# Which comic superheros, superheroines or villains could plausibly go gay? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 12, 2003, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-comic-superheros-superheroines-or-villains-could-plausibly-go-gay/187970 "2003-07-12T14:48:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Nichol\_storm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Nichol\_storm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nichol_storm)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-comic-superheros-superheroines-or-villains-could-plausibly-go-gay/187970/41 "2003-07-13T19:58:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kira \* > \*\*Hello, all, > > Was it the intentions of the writers of these superheros to be gay? Is not this interpretation of their orientations a rather mondern concepet? I bet long ago writers did not intend nor dare to have a super hero gay. > > Kira \*\* Northstar was always intended to be gay – his creator, John Byrne, was dropping hints (and none too subtle at that) since his first appearance. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-comic-superheros-superheroines-or-villains-could-plausibly-go-gay/187970/42 "2003-07-13T20:43:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lumpy \* > \*\*Back awhile in the Teen Titans, didn’t Starfire and Wonder Girl (Donna Troy) have a weekend together where it was hinted that “love” was among the recreational activities? \*\* No they didn’t. Although on at least two occasions the retconned Wonder **Woman** mentioned that Amazons had sex with each other (“Why do you think we call it Paradsie Island?”) and at least one long-term Amazon couple has been shown. ---
**Author:** ![king\_of\_spain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7cd45c/32.png) [@king\_of\_spain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/king_of_spain)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-comic-superheros-superheroines-or-villains-could-plausibly-go-gay/187970/43 "2003-07-14T02:03:02Z")
[Bobby Drake](http://alykat.hispeed.com/unfrozen/biography/bobbygay.htm) (Iceman). ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-comic-superheros-superheroines-or-villains-could-plausibly-go-gay/187970/44 "2003-07-14T04:58:48Z")
Batman and Robin. It’s pretty obvious, really. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-comic-superheros-superheroines-or-villains-could-plausibly-go-gay/187970/45 "2003-07-14T11:38:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Otto \* > Although on at least two occasions the retconned Wonder **Woman** mentioned that Amazons had sex with each other (“Why do you think we call it Paradsie Island?”) and at least one long-term Amazon couple has been shown. Suffering Sappho! ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-comic-superheros-superheroines-or-villains-could-plausibly-go-gay/187970/46 "2003-07-14T11:51:22Z")
On the list linked to above, why is Beast mentioned as “Ambiguous sexuality”? I guess that any well-educated, soft-spoken guy is automatically gay or something :rolleyes: Or is this just wishfull thinking by the fur-suit crowd? ---
**Author:** ![FlyingDragonFan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c89c15/32.png) [@FlyingDragonFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingDragonFan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-comic-superheros-superheroines-or-villains-could-plausibly-go-gay/187970/47 "2003-07-14T13:30:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diceman \* > On the list linked to above, why is Beast mentioned as “Ambiguous sexuality”? In a fairly recent issue of _New X-Men_ Beast was stood up by his current sorta girlfriend, Trish Trilby (is that her name?). As a sort of reaction to that, he began telling the press that he was gay. In his private discussions with his teammates, he said he was just doing it to provoke some extra controversy, as if being a mutant wasn’t enough. It’s pretty clear from his dialogue that he does not consider himself gay, so that website list might be a little misleading, but he has been a little misleading about it himself. ---
**Author:** ![Mars\_Horizon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mars_horizon/32/2804_2.png) [@Mars\_Horizon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mars_Horizon)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-comic-superheros-superheroines-or-villains-could-plausibly-go-gay/187970/48 "2003-07-14T14:03:50Z")
**Captain Astro**. OK, OK - he’s already gay 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-comic-superheros-superheroines-or-villains-could-plausibly-go-gay/187970/49 "2003-07-14T15:10:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by FlyingDragonFan \* > \*\*In a fairly recent issue of _New X-Men_ Beast was stood up by his current sorta girlfriend, Trish Trilby (is that her name?). As a sort of reaction to that, he began telling the press that he was gay. In his private discussions with his teammates, he said he was just doing it to provoke some extra controversy, as if being a mutant wasn’t enough. It’s pretty clear from his dialogue that he does not consider himself gay, so that website list might be a little misleading, but he has been a little misleading about it himself. \*\* It’s very unclear whether he considers himself gay. Part of the story line is that he recently underwent a “secondary mutation” causing him to change from his familiar simian form to something more leonine. His girlfrend, a prominent newscaster, nearly lost her career when gossip columns kept using the word “bestiality” in descriptions of the relationship. One of the defining traits of a new species is that it can no longer mate with the old species, and this is what’s happening to Hank McCoy. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-comic-superheros-superheroines-or-villains-could-plausibly-go-gay/187970/50 "2003-07-14T16:32:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ranchoth \* > \*\*Well, if it’s any help, the character **Sunfire** from Marvel’s “Exiles” is a lesbian, even according to Marvel’s official companion-literature. > \ > At which point another teammate (Morph?) chimed in with; “Yeah…maybe she was even straight!” > > It seemed a clear-enough statement. > \*\* Not as clear as her officially coming out to Morph a few issues before that. 🙂 He was trying to hook up with her, and she had to sit him down and explain why it wasn’t gonna happen. So, yes, she’s confirmed. (At least the Exiles version of her). **El Elvis Rojo** mentioned Colossus… Hate to break it to you, but if he comes out now, it’ll be post-humously. He died to cure the Legacy virus. Recent Uncanny X-men has had Northstar with a crush on Ice-man. For a while it looked like they were setting up Ice-man to be in denial, and for Northstar to help him face it. But now Bobby was kissing Annie, the mutant-phobic nurse in the latest issue, so maybe not… ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-comic-superheros-superheroines-or-villains-could-plausibly-go-gay/187970/51 "2003-07-14T16:43:19Z")
Ah, I see. I haven’t followed the comics recently, so I didn’t hear about that little incident. Apologies if I offended anybody, but I kind of identify with Beast personality-wise, and I’ve had my share of abuse from the ultra-macho guys, so I guess I’m kinda sensitive to it. Still, it sounds like he’s not really gay. Perhaps he’s no longer sexually attracted to humans. * * * I’d to make a minor hijack, and ask a couple of X-men questions that I don’t think deserve their own threads: Has it ever been revealed what Rouge’s real name is? Mystique is nightcrawler’s mother, right? On the X-men animated series, she was also the mother of that guy who founded Friends Of Humanity. Sabertooth was the guy’s father. Is this true in the comics, too? If so, is Whatshisname a mutant-in-denial? ---
**Author:** ![Ura-Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/51bf81/32.png) [@Ura-Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ura-Maru)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2003, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-comic-superheros-superheroines-or-villains-could-plausibly-go-gay/187970/52 "2003-07-14T20:59:30Z")
If I remember correctly, the Northstar thing did have one fairly amusing bit of fallout. That year’s issue of the Marvel Year in Review (a surprisingly mean-spirited but funny self parody that turned into shameless self-promotion after the first three years) printed the reactions of several characters, (Cap and USAgent, and a couple of others) on the relavation about his, ah, ‘gray hair.’ Cap’s went something like: ‘I feel that any citizen should have the right to pursue happiness without being . . .’ ‘So, you approve of his being open about his gray hair?’ ‘Of course I approve – His what? You mean this isn’t about . . .’ ‘Thank you, Mr. Rogers.’ Wonder where I put those? Wasn’t one of the crappier X-Men villain’s bi? I can’t remember his name, though. The Japanese guy (well, half, I guess) who was Sabastian Shaw’s son? (Shinobi Shaw, maybe?) At one point one of his underlings asked him weither he’d ‘like the snails, or the oysters tonight?’ The response? ‘Supper first, I think.’ They weren’t spandexers, but **Nomad** had a few briefly appearing gay characters. I remember being surprised that they came right out and said it. Around ‘91 or so, might have been the first appearance in a Marvel comic. And really, one has to wonder about a bodybuilder who wears a leather hood, no shirt, leather pants, carries a giant pole, and calls himself ‘Zaran the Weapons Master.’ 🙂 (Hey. It was the 70s) – ‘I DID NOT PLAY A HOMO IN BEN-HUR!!’ ---
**Author:** ![Nichol\_storm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Nichol\_storm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nichol_storm)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2003, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-comic-superheros-superheroines-or-villains-could-plausibly-go-gay/187970/53 "2003-07-30T02:00:47Z")
**Diceman** : Rogue’s real name has never been revealed in the comics. In the movie, her name was Marie, and I think that’s as close to the truth as we’ll ever get. Graydon Creed was the son of Mystique and Sabretooth. He was a normal human who grew to hate mutants despite being the child of two mutants. He was eventually… … assassinated by his mother when he ran for President on an anti-mutants platform. Nightcrawler was Graydon’s half-brother; Mystique was the mother of both. Nightcrawler’s biological father has only recently been revealed, and he is… … Azazel, who is apparently some sort of demon. Oh, and he and Mystique conceived Nightcrawler in a church. Yeah, too much information. I wonder what it is about the shapeshifting muties. Putting aside Courier and Gambit’s passionate smooch, not only were Mystique and Destiny lovers, but there were some hints about AoA Morph as well (most notably a scene where he whines to Quicksilver that “you never made me breakfast in bed”). ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2003, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-comic-superheros-superheroines-or-villains-could-plausibly-go-gay/187970/54 "2003-07-30T03:47:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Krokodil \* > \*\*One of the defining traits of a new species is that it can no longer mate with the old species, and this is what’s happening to Hank McCoy. \*\* No, one of the defining traits of a new species is that it can no longer REPRODUCE successfully with the old species. They could still have sex, and since Hank’s mind is still that of a humanoid, he would still find her attractive. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2003, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-comic-superheros-superheroines-or-villains-could-plausibly-go-gay/187970/55 "2003-07-30T05:33:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dewey Cheatem Undhow \* > \*\*Robert Smigel’s _Ambiguously Gay Duo_. > C’mon, someone had to say it… \*\* Ace and Gary?!?!? Naw! I don’t see it. They’re just SuperPals! “What are you looing at?” “NOTHING!!!” ---
**Author:** ![And\_that\_s\_the\_bottom\_line](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df788c/32.png) [@And\_that\_s\_the\_bottom\_line](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/And_that_s_the_bottom_line)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2003, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-comic-superheros-superheroines-or-villains-could-plausibly-go-gay/187970/56 "2003-07-30T05:37:47Z")
I’ll also nominate **Batman and Robin**. ---
**Author:** ![MusicJunkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df788c/32.png) [@MusicJunkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MusicJunkie)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2003, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-comic-superheros-superheroines-or-villains-could-plausibly-go-gay/187970/57 "2003-07-31T06:47:55Z")
Captain America. When has he ever had a stable relationship with a female? Can’t you just picture him going around discovering gay America? ---
**Author:** ![Miaz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@Miaz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miaz)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-comic-superheros-superheroines-or-villains-could-plausibly-go-gay/187970/58 "2003-08-01T03:39:58Z")
Northstar is still gay. In Uncanny X-Men the poor guy has swooned for Iceman withut it being reciprocated. Also, in New X-Men Ms. Frost pretty much stated McCoy had never had a homosexual thought in his life, exposing Hank’s flight of fancy statement. Doesn’t mean that couldn’t change anytime soon. ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-comic-superheros-superheroines-or-villains-could-plausibly-go-gay/187970/59 "2003-08-01T03:49:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MusicJunkie \* > \*\*Captain America. When has he ever had a stable relationship with a female? Can’t you just picture him going around discovering gay America? \*\* He’s had stable relationships with Sharon Carter, Sharon’s older sister Peggy, Bernadette Rosenthal and Diamondback. Of course, he’s had stabler relationships with Bucky Barnes and Sam Wilson; make of it what you will. ---
**Author:** ![MusicJunkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df788c/32.png) [@MusicJunkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MusicJunkie)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-comic-superheros-superheroines-or-villains-could-plausibly-go-gay/187970/60 "2003-08-01T05:27:27Z")
See! Cap is obviously bi. It’s just that Marvel doesn’t have the guts to expose him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-comic-superheros-superheroines-or-villains-could-plausibly-go-gay/187970.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-comic-superheros-superheroines-or-villains-could-plausibly-go-gay/187970.md?page=4)