# Which Avengers should assemble in the sequel? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 9, 2012, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353 "2012-05-09T03:05:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/61 "2012-05-09T19:50:15Z")
> [@Alpha\_Twit](#): > > No really strong opinion about adding/subtracting/switching primary characters around but I would love to see a cameo of Bruce Campbell as Wonder Man. They would have to CGI some muscles on him to make it work but that smirk, that attitude, that CHIN - perfect! Now, that is an excellent idea! Brilliant casting! ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/62 "2012-05-09T19:54:10Z")
I can’t remember if he was ever an Avenger before but I would really like to see Dr. Strange added to the team. But only if they got the right actor. I’m not sure who that is, but I’m sure I would know who it isn’t. Doc Strange has always been one of my favorite Marvel superheroes. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/63 "2012-05-09T20:06:07Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > I can’t remember if he was ever an Avenger before As far as I know, he’s an Avenger right now! > [@](#): > > But only if they got the right actor. I’m not sure who that is, but I’m sure I would know who it isn’t. Oded Fehr? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/64 "2012-05-09T20:08:27Z")
**BetsQ** , Hawkeye and Black Widow were likewise obscure character, and it didn’t stop them from being in this movie. You’re right, of course, that the core cast should stay mostly the same, but there’s still room to add one or two new, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/65 "2012-05-09T20:09:47Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Oded Fehr? Ooh, him I could see for sure. Is he the one? I haven’t been following the casting or the movie at all, really. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/66 "2012-05-09T20:12:12Z")
No votes for Batman? Yeah, yeah, I know… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/67 "2012-05-09T20:36:34Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > Ooh, him I could see for sure. Is he the one? I haven’t been following the casting or the movie at all, really. I don’t think the powers that be have said anything about the actor or the character; I just couldn’t resist replying to your post with a bit of conjecture. ---
**Author:** ![GreedySmurf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a698b9/32.png) [@GreedySmurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreedySmurf)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/68 "2012-05-09T23:26:16Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And there is actually precedent for that already in the continuity. It was a throwaway line to appease physics nerds, but there’s a bit about some of Stark’s tech working by manipulating quantum tunneling, which would probably fall under the umbrella of probability alteration. Do you recall when that was said? I must of missed it and would like to listen out when I see the movie again. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/69 "2012-05-09T23:43:01Z")
It’s shortly after Stark and Banner have met, in response to the bit about needing to heat the Cube up to a hundred million degrees, or whatever it was. I don’t recall the exact line. ---
**Author:** ![Gagundathar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gagundathar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gagundathar)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/70 "2012-05-09T23:53:18Z")
> [@shy\_guy](#): > > The first Avengers lineup change occurred when they swapped out the Hulk for Captain America in Avengers #4. By Avengers #16, no members who had appeared in Avengers #1 were still a part of the team. > > Considering that every Marvel story happens on a ten-year sliding time line (e.g., the Fantastic Four formed in 2002, not 1961), that means the original lineup barely worked together for any time at all. Thank you for that insight. I had not realized that “\*\*y Avengers #16, no members who had appeared in Avengers #1 were still a part of the team.” That is rather amazing when you come to think about it. How long in MU time do you imagine that was? 4 weeks? 6 weeks? ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/71 "2012-05-10T00:39:20Z")
I think, for the second movie at least, they should keep the same 6. This movie was definitely just a “gathering” of the first heroes and there’s plenty of stories to tell of interpersonal problems between the same heroes. If they really need to leave someone out, I think Hulk and Thor make the most sense. They’re the ones who often get left out of Avengers stories (largely due to their power levels being far higher than the others’) and there are plenty of “bruiser” characters who could take their place (Luke Cage, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, etc). This got me thinking though… I know there’s no way to do it with the rights being held by other movie studios, but assuming they save Thanos for the third movie, they could have the second one’s after credits teaser with Nick Fury finding out about the threat, and finding some new superheroes to add to his roster… and having guys like Spider-Man or Wolverine appear. (Even if they weren’t going to be in the third, kinda like War Machine in this one). I wonder if they could do that - just have Hugh Jackman show up and not identify him by name/outfit? (Like X-Men: First Class?) Would be a field day for the lawyers at least… ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/72 "2012-05-10T01:58:27Z")
Speaking as someone who does not follow the comic books, I can not _imagine_ She-Hulk not getting laughed off the screen by mainstream audiences. I don’t know how awesome she may or may not be in the comic books, but beyond core comic book fans I can only imagine audiences deriding her as ridiculous before the movie even has a chance to present a case for her. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/73 "2012-05-10T02:22:52Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > Speaking as someone who does not follow the comic books, I can not _imagine_ She-Hulk not getting laughed off the screen by mainstream audiences. > > I don’t know how awesome she may or may not be in the comic books, but beyond core comic book fans I can only imagine audiences deriding her as ridiculous before the movie even has a chance to present a case for her. Yeah, most of her comics aren’t played straight either. She’s known for breaking the fourth wall. I wouldn’t want her in a sequel. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/74 "2012-05-10T02:28:19Z")
You really think ‘hot woman with superstrength and a sense of humour’ will get laughed off the screen? It’s actually kind of depressing to think that might be true. But it’s absolutely shocking Whedon didn’t put her in in the first place - she’s got all his primary character keys - she’s female, she’s witty, she kicks ass and takes names (unlike her cousin who kicks ass and can hardly say his own name), and she’s gorgeous. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/75 "2012-05-10T02:35:35Z")
> [@Tengu](#): > > You really think ‘hot woman with superstrength and a sense of humour’ will get laughed off the screen? I said “as someone who does not follow the comic books”. I and everyone like me hears “She-Hulk” and thinks “Oh, a female version of The Hulk”. (Gee, wonder why we would think that.) More than enough to prejudice us before any hypothetical future movie gets a chance to present a case in her favor. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/76 "2012-05-10T02:47:11Z")
You have to remember that this movie isn’t for comic geeks, it’s for the general public. If the character isn’t a part of the zeitgeist, it isn’t likely to appear except in a supporting role. So She-Hulk is a non-starter. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/77 "2012-05-10T02:47:51Z")
Except, of course, for the fact that the movie is called ‘Avengers’, not ‘She-Hulk’, so the first exposure to her will be her doing stuff. Like talking at an adult level, not ‘Hulk Smash puny humans’, therefore in one line making herself 1000% more believable as a hero than her cousin. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/78 "2012-05-10T02:49:23Z")
To expound upon my above post . . . As someone who doesn’t follow comic books, whenever I hear of a character that is the female version or boy version of a popularly established character my eyes nearly roll right out of my head. Superman is super famous so someone says . . . hey, why not Super_girl_??? Create a new character, lazy jerks. At least give the new character her own name. Another Kryptonian with the same powers as Superman (and I do not even know if that’s what Supergirl is)? Sure, I could accept that as a new character. But you kill it as soon as you name the character Supergirl. I am told by some comics fans that Superboy is actually a really cool character in certain continuities but I just hear “Superboy” and I sigh. Growing up with the 60s Batman T.V. show I was influenced at a young age to accept Batgirl, but in all fairness she’s no better than the rest. If suspension of disbelief allows that a certain character got his powers one way then it follows that another character could have gone through the same experience resulting in similar powers but when you won’t so much as give that character an original name it just comes off as lazy and totally lame. She got juiced on gamma radiation like the Hulk! We’ll call her She-Hulk!!! C’mon. Lieutenant colonel James Rhodes becomes War Machine. He doesn’t become “Iron Black Man”. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/79 "2012-05-10T04:04:49Z")
I think the CG’s going to be the main factor working against She-Hulk. I have no problems with her, but the Hulk is essentially a giant beast that’s completely CG and just exists to smash things. He doesn’t talk much, doesn’t have to emote much, and audiences like that. She-Hulk as CG is going to be weird. Instead of a human actor, we’re going to have to get used to empathizing with a completely CG thing. It’ll just be too uncanny valley for me A worse decision would be to have her be played by a big female bodybuilder. First, I don’t know any who can act. Second, no matter how big she is, she’ll look laughably puny next to CG Hulk. And last, and this is kind of petty, most guys in the audience will probably be turned off by a giant female bodybuilder ---
**Author:** ![Top\_Hat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b487fb/32.png) [@Top\_Hat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Top_Hat)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/80 "2012-05-10T04:09:30Z")
It’s too bad the impression of She-Hulk is “basically a female version of Hulk” because she is a great character in her own right but I can understand the thinking there if you haven’t read the original stories. Coulson as the Vision would be a fitting move. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353.md?page=5)