# Which Avengers should assemble in the sequel? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 9, 2012, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353 "2012-05-09T03:05:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/121 "2012-05-16T01:57:58Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > It’s a bit amusing that Batman is a scary growler decked out in black, intimidating folks by doing his best to hide his code against killing – while Captain America is all bright colors and nice-guy politeness, dealing out grim _ **death** _ in his spangly outfit. To quasi-Nazis and cyborg aliens. I don’t think he’ll be snapping bank robbers’ necks. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/122 "2012-05-16T02:57:41Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > To quasi-Nazis and cyborg aliens. I don’t think he’ll be snapping bank robbers’ necks. Well, sure, but as I understand it, Batman wouldn’t even kill quasi-Nazis – or genuine Nazis! – or cyborg aliens, but he bases his schtick around making even bank robbers cringe like a superstitious and cowardly lot facing imminent lethal force from a guy dressed like some kind of terrifying vampire; by contrast, Cap is dressed for a cheery stage performance alongside dancing girls despite unhesitatingly killing folks – and while I agree it’s unlikely that Cap would decide to off a mundane crook, I’d say he’s actually a more likely candidate than the dark vigilante trying really really _ **really** _ hard to look like he’d do it. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/123 "2012-05-16T11:30:33Z")
Paranex, The Fighting Fetus. ---
**Author:** ![holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e95f7d/32.png) [@holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/holmes)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/124 "2012-05-16T14:58:58Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Well, sure, but as I understand it, Batman wouldn’t even kill quasi-Nazis – or genuine Nazis! – or cyborg aliens, but he bases his schtick around making even bank robbers cringe like a superstitious and cowardly lot facing imminent lethal force from a guy dressed like some kind of terrifying vampire; by contrast, Cap is dressed for a cheery stage performance alongside dancing girls despite unhesitatingly killing folks – and while I agree it’s unlikely that Cap would decide to off a mundane crook, I’d say he’s actually a more likely candidate than the dark vigilante trying really really _ **really** _ hard to look like he’d do it. I think the theory is Batman will beat you so badly, you wish he just killed you. I know in one of the issues, Batman breaks the hip of a robber and someone mentions that he just crippled the guy…to which Batman coldly states something like, “He’s still young, he’ll heal…probably.” ---
**Author:** ![holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e95f7d/32.png) [@holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/holmes)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/125 "2012-05-16T15:02:10Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > IIRC, Thanos’ archnemesis was always Adam Warlock – and **he** would need a heaping peck 'o backstory. Captain Mar-Vell was also big Thanos nemesis, I think even more so than Warlock. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/126 "2012-05-16T23:53:44Z")
> [@holmes](#): > > Captain Mar-Vell was also big Thanos nemesis, I think even more so than Warlock. But, to backstory that, they’d need to introduce the Kree and the Skrulls and everything else . . . ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/127 "2012-05-17T00:14:29Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Well, that’s Spider-Man, most of the time. > > But, even in his case, they can’t seem to make a movie without Peter Parker being an asshole or a failure or a crippled neurotic in some way, and, what’s more, that being an essential plot point. > > Guys, they’re comic-book characters and plots. “Character development” should really be a secondary consideration. And should not be repeated, on the same character, film after film. While I, too, am so done with the _Watchmen_-esque eternally dark angsty angst, Spider-Man without the sucky personal life would be like McDonalds without hamburgers. Stan Lee, in creating the character, basically said: I’m creating a super-schnook. A guy whose superpowers don’t solve his personal problems (_a la_ so many Golden Age superheroes) but just added to them. He can beat Dr. Octopus but he can’t keep his date with Mary Jane. He can save people from collapsing buildings but everybody at school thinks he’s a loser. _That’s_ Spider-Man. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/128 "2012-05-17T03:01:37Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > While I, too, am so done with the _Watchmen_-esque eternally dark angsty angst, Spider-Man without the sucky personal life would be like McDonalds without hamburgers. … He can save people from collapsing buildings but everybody at school thinks he’s a loser. _That’s_ Spider-Man. The new reboot, from the ads I’ve seen, certainly seems to be continuing that tradition. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/129 "2012-05-17T13:13:23Z")
I have a Marvel\Disney shirt…and the three women they chose for the shirt are Sue Storm, Marvel Girl and Scarlett Witch. Since marvel girl and sue storm are primarily identified with other teams, my money would be on the Scarlett witch. I think they may add another character and I think it’s likely to be female. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/130 "2012-05-17T13:32:33Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > But, to backstory that, they’d need to introduce the Kree and the Skrulls and everything else . . . [aside]In the DisneyXD Avengers series (which is pretty good), they’ve introduced Mahr-Vell before he got his powers, Ms. Marvel with powers, Warlock (as part of the Guardians of the Galaxy with no backstory, but with soul gem), the Kree, and the Skrull. Also Simon Williams and Ultron. They’ve done a good job with Hank Pym as the guy who was a hero just for Janet Van Dyne, not because he really wanted to be one. On the down side, they’ve made T’challa into a near-super just like DC/Warner did with Hawkgirl in the Justice League series. [/aside] ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/131 "2012-05-17T13:37:06Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Well, sure, but as I understand it, Batman wouldn’t even kill quasi-Nazis – or genuine Nazis! – or cyborg aliens, but he bases his schtick around making even bank robbers cringe like a superstitious and cowardly lot facing imminent lethal force from a guy dressed like some kind of terrifying vampire; by contrast, Cap is dressed for a cheery stage performance alongside dancing girls despite unhesitatingly killing folks – and while I agree it’s unlikely that Cap would decide to off a mundane crook, I’d say he’s actually a more likely candidate than the dark vigilante trying really really _ **really** _ hard to look like he’d do it. The difference is, IMHO, that Cap is a soldier and kills because that’s what soldiers do, whereas Batman is a nutcase who really, really \*wants \*to kill people and has to physically restrain himself from doing so. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/132 "2012-05-19T03:13:29Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > It’s a bit amusing that Batman is a scary growler decked out in black, intimidating folks by doing his best to hide his code against killing – while Captain America is all bright colors and nice-guy politeness, dealing out grim _ **death** _ in his spangly outfit. Well, that’s the difference between a cop (private vigilante, but a cop at heart) and a soldier. Historically, many people have been killed by men in bright, cheery red coats and spotless white trousers. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/133 "2012-05-19T16:51:53Z")
I don’t follow comics, but I do think a female brick would be good to replace the Hulk. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/134 "2012-05-19T19:06:44Z")
Hulk’s way to much of a fan favorite to be written out. It’d be like an Ocean’s sequel without Pitt or Damon. It’d fit the comics but not the reality of a general audience’s expectations. ---
**Author:** ![Dan\_Norder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4af34b/32.png) [@Dan\_Norder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dan_Norder)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/135 "2012-05-21T00:54:02Z")
> [@GreedySmurf](#): > > Black Panther would be interesting though. Would American audiences see him as the token black man though? With Fury in charge of SHIELD and Rhodey as War Machine I think they’ve gotten demonstrated that would not be an issue. Honestly, Black Panther would have to worry more about being thought of as the male Black Widow, since their names, abilities and costume designs are similar. Now if they used the Falcon he probably would be seen as the useless guy who is only there because he is black. Hell, the character himself even thought of himself that way when he was made an Avenger in the comics. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/136 "2012-05-21T08:38:58Z")
Somehow I missed Ms. Marvel when I was voting. I actually have thought she would be neat to add in a movie series (albeit revamped a bit). But I was thinking of the other female “Captain Marvel”–the one who could turn into light. Hulk is probably going to wander off at some point. “People hate Hulk!” ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/137 "2012-05-21T08:42:15Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > I don’t follow comics, but I do think a female brick would be good to replace the Hulk. Even at Marvel, there are some cool female bricks. Some of them even fly. If they bring in the Kree (humanoid aliens with SCIENCE!), you could get someone like Ms. Marvel or Ultragirl. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353/138 "2012-05-21T09:19:35Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > But I was thinking of the other female “Captain Marvel”–the one who could turn into light. [Monica Rambeau](http://marvel.wikia.com/Monica_Rambeau_(Earth-616)), who, if that wiki is up to date, is currently going by Pulsar. She’d be pretty cool, indeed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-avengers-should-assemble-in-the-sequel/621353.md?page=6)