none of the characters suggested here are big enough names to appeal to mainstream audiences. I love comic book movies (but not comic books); I’ve seen all of the Marvel predecessors to The Avengers; I’ve seen The Avengers and I’m planning to go again this weekend. However, in reading this thread, I’ve had to Wikipedia Thanos, War Machine, and Black Panther. (In the mid-credits scene in The Avengers, I thought the baddie who is apparently this Thanos chap was the Hugo Weaving character from Captain America.) I haven’t even bothered looking up any of the alternative characters suggested in the OP’s poll. My point is, none of the characters ya’ll are mentioning is going to even be a familiar name to someone who doesn’t read comic books. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll go see Avengers 2 no matter who is in it (although a healthy dose of Chris Hemsworth is preferred), but none of these possibilities will be a draw for a mainstream crowd. A big part of the draw of a sequel is going to see characters you already know and like. I think it would be a mistake for the next movie to tinker with the cast too much. I do think that the next movie could expand on Cobie Smulders’s character. ---
**Author:** ![Alpha\_Twit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alpha_twit/32/265_2.png) [@Alpha\_Twit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alpha_Twit)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/58 "2012-05-09T19:12:20Z")
No really strong opinion about adding/subtracting/switching primary characters around but I would love to see a cameo of Bruce Campbell as Wonder Man. They would have to CGI some muscles on him to make it work but that smirk, that attitude, that CHIN - perfect! ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Il\_Palazzo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Lord\_Il\_Palazzo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Il_Palazzo)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/59 "2012-05-09T19:37:41Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Well, he’s not one of “Earth’s Mightiest” at all, except in so far as he’s chosen to identify with Earth. And in so far as he’s chosen to identify with any nation of Earth, it’s the US. But fine, even if we do count him (and Black Widow) as non-American, that’s still two-thirds of a team representing an entire planet that all comes from a single nation. I haven’t seen The Avengers yet, so I’m sorry if the movie addresses this in some way. If the team is asseembled by S.H.I.E.L.D. as the earlier movies imply, and S.H.I.E.L.D. is a U.S. government agency (as the Strategic Homeland Something or Other in Iron Man) does it not make sense that the team it assembled and probably administers to some extent is a mostly American outfit? As I haven’t seen the movie, I can’t say if any characters did or didn’t work, but just from a comic book nerd perspective, I’ve never liked the Hulk in super-teams. An uncontrollable force of destruction just doesn’t feel like he should be a team player. Hank Pym as Goliath/Giant Man or similar could fill the same big muscle role pretty well in addition to all his scientific know-how. ---
**Author:** ![DeptfordX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DeptfordX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeptfordX)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/60 "2012-05-09T19:39:39Z")
If you’re going to have Ultron and not bring Hank Pym into the mythos (which i think you shouldn’t) then surely Tony Stark should be the creator. After his recent experiances (manually piloting a nuke into a dimensional gateway) he decides that drone idea from Iron Man 2 to do the really dangerous stuff might not be a bad idea (and it’ll make Pepper happier). _“I just need to upgrade the AI a little so i don’t have to…Oops”_. Instant Ultron and it could still have Paul Bettanys voice. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353.md?page=4)