# Which Avengers should assemble in the sequel? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 9, 2012, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353 "2012-05-09T03:05:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/101 "2012-05-15T05:43:38Z")
> [@GreedySmurf](#): > > Black Panther would be interesting though. Would American audiences see him as the token black man though? Not when they’ve already got Samuel L. Jackson playing Col. Nick Fury (who was always white in the comic books). ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/102 "2012-05-15T05:46:30Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > [All of them](http://api.ning.com/files/rCB7xJnWu8J7*Rneq5K9RisGiPmMgfoR6YFsIxkBJ2Fw8LcjTXLMs7dEZmlnJSNx/WhatIfEveryoneWhodEverBeenAnAvengerHadRemainedAnAvenger.jpg). > > 😉 I’m pretty sure I still **have** that Assistant Editor’s Month issue! (I tried to snap up **all** the Assistant Editor’s Month issues!) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/103 "2012-05-15T05:47:45Z")
I voted for Ant-Man just because I haven’t seen him on the big screen yet, ever. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/104 "2012-05-15T05:50:36Z")
> [@shy\_guy](#): > > I’d take Ant-Man and Wasp off the table for the time being, since an Ant-Man movie is in development. Well, then, there’s your character-establishing prequel for Ant-Ma in A2! If it’s released before A2, that is. In fact, that might be the plan. ---
**Author:** ![Mann\_Slaughter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@Mann\_Slaughter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mann_Slaughter)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/105 "2012-05-15T05:53:09Z")
In regards to the poll: I’d LOVE to see The Vision. As a child of the 70’s-80’s he was always one of my favorite Avengers. We all know that Hulk isn’t a team player since he quit early in the initial run of the original comic, and his film persona hasn’t lead me to believe he’d be any better with a team today, so I say we can drop him. Bring on Vision, Giant Man, and Wasp. I’d like to see the abusive Giant Man from “The Ultimates” line of comics, to show that ‘heroes aren’t always so heroic’, and can actually be assholes at times. The scene in the comic where Jan shrinks down and flies under the desk to escape Hank’s abuse, and he commands his ants to attack her ultimately hospitalizing her is classic. Followed by Cap tracking Pym to a dive bar and utilizing his superior skills as a soldier/strategist to break Giant Man’s jaw. Jeez… I drool just thinking of seeing that scene on film. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/106 "2012-05-15T05:54:20Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > With Thanos, there will likely be too much of his backstory to overcome, so no need to squeeze another hero into the mix. IIRC, Thanos’ archnemesis was always Adam Warlock – and **he** would need a heaping peck 'o backstory. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/107 "2012-05-15T05:56:16Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Well, he’s not one of “Earth’s Mightiest” at all, except in so far as he’s chosen to identify with Earth. And in so far as he’s chosen to identify with any nation of Earth, it’s the US. But fine, even if we do count him (and Black Widow) as non-American, that’s still two-thirds of a team representing an entire planet that all comes from a single nation. But, Avengers Initiative is a SHIELD project, and SHIELD is a U.S. Govt. agency. (Isn’t it? Who are this “Council”? Whoever they are, they ain’t the Joint Chiefs.) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/108 "2012-05-15T06:05:34Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The Black Widow was well known to the general public? :dubious::dubious: Does anybody even remember, any more, that in the comix, BW used to be **Daredevil’s** GF? They could do something with that . . . does Marvel still own the film-rights to Daredevil? ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/109 "2012-05-15T08:09:47Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > A She-Hulk movie, done properly, would be a silly comedy. Again, we’re not talking about a She-Hulk movie, but an Avengers movie - the prototype wouldn’t be Byrne’s blatant 4th wall breaking, or even Slott’s heavy leaning on it. The prototypes would be her actual appearances in Avengers, or her other appearances outside of books she’s headlining. There’s humour in all of them, yes, but it’s mostly either in line with the general tone of comics at the time (80s Avengers), or just Jennifer being a smartalec. It would be totally in line with the Iron Man movies, if not any of the other Avengers precursors (still not seen), for Jenn to be commenting on the madness going on around her, even while throwing cars at the bad guys. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/110 "2012-05-15T16:18:17Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **Mann Slaughter** : > > I’d like to see the abusive Giant Man from “The Ultimates” line of comics, to show that ‘heroes aren’t always so heroic’, and can actually be assholes at times. Don’t we already have Stark filling that niche, though? OK, he doesn’t have any domestic violence under his belt, but he’s still a grade A jerk. And besides, asking the audience to identify with a wife-beater might be a bit much, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/111 "2012-05-15T16:59:22Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Does anybody even remember, any more, that in the comix, BW used to be **Daredevil’s** GF? They could do something with that . . . does Marvel still own the film-rights to Daredevil? Oh, I remember that! Black Widow was involved with Daredevil way back in the early 1970s, when I first started collecting comic books. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/112 "2012-05-15T17:17:40Z")
> [@Mann\_Slaughter](#): > > Bring on Vision, Giant Man, and Wasp. I’d like to see the abusive Giant Man from “The Ultimates” line of comics, to show that ‘heroes aren’t always so heroic’, and can actually be assholes at times. Hey, _Watchmen_ has already been **done!** ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/113 "2012-05-15T20:00:03Z")
> [@Mann\_Slaughter](#): > > I’d like to see the abusive Giant Man from “The Ultimates” line of comics, to show that ‘heroes aren’t always so heroic’, and can actually be assholes at times. Not to get off topic but that was my problem with the whole Ultimates line (save for Spiderman). It was essentially-- “What If…ALL heroes were assholes?” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/114 "2012-05-15T20:32:59Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > But, Avengers Initiative is a SHIELD project, and SHIELD is a U.S. Govt. agency. (Isn’t it? Who are this “Council”? Whoever they are, they ain’t the Joint Chiefs.) Definitely not, which is why DOD didn’t assist in the making of the film: [http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/05/avengers-military/](http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/05/avengers-military/) ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/115 "2012-05-15T21:25:00Z")
One of the members of the Security Council was [Powers Boother](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000959/). you don’t mess with Cy Tolliver. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/116 "2012-05-15T22:27:46Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Hey, _Watchmen_ has already been **done!** Not just done, but done to death. It’s got to the point that a superhero who’s genuinely kind and helpful is as much of an inversion of the genre as was _Watchman_ when it first came out. I’d like a return to superheroes being a reflection of our better natures, not our basest desires. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/117 "2012-05-15T22:32:18Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Not just done, but done to death. It’s got to the point that a superhero who’s genuinely kind and helpful is as much of an inversion of the genre as was _Watchman_ when it first came out. I’d like a return to superheroes being a reflection of our better natures, not our basest desires. Hey, that would be a welcome change! ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/118 "2012-05-15T22:35:35Z")
Yeah, I’m not one to shy away from tragedies or moral ambiguity, but I’m tired of the '90s where every hero suddenly had to become The Punisher. Flaws are fine, even some moral ambiguity is okay (and probably necessary, I’m not asking for Mary Sues), it’s just I don’t think everything has to be so damn artsy. Sometimes I just want a story where guys hit each other while trying to close magical portals to the nether (which were probably created by Tachyons… somehow). That said, I could go for a WELL DONE Spiderman Symbiote-arc movie. That at least allows us to fulfill the need to have an asshole hero without, well, actually having an asshole hero. ETA: And while Nolan’s Batman isn’t really a bad person, I do like that the Marvel Movies sort of act as a counterpoint to The Dark Knight trilogy in that they’re more lighthearted fun to counteract the angst of Batman. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/119 "2012-05-15T22:51:53Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Not just done, but done to death. It’s got to the point that a superhero who’s genuinely kind and helpful is as much of an inversion of the genre as was _Watchman_ when it first came out. I’d like a return to superheroes being a reflection of our better natures, not our basest desires. Well, that’s Spider-Man, most of the time. But, even in his case, they can’t seem to make a movie without Peter Parker being an asshole or a failure or a crippled neurotic in some way, and, what’s more, that being an essential plot point. Guys, they’re comic-book characters and plots. “Character development” should really be a secondary consideration. And should not be repeated, on the same character, film after film. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/120 "2012-05-16T01:46:11Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > And while Nolan’s Batman isn’t really a bad person, I do like that the Marvel Movies sort of act as a counterpoint to The Dark Knight trilogy in that they’re more lighthearted fun to counteract the angst of Batman. It’s a bit amusing that Batman is a scary growler decked out in black, intimidating folks by doing his best to hide his code against killing – while Captain America is all bright colors and nice-guy politeness, dealing out grim _ **death** _ in his spangly outfit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353.md?page=7)